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    TX - San Angelo - WhtMale 966UMTX, 70-90, Lived Under Multiple ID's, Mar'05

    Unidentified White Male, with most likely a serious criminal history.

    The victim was discovered on March 31, 2005 in San Angelo, Tom Green County, Texas

    Date of Death: March 31, 2005

    Estimated age: 70 - 90 years old

    Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 5" - 5' 7"; 125 - 140 lbs.

    Distinguishing Characteristics: White Male. Receding white-gray hair; blue/hazel eyes. Dark and graying eyebrows. Wore glasses. Very little to no body hair.

    **AKA: He had multiple IDs with names of Harold Frysinger, Roger S. Smith, Gerald Brown, Peter Turner using DOBs of 02/22/1922 and 7/02/1924**

    **Fingerprints: Center of each finger-pad was either damaged or abused to point that very few fingerprint characteristics obtained, possibly purposely removed. **

    Dentals: Upper plate denture that had one tooth missing. He did not have any natural teeth left.

    DNA: Available

    The victim was located in San Angelo, Texas on March 31, 2005. He was in the Shannon Hospital Intensive Care Unit.

    EMTs rushed John Doe to Shannon Hospital after suffering apparent heart attack at Christians in Action thrift store. He succumbed within the intensive care unit shortly thereafter.

    He had a form from the Pima County Arizona Health Department. He's thought to be a transient, apparently hiding his true identity.

    **May have connections to the West Coast.**

    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Tom Green County Justice of the Peace Pct. 2
    Russell Smith
    325-949-2415
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    Texas Department of Public Safety
    1-800-346-3243
    Case Number: TX DPS U0504001 ME 2400
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    San Angelo Police Department
    325-657-4255
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    NCIC Number: U-510017795
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Doenetwork.org case#966UMTX

    Sources, San Angelo PD and doenetwork.org
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/966umtx.html

    I have already been in contact with Judge Smith who is also a retired police chief of San Angelo. Have asked additional questions, and will post when I receive any new information.
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    San Angelo is about 1.5 hours away from Big Spring where there is a VA Hospital and state mental hospital. The town has many transients going through. I know the man had several ID's, but wonder if he'd been to one of the hospitals and ended up in San Angelo where there's lot of places to camp and lakes all around the city.

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    I guess that's possible, txvicki, but seeing as how this man didn't want to be identified, I think it's far more likely he would steer clear of a VA hospital, and a state run mental hospital would've had a record of him if he'd been there.

    He'd clearly been in Pima Co., AZ because he had a heath form from Pima Co. on him.

    I've been told that he'd been in San Angelo in the past on occasion. Obviously it means he found it still necessary to keep moving.

    Most of the time we work to restore a UID's proper name, and give their family some sense of closure by at least knowing what happened to their loved one, and a chance for proper burial of their loved one.

    My thoughts were different when I posted this case. My hope is that some LE offices may be able to bring a conclusion to some open crimes on their books, and get them resolved through dna.

    Everything seems to point to this man having been a criminal, probably stopped only by his advancing age, but the fact he was carrying several ID's and has obliterated fingerprints tells me he was into some serious crimes in the past, and even at his age, didn't want to be caught.

    I think it's much more likely his age is in the 80-90 year range. Based on that, we could be looking at cases that date back to the 1950s, and possibly even earlier that have gone unsolved.

    I would say this man was slicker than the average criminal. If not, his dna would've already been matched to a crime. An exception would be if he only committed one serious crime long ago, the case could be gathering dust, and not yet have been entered into a database because of its age.

    The thing that gets me is that he just looks like a kindly old man, someone's grandfather or great-grandfather. I thought it was just so bizarre that he had several IDs on him, and had obliterated the center portion of his fingerprints. That's what makes me want to know who he is and what his past is.
    Last edited by Cubby; 09-05-2010 at 02:23 AM. Reason: remove speculation on crimes of the victim.

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    Interesting UID. While the info states LE believes it is possible that he may have been a criminal, we don't have facts to substantiate 'as fact' he committed any crime.

    Please keep in mind, this is a victim friendly forum, and the purpose here in the UID section is to identify those without a name.

    We would probably have to tie any unsolved crimes after an official id, or find links to crimes with his known alias'.

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    Last edited by Cubby; 09-05-2010 at 02:43 AM.
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    I also thought he looked grandfatherly, justthinkin, and that's why I was shocked when it looked as though he might be Elmer Crawford, the Australian man who murdered his family.

    I suppose it's also possible he could have had been innocent of any crime (other than possessing fake identification) but was the victim of a mental condition that left him paranoid someone was looking for him, hence the obliterated fingerprints and secrecy about his identity.

    If the possibility that he's a criminal is this strong, in my opinion LE ought to try an isotope test if they have a hair sample. They'd at least have a few regions to pull most-wanted lists and cold cases from.
    <-- Watched one too many Hanna-Barbera "teenage detective" cartoons as a kid.

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    Good point about the isotope test, tater! That could prove a huge help.

    I never did think this guy was Crawford. Crawford had a huge snozzle on the order of a Jimmy Durante nose for one thing, and Crawford's features just looked coarser than I imagine this UID's would when younger, but the latter is JMO.

    Facial recognition software has a ways to go. It's not a substitute for dna that's for sure!

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    From what I understand, The isotope test is performed on hair and fingernails, and consequently only tells us where the person was in the last several months. It doesn't tell us where he was years or decades ago.

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    Not Whitey Bulger????

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/bulger.htm

    The UID is on the small side of Bulger's stats, but nothing that can't be accounted for by the shrinking of age, and he's known to have heart problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    From what I understand, The isotope test is performed on hair and fingernails, and consequently only tells us where the person was in the last several months. It doesn't tell us where he was years or decades ago.
    I know that with archeological specimens they perform isotope analysis on tooth enamel, maybe even bones. I have no idea if there is a reason (other than cost) this can't be done on a less aged tooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reasypeasy View Post
    I know that with archeological specimens they perform isotope analysis on tooth enamel, maybe even bones. I have no idea if there is a reason (other than cost) this can't be done on a less aged tooth.
    Whoops, didn't notice... he had no natural teeth left. Well that makes things difficult. I'm pretty sure they can study bones, but bones are constantly being renewed and won't give as definite a result as teeth or nails or hair that are set down over a limited period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Not Whitey Bulger????

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/bulger.htm

    The UID is on the small side of Bulger's stats, but nothing that can't be accounted for by the shrinking of age, and he's known to have heart problems.
    Wow! - That's a pretty strong resemblance!

    I can't imagine that they wouldn't have checked him out. But it's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Not Whitey Bulger????

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/bulger.htm

    The UID is on the small side of Bulger's stats, but nothing that can't be accounted for by the shrinking of age, and he's known to have heart problems.
    I think Bulger is a good guess, carbuff, but I also think he's probably the first person the FBI tried to match to this UID.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Wow! - That's a pretty strong resemblance!

    I can't imagine that they wouldn't have checked him out. But it's possible.
    I know. I looked at the photo upthread and thought, "Wait, they've got the wrong photo, that's Whitey, not some unidentified transient." He's *very* well known in this neck of the woods.

    I sent it in already -- better to have them tell me that of course they checked it out than to have it fall through the cracks.
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