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  1. #106
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    Check these out and tell me what you all think:::


    http://www.doenetwork.org/

    Go here and check on these for possible matches


    Check out this 20UFNJ file

    Does she look a LOT like Rachel Trlica


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    You know something, if the teenagers were planning on running away and the little girl went with them, perhaps they sent the 9 year old home with someone they knew and trusted, and than she never made it there? Like maybe the person they sent her home with was some sicko who tried something and went too far?


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    sorry the file I gave you will not bring it up. So let's do it this way. Go to the link I gave for the doe network. Than go to index to unidentified victims. Once it comes up, go to unidentified victims chronological index. Scroll down by years and find 1988, (this year is NOT when the person died, but rather when a body was found). Go down to Jane Doe's. Click on 20UFNJ from there.


    Here is the profile of the girl and photos. I will post the profile.

    Unidentified White Female

    Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
    The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years.
    The victim was estimated to have died sometime around 1970 - 1975

    Vital Statistics


    Estimated age: 15 - 20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'4"; 100 - 120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Hair and eye color are both undetermined.
    Dentals: Available. Decedant had signifigant tooth decay. Gap in the upper central incisors.
    Clothing: She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks. Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.
    DNA: Available in Codis

    Case History
    This victim was discovered off lower Bayside Drive in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey as a parcel of land was cleared along Sandy Hook Bay.


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    I think they look alot alike. She has a distinct mouth and so does the doe.
    Where's Logan Tucker?


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    Hi Laura_Bean - there are similarities between the picture of Rachel and the drawing of the UF but here's what snagged me... in info for Rachel it mentions a chipped upper front tooth that is not mentioned in the UF's dental description. I do think you hit a good find tho because the time frame this NJ woman would have been from kind of fits. (the description of her platform shoes threw me back to the 70's instantly.) NJ is a long way from TX tho but that's a logical thought and logic often does have a place when chaos is ruling, huh.

    For future readers, here's a direct link to the UFNJ case page: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html

    ETA: It just dawned on me, thinking of the clothing/shoe description for the NJ case, I don't recall reading any descriptions anywhere (here or missingtrio.com) with regard to what any of the three Fort Worth girls were wearing (clothes/shoes or jewelry). Have I missed that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laura_Bean View Post
    sorry the file I gave you will not bring it up. So let's do it this way. Go to the link I gave for the doe network. Than go to index to unidentified victims. Once it comes up, go to unidentified victims chronological index. Scroll down by years and find 1988, (this year is NOT when the person died, but rather when a body was found). Go down to Jane Doe's. Click on 20UFNJ from there.


    Here is the profile of the girl and photos. I will post the profile.

    Unidentified White Female

    Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
    The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years.
    The victim was estimated to have died sometime around 1970 - 1975

    Vital Statistics


    Estimated age: 15 - 20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'4"; 100 - 120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Hair and eye color are both undetermined.
    Dentals: Available. Decedant had signifigant tooth decay. Gap in the upper central incisors.
    Clothing: She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks. Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.
    DNA: Available in Codis

    Case History
    This victim was discovered off lower Bayside Drive in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey as a parcel of land was cleared along Sandy Hook Bay.
    Last edited by snowme; 10-29-2008 at 03:12 AM. Reason: a lightbulb just went on... added a question


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    The thing is, one says she had a chip in a front tooth. In the other it says a gap in the incisors, which could either mean a missing tooth, OR a partial tooth. So it could fit. I find those two interesting.


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    oh and only one child's parents knew what she was wearing, and it wasn't rachel's. It was the other older girl whose parents knew exactly, and the youngest girl's parents weren't sure either. So, one way to do this would be to call the parents and ask if Rachel owned these clothes if she had worn them in the past, etc. Just a thought.


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    Also, the other older girl was wearing red and white leather sneakers. Found near this girl was a "Leather like shoe or boot with a picture of a football scene in red and white". Interesting, very interesting...


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    Oh you're right Laura, there was a bit of a description at doenetwork on Lisa Renee Wilson's clothing. She may also have been wearing that sweet little promise ring given to her that morning by Julie Ann's brother Terry (as per missingtrio.com). The shirt she was wearing may be similar to the one shown here: http://www.stuckinthe70s.com/images/...eethonesty.jpg Different color but the sweet honesty logo probably was the same. I think my sister had a shirt like that!


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    Thank you for the picture of the shirt.


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    Bump. Thirty-four years now. Hope someone solves this before everyone has passed on.


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    It has been that long? I had thought by now one of them would have contacted a family member.

    This cases always confound me. How does this happen? I always hope there will be a break in this one, and these families find out what happened to these girls.


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    Sadly, I don't think any of the three of them are alive to contact the family members. But it does confound me too... no traces to confirm anything, that's always hard for me to comprehend. But with this much time elapsing, development in the area, people moving and growth of an area population-wise I guess it's "easy" for what may once have been evidence of something becoming buried beneath progress... or just the lost to the winds of time.

    I don't give up hope tho... I do believe all of them are solvable, somehow.
    Please read about Terry and Darleen Anderson at AMW!

    Terry & Darleen Anderson Case File at AMW

    Terry & Darleen Anderson WS Forum

    Justice for Terry & Darleen!


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    Warning: this became longer than expected!

    I don't believe the girls ran away. If you're 17 you may think nothing of running away with your 14-year-old friend, but you'd have to know you'd catch hell and maybe face kidnapping charges for taking along a 9-year-old that you barely know.

    While most missing teens were classified as runaways by default in those days, Rachel and Ranee would have known that fleeing with a 9yo would make LE more likely to pursue them.

    I doubt they'd have wanted to spend a week babysitting a 9yo holed up in a motel instead of going out to enjoy what Houston had to offer, and they would have had to buy all Julie Ann's meals since she didn't have any money for even the mall trip.

    The only reason I can come up with as to why they might have taken Julie Ann is if she'd confided that something wasn't right at home and they wanted to protect her, but it sounds like her home life was fine before she went missing.

    I don't think Ranee would have run away if it meant missing that night's Christmas party and the chance to show off her promise ring and share her happy news. Even if her pre-engagement to Terry was intended to be kept secret because of their age, she must have been eager to tell a few close friends, and why would she miss a party with her new fiance?

    I don't think Rachel wrote the letter that arrived Christmas Eve, simply because it makes no mention of Julie Ann. If Rachel and Julie Ann barely knew each other, Tommy would have had little reason to call Julie Ann's mom to see if Rachel was there. I can't imagine Rachel calmly writing to her husband to say she and her friend had split for a week and failing to mention that they'd also brought along the neighbor girl. It seems like whoever wrote the letter was only concerned with letting Tommy know the girls left voluntarily. I think the letter was primarily written to give the families and LE false hope that the girls would be back in a week, and to avoid serious search efforts from being undertaken.

    I doubt the letter's author was related to any of the girls because their relatives would have heard Rachel call her husband exclusively by his nickname "Tommy" and not Thomas, and to avoid suspicion the writer would have used the same name Rachel addressed him by.

    I think the letter was written and mailed before their disappearance and the perpetrator did not expect Julie Ann to accompany the girls to the mall. The perp probably knew the girls before that night and he or she planned to move their car to the Sears lot if they didn't already choose to park there. Had they told anyone about buying gifts at Sears vs. elsewhere in the mall, making it reasonable to expect they'd park nearest that store?

    Why a mailed letter anyway? By the time it arrived their families would have noticed they were gone and found the car at the mall in an otherwise empty lot, so why not just leave the note in the car for their parents to find? Why would you run away and mess around buying postage, envelopes and possibly stationery as well as finding a mailbox to send the letter from when you could just jot a note to leave in the locked car? I agree, get some DNA off that envelope and off the back of the stamp!

    On the "latest news" page on missingtrio.com, there is an article about a former LE officer who had been working security for Sears at the time and saw the girls riding with a young mall security guard in a pickup. I suspect he was entirely innocent and just a young guy trying to flirt with the girls by offering them an escort back to their car, but it's strange that he denied ever being with the girls when LE tracked him down years later. It's also weird that Ranee would be laughing and having a great time in the pickup at 11:30 p.m. She would have missed the Christmas party she was to attend with Terry.


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    Hi, I'm new here, mostly lurk, but had a few thoughts to add to this. I remember hearing about this case in Houston. It was on the news quite a bit since the girls were thought to have possibly gone to Houston. I also remember the mail being very slow in those days so there is no way that letter would have arrived as quick as it did unless it had been mailed at least 3-4 days before the girls went missing. Unlikely, I think.

    I'm going to throw out some ideas that came to me in hopes of discussion or to be trounced on. LOL. If the murders weren't an abduction, what other possible motives exist?

    That letter is IMO the most significant piece of info. I don't know who wrote it, but I think it was designed to protect the perp/s. What if young Rachel was pregnant? Her husband already had a 2 yr. old he was having to support. Maybe Rachel was the intended victim, and having the other two girls along made the murder look like an abduction when it wasn't.

    It also struck me as odd for a teen-aged guy to give a girl a promise ring early in the morning. Wouldn't that be something done on an evening date at dinner?

    Deb Hopper mentioned the girls might have been sold into white slavery. I find that an odd statement. I grew up in Dallas, graduated high school in the second half of the 60s, and I don't think I ever heard anyone mention white slavery or even knew such a thing existed. Ok, I led a sheltered life. If it had been prevalent, knowing my mother, I'm sure I would've been warned about it.

    What if this Deb Hopper was into some really bad stuff and bad people. Might she have sacrificed her sister to save her own skin? Maybe she'd been threatened with the death of her whole family if Rachel wasn't handed over. Seems unlikely, but just thought I'd throw it out there since it was another thought I had. Or, perhaps white slavery was just another ruse by her to protect the killer or killers.

    That the bodies have never been found, it doesn't seem likely the killers were youthful, but on the other hand, teenagers know all the out of the way places for parking or hiding out to drink. It could be that the killers knew the area extremely well; hence why their bodies have never been found. If Deb was living with Rachel and Rachel's husband, and they were the alibis for each other, the two of them could have been the ones. Typically, I think youthful lovers have more trouble with jealousy. If Rachel had known her husband had been with her sister would she have allowed her to stay with them? I think not.

    Also, if it was someone that knew the girls, how would they have gotten rid of the bodies so quickly, and so well? Was anyone employed as a heavy equipment operator, driving a backhoe or something?

    I'll bet that letter led the police to dismiss the case at first as runaways. If so, that may have given the killers time to dispose of the bodies. There were lots of runaways back in those days, young people going off to find themselves. Perhaps LE didn't put as much thought into this as they should have.

    Wonder if there is any connection between any of the people that knew these girls or a family member with either of the two towns mentioned as possibilities for where the letters supposedly originated? Maybe some grandparents who lived in one of those two places....justthinkin


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