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    IA - Collin Holdgrafer, 4, drowned in bathtub, Maquoketa, 12 June 2010

    Maybe I'm imagining it, but I thought we had a thread on this.

    Andrew Holdgrafer and his wife Danielle are suspected of murdering their four year old adopted son. The female Holdgrafer is in jail. Andrew however got out somehow.

    Well, anyway he's dead. He died in a garage at the age of 32 and it's not suspicious. Momster held the little boys head under the water in the bathtub.

    I'll go look up more on the case. I did a search here though and couldn't find the name.


    http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13105568

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    Jesus take the wheel, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This guy watched as his wife held this little boys head under water and drowned him.

    He just bonded out on August 23rd. That's what like a little over two weeks ago? Warning. You will cry reading this. That or be so enraged.

    Sleep with the angels little guy. I am so sorry this world failed you.


    http://qctimes.com/news/local/crime-...cc4c03286.html



    Little Collin was murdered in June. The article goes on about a speedy trial.




    Awwwwww, little Collin's obituary. He had four siblings this little doll.


    http://www.carsonandson.com/obituary...ldgrafer/media
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    Maybe I'm imagining it, but I thought we had a thread on this.

    Andrew Holdgrafer and his wife Danielle are suspected of murdering their four year old adopted son. The female Holdgrafer is in jail. Andrew however got out somehow.

    Well, anyway he's dead. He died in a garage at the age of 32 and it's not suspicious. Momster held the little boys head under the water in the bathtub.

    I'll go look up more on the case. I did a search here though and couldn't find the name.


    http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13105568
    What does 32 year old dies from working in the garage that it's not suspicious?

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    I wonder if it is a suicide?

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    http://www.easterniowanewsnow.com/20...-dead-at-home/

    This says seizure. ???

    http://gazetteonline.com/breaking-ne...drowning-death

    This says the boy was their nephew whom they adopted.

    http://gazetteonline.com/breaking-ne...drowning-death

    "Maquoketa police say a 911 call came in that Andrew was having a seizure, gasping for air and turning blue. He was rushed to the hospital, where he died."

    Says he had admitted to knowing she was hurting the child and not reporting it. Her family says he was the abusive one.

    http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/art...cc4c002e0.html
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    Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm".

    Karma?

    Pre-existing condition?

    Stress? Guilt?

    No matter it's surely going to change the status of the mom, right?

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    I would say at the very least it looks like a dose of karma. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it sounds like something bad was going on in that house. From reading the articles, I bet there was drug use going on in that household. Pure speculation on my part, but maybe he ingested something. Either that or he somehow had a preexisting condition.
    If there is anything worse than the sandwiches, it is the sausages which sit next to them. Joyless tubes, full of gristle, floating in a sea of something hot and sad, stuck with a plastic pin in the shape of a chef’s hat: A memorial, one feels, for some chef who hated the world, and died, forgotten and alone among his cats on a back stair in Stepney. – Douglas Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzieCat View Post
    I would say at the very least it looks like a dose of karma. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it sounds like something bad was going on in that house. From reading the articles, I bet there was drug use going on in that household. Pure speculation on my part, but maybe he ingested something. Either that or he somehow had a preexisting condition.
    For certain Buzzie. Something was up.

    DHS is figuring in all this. Supposedly the grandparents called. A teacher.

    More at link




    http://defend.dot5hosting.com/defend...org2/id54.html

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    It sounds like the mom hurt more than just Collin. ~Snip~ "The fourth child endangerment charge allegedly is connected to another adopted son, Darrian, according to court documents. Details of the alleged abuse were not listed in court records." ~end snip ~


    http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13105568

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    Lots of questions of WHY from me. The biggest is why they got involved with these kids in the beginning.
    So who steps up now and takes care of the rest of this family.


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    Status epilepticus is a state when a person with epilepsy continues seizing until death. If a person with epilepsy dies during an arrest or a serious confrontation, it is usually due to SE. We had a young man die of this in his sleep in our town a few years ago. It can happen during sleep or during a time of great stress. It can also be idiopathic. My guess is that this guy had a huge amount of stress and karma, hitting him all at once. Has it ever been mentioned whether this man has epilepsy? There are non-epileptic seizures, also, but I don't believe they can lead to death.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_epilepticus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    Status epilepticus is a state when a person with epilepsy continues seizing until death. If a person with epilepsy dies during an arrest or a serious confrontation, it is usually due to SE. We had a young man die of this in his sleep in our town a few years ago. It can happen during sleep or during a time of great stress. It can also be idiopathic. My guess is that this guy had a huge amount of stress and karma, hitting him all at once. Has it ever been mentioned whether this man has epilepsy? There are non-epileptic seizures, also, but I don't believe they can lead to death.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_epilepticus
    What a horrible thing this Status Epilepticus. I always wonder with all the new medicine and testing and all why they can't help with epilepsy more. I don't mean pertaining to this guy because who knows? I doubt his dad will answer because he was already pretty angry with his own son.

    In the words of my dad "stress will kill you".

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    He is now facing the ultimate punishment, which is not dealt out in this world.

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    Now if the momster would just have a seizure, it would save the taxpayers alot of money.Just saying......
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    Update

    It's been ruled Holdgrafer died of a heart attack.

    Explanation at link





    http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=295027

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