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    Quote Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes View Post
    Respectfully edited. Do you have a link to information about the case that was released today? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by froginTtown View Post
    I still can't get over this video....The part of Terri and Kaine getting in the car....I guess it's the avoidance... This video was taken about 3 days after Kyron was missing...Please correct me if I'm wrong...!! http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video
    The "thanks" button just isn't enough. I hadn't seen that one before and it just..chilled me. The hair literally stood up on my arms.

    Interesting how TH has been slammed for going to the gym, eh? And also slammed for the "hitting the gym" comment in her FB, while her many many comments thanking others, telling how they could help, have been ignored. Three words pulled out and quoted over and over but no quotes on all the interaction with those who were sending good wishes, prayers, and who wanted to help.

    Interestingly enough, I never saw any interaction or "thank you" on KH's FB page. (Note, when last I checked these pages had "disappeared" but I believe many have kept copies.) So they both go to the gym, Kaine is the one approached directly and he ignores the reporter, TH is doing something, what she can, by interacting with people on FB, and KH is apparently busy elsewhere, but we do know that TH is trying to help.

    OOPS, rambling a bit. But maybe if LE had been more forthcoming, hadn't tried that LS "sting"--in which TH acted like anyone, especially any woman, would if 2 guys, one a complete stranger, showed up to shake her down re: a MHF plot--and had, from the get-go not decided and announced that other children were safe, and also published more information about known sex offenders, yes, things could have been different.

    Someone tried to snatch 2 other children in that area around that time, different cases, but still...hmmm. Then someone assaults a little boy in a Beaverton park.

    Like others, I've researched registered sex offenders in that area, and there's a huge boatload of them. Allong with what reportedly is a transient "camp" and vagrants hanging out in the wooded areas around the school. Plus, of course, the report of seeing a Kyron look-alike with a vagrant (black, so the child clearly not his son) fairly early on. That was followed here on WS via our scanner thread.

    BTW, what ever happened to that man and that report? The person who reported the sighting said that she'd seen him before, he wasn't threatening, and she got the impression he was taking care of this child.

    Somehow, that incident just got....lost. Disappeared? I dunno.

    LE needed to proactively address parental concerns instead of announcing "all clear". They needed to provide information to parents and the public about sex offenders, and clearly provide information about how to access the lists and photos online. (BTW, Oregon makes it harder to find that info than does other states.) They needed to address the issues of transients in that area, especially close to the school.

    They needed to provide leadership in educating the public about potential problems, providing information, including how to find photos of RSOs in that area, and doing other educational outreach--while also asking for the public's help if anything, anything at all related to known SOs or vagrants jiggled a memory. They could have done all this without alarming anyone, just matter of factly--especially since a school snatching was involved.

    Instead, they said "nothing to worry about here folks, move along now, don't worry your little heads" (this is not an exact quote but is my impression of the words and image they presented)--and then focused on proving TH did something.

    In this day of instant-access media reports, blogs, websites, cellphones, everyone seems to be able to text, take pix, even videos, our interconnectedness is amazing, they could have provided a lot more than a missing child flyer, a "don't worry ya'll" and then a failed sting, other fliers about white trucks--while missing that the groundskeeper had been there that day, had valuable testimony *and* drove a white truck -- and focusing on TH.

    Yes, I know they did searches, and no doubt very good ones. I'm not talking about that--I'm replying to the thread topic of "could they have been more forth coming?". Yes, they could have been, they threw away a valuable opportunity for community education, information sharing, and therefore more opportunity for the community to provide information and potentially leads that didn't include TH.

    I still haven't ruled out a predator, nor have I ruled out the idea that the predator may not have been a total stranger. That's JMO, though. What I want is more facts and data, hard facts and data, other than hearsay, unproven allegations, inter-family accusations and drama, and so far, an investigation that has seemingly led nowhere--although other children have been approached and/or attacked by SOs in that area. Hmmm.

    Sorry for the length but this is basically my chance for awhile to comment.

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    In this case I really feel that what ever happened to Kyron was premeditated and very well planned out. I wonder if LE have or will consider perhaps checking photos and video's from familys at Skyline school from previous fairs or occasions when parents were invited. I would suspect who ever is responsible had been at a previous function to get a feel for the school and their security. I really think who ever is responsible knew the lax of security from a previous event and planned it out. It would be interesting to see the difference in attendance from one event to another, who participated etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mylou View Post
    In this case I really feel that what ever happened to Kyron was premeditated and very well planned out. I wonder if LE have or will consider perhaps checking photos and video's from familys at Skyline school from previous fairs or occasions when parents were invited. I would suspect who ever is responsible had been at a previous function to get a feel for the school and their security. I really think who ever is responsible knew the lax of security from a previous event and planned it out. It would be interesting to see the difference in attendance from one event to another, who participated etc....
    Well said.

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    I wonder if LE has investigated Kyron's entire extended family, including step cousiins and aunts and uncles and the like. I've not read of any of them being brought in for questioning, nor any of his grandparents, for that matter. I just wonder becaause of LE's stance from the beginning led one to conclude that this was a domestic issue as opposed to a stranger abduction.

    Personally, I believe that was a completely inappropriate approach, when they clearly had no clue that pointed to a specific person, at that time. One has to contemplate whether their focus on the SM was to bolster their initial claims that this was an isolated incident and the public had no reason to fear a child predator was on the loose.

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    I know LE generally holds things back in an investigation but I hope in this case, they are not holding something back that perhaps, if known, could have led to Kyron by now, triggered a memory, for example. This case is so different from a murder case, when LE has all the time they want to gather clues and build a case, not showing their hand, but while a child is still missing, it doesn't make sense to operate under such a veil of secrecy when there is no way to tell what might bring a resolution, if only the public knew what they were looking for.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    I have NOT read all of these....But Something sure stinks. If we are to believe Terri is the culprit, WHY has she not been arrested? Le is not convinced, why should we be?
    Last edited by Carolina Girl; 09-10-2010 at 01:17 AM. Reason: spelling

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    YES, this goes against every fiber of my being, but why no charges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    and less secretive, might there have been a better chance of a solution in this case by now? If they had revealed a timeline, explained Terri's movements, asked for witnesses (to those movements) back in early June. perhaps created and displayed a diagram of the parking lot complete with vehicles, etc....instead of backtracking on times of sightings, refusing to answer almost any questions, and practically ceasing all communication with the public and media?

    No one can know for sure, but it seems to me that little would have been lost as far as the "integrity of the investigation" if LE had been more open about what info they did have and what they needed help with, much earlier on. Building a case is one thing, something usually done once the missing person is found or at least later on in the investigation, but this case it seems to have been a priority from the start. Finding Kyron seems to have become almost incidental to the supreme importance of tying up their case. I fear that they lost fresh memories that can never be restored and could possibly have led to locations as yet unknown.
    I would hope that it would have helped however I'm reminded of a case not so long ago, Victoria Stafford where there was a video released of Tori walking away with the perp as well as photo's of the car witnesses and everything. It wasn't until one of the perps confessed that there was a resolution in the case and Tori was found. These things are revealed in Gods time not ours.
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    At it's core, the defense counsel's motion accuses the undersigned of being a "self aggrandizing media hound". Indeed. The irony is rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolina Girl View Post
    YES, this goes against every fiber of my being, but why no charges?
    Because in Oregon once charges are filed they have 60 days to take it to court, if Terri requests a speedy trial. If the SA doesn't get a conviction and they find that one piece of evidence that ties her directly to this they can not retry her its double jeopardy.
    JUSTICE IS COMING HALEIGH AND CAYLEE

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    At it's core, the defense counsel's motion accuses the undersigned of being a "self aggrandizing media hound". Indeed. The irony is rich.

    Motion granted.

    Stan Strickland
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    Thank you Buterfly, that makes sense.

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