In order to search inside their apartment, Police need to obtain a search warrant, and because income from an undisclosed source is significant in a missing child’s case, Police have a right to seize their bank records and demand answers.
Last edited by Crosby87; 10-02-2010 at 09:15 PM. Reason: add information
Then the following day there were two separate articles backing up that these items were taken. (p/work, vac, pc, etc)
But just recently I realised that the link I posted had been edited to remove those details, and the link provided by nursebeeme has vanished completely now.
Seems like they are removing a lot of previously public details from media sites. Don't know if that's because the info was proven to be false , or if they want certain details kept quiet.
Also I'm pretty sure that a house owner can give permission to search and seize by signing the appropriate paperwork (thinking of GA from the Caylee case here), but that even when given permission they will often cover all bases by getting a warrant after the fact.
.... not that I can really imagine K&R saying "Yeah, feel free to search and take whatever ya want. Our daughter is missing!! We want you to do anything and everything you can to find her. Our privacy is insignificant compared to Kiesha being missing".
Often when a child is missing, a sympathetic lawyer will step in and work pro bono, but AFAWK, no one has reached out to help them. Most of Kristi's and Robert’s comments and their inconsistent statements make me suspect they are involved in covering up a crime against Kiesha, and LE have named them as suspects. Although Police have not pressed charges against them, they are likely pending. Until then, Robert & Kristi have the right to remain silent, which could explain why Robert isn't talking about the cash deposits.
It does not look good for these two and they have two very young children to consider so they need a lawyer now because it looks like it is just a matter of time before Police arrest them for committing a crime against Kiesha.
It is odd that the family hasn't announced where those who wish to can donate money to aid them, especially since Robert is no longer employed and they have two young children. Normally families of missing children have T-shirts and badges made with their child's face on it to aid in the search for their child and that hasn't happened either.
Sorry for the confusion about the video I mentioned in my last post. I wasn't inferring that it held anything of interest in regard to the deposited money, although on reading back over my post, it does read that way.
I wanted to see this video again because I'm sure that K is actually smiling at the camera while she is sitting with R and the kids! She does nudge little B to get her to look at the camera. Of all the things I've seen and read about this case I find this video the most disturbing. Why, if your daughter had been abducted would you allow your other children to be filmed? Surely the thought that either B or L could also be abducted must have crossed the minds of K AND R? Obviously not!
Yes, what you said about information being removed is true.
In regards to your comment about K&R, "Our privacy is insignificant compared to Kiesha being missing" I agree. If this was how they felt, Robert would have told Police where the cash came from IMO.
Robert and Kristi make themselves look guilty for their daughter's disappearance by not attending her vigil. If they went, they would have been emotionally enriched and they could have taken their children. Yet they chose not to go and embrace the love, comfort, and support that was available to them so it would be blasphemous for them to later make a public statement through the media thanking everyone who organized and attended the vigil for their own daughter. Did Chris and Liz Weippart attend?
Last edited by Crosby87; 10-03-2010 at 01:42 PM. Reason: add info
IMO ,they'd have to be pretty stupid not to have an atty at this point, especially when they can get it for free. Even the phone call is free.
From the legal aid site:
Are you Aboriginal or a Torres Strait Islander?
You can also get legal help from:
Aboriginal Legal Services (ALS): ring your nearest ALS
Aboriginal Women's Legal Centre:
1800 686 *** (free call)
Indigenous Women's Legal Contact Line:
1800 639 *** (free call)
Aboriginal Client Service Specialists are located at a number of local courts to provide assistance and information. Contact your Local Court to find the location of an Aboriginal Specialist near you.
My friend went through about 4 legal aid attys before they gave him a private atty that didn't cost him a cent.
Were Kristi and Robert present when their apartment was searched by Police and their bank records seized? I remember they left and stayed in a hotel. Therefore I am wondering if they were there, they would have hidden the records. TIA
Last edited by butwhatif?; 10-04-2010 at 01:50 AM. Reason: add
Some good news....it seems that not everybody who was in close contact with Kiesha is letting her down.
A person by the name of Alison Anderson has been posting on the PKA FB page, and people are saying how great it is that she is finally standing up for keisha....someone also mentioned something about her being at the vigil.
Since I posted the last lot of pics from the kiesha vigil, more have been put up.
And it looks to me like this is the same Alison Andersan who staunchly defended K & R in the beginning. The same one that Mrs G believed had a different demeaner in her last presser. (which I missed myself).
So here's some media pics of Alison Anderson
Now the picture that I think looks like Alison from the vigil:
I really do hope she has 'seen the light' and that her involvement is because of a genuine love of kiesha and wanting to see justice done.
Last edited by butwhatif?; 10-04-2010 at 06:06 AM. Reason: add an s
"She'd be hungry by now, she loves her food," her mother's friend Alison Anderson said yesterday afternoon, 18 hours after Kiesha was last seen.
Ms Anderson said Kiesha's mother was shocked and the whole family was "a mess".
AND by Liz Weippart on August 8, 2010:
Mrs Weippeart said she felt in her heart that Kiesha was still alive.
''I think she's alive and safe and someone has got her, because they haven't found any trace of her,'' she said.
Matthew Weippeart said: ''We just want our little angel back at home.''
When Mr Smith was first interviewed by police just days after the child disappeared, he said detectives had his bank records and grilled him over a number of transactions.
"They had my bank statements there and they were saying to me, 'What's this for, and what's that for?'," Mr Smith said at the time.
Does what was written in this article confirm Police questioned Robert about the cash deposits during an interview at the police station and not at their house? There is no indication how Police obtained his bank records.
This is the only information I found on Kristi and Robert's relationship which was given by Liz Weippart: Aidxx's death occurred in 2002 and Kiesha was born on April 22, 2004.
It sounds like Kristi moved in with Robert shortly after Kiesha was born which means Robert has known Kiesha most of her life and K&R have lived together for about 5 or 6 years.
Chris Weippeart, the biological father of Kiesha, and Liz, her grandmother, gave their first interview since Kiesha disappeared.
It was three weeks yesterday since she was first reported missing from her home near Mount Druitt by her mother Kristi Abrahams and stepfather Robert Smith.
Ms Weippeart, fighting back tears, said: "The day Axxxx came out of hospital he lived here with me for the first six weeks. She [Kristi] didn't feel like a mother and didn't feel like it was her child because she had a caesarean section and she didn't want to walk up the two flights of stairs [at their unit]. All three of them stayed here for the first six weeks.
"Three days after they moved out, Chris came running in and said, ‘Mum, Axxxx blue.'
"I went running up the street with Chris. Axxxx was deceased three days after leaving my house."
That happened before the couple's relationship broke down and Kristi moved in with Mr Smith, taking Kiesha with her.
[QUOTE=Makara;5650030]Sorry for the confusion about the video I mentioned in my last post. I wasn't inferring that it held anything of interest in regard to the deposited money, although on reading back over my post, it does read that way.
I wanted to see this video again because I'm sure that K is actually smiling at the camera while she is sitting with R and the kids! She does nudge little B to get her to look at the camera. Of all the things I've seen and read about this case I find this video the most disturbing. Why, if your daughter had been abducted would you allow your other children to be filmed? Surely the thought that either B or L could also be abducted must have crossed the minds of K AND R? Obviously not! [/QUOTE]
"Naomi Naibkhil, the mother of two girls, said she was keeping her children inside."
The family sold t-shirts with the child's face, name and contact information on it and had fund-raising events. The mother came under fire for not reporting the money she received.
KIM PICAZIO: Well I’ll tell you, that when I was on this case, and I had said this on the News many a times, that Ronald was refusing to go into Law Enforcement, he wouldn’t go in to cooperate with regard to his child, he would not go in, and neither would Misty, so he had lawyered up very early, even before we even knew publicly that there were criminal lawyers involved. There were, and we were getting lots of frustrating comments etc by Law Enforcement because if no one talks in Florida and in all of the States, you cannot just bring someone in by the hair, and force them to undergo interrogation, it is not how it works in the Unites States. So, unless they had something to charge him with, they could not bring him in and force him to talk; and he didn’t, which was very telling to everybody watching this case. Why isn’t this guy helping find his child? Why isn’t he helping?
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Last edited by Crosby87; 10-04-2010 at 12:49 PM. Reason: add a link
UNTIL Police charge Robert Smith in Kiesha’s disappearance, he can refuse to be interviewed by them, but Police are not respecting his constitutional rights. I think he needs a lawyer now because of what's been going on.
Police quiet on Kiesha's stepfather's 'lead us to her body' claims
Police are refusing to confirm reports today that they told the stepfather of missing girl Kiesha Abrahams to take them to her body.
Robert Smith told News Ltd that detectives "got tough" with him during an interview on Wednesday night, with police asking him to "take them to the body".
A state crime command spokesman refused to discuss the developments when contacted this morning.
"We are not making any comment at all on that," he said. Stepdad says police think he killed Kiesha.
Updated Fri Aug 6, 2010 6:57am AEST
Robert Smith says detectives have identified him as a suspect in Kiesha's disappearance. (AAP: Dean Lewins, file photo)
The stepfather of missing six-year-old Kiesha Abrahams says police have asked him where he dumped her body.
Robert Smith told The Daily Telegraph that police "absolutely ... think I did it".
He said detectives "got tough" with him on Wednesday night and demanded he show them where her body was.
"They said, 'Lead us to her body' and that sort of thing. It was pretty tough," he said.
Mr Smith denied killing Kiesha, saying he loved her as if she was his own daughter.
Kiesha was reported missing on Sunday, but has reportedly not been seen by anyone outside her immediate family for a month.
She was reported missing from her Mount Druitt home by her mother, Kristi Abrahams, who said she found the door to their unit unlocked and the child gone.
Ms Abrahams told police she last saw her daughter when she put her to bed on Saturday night.
Especially since we have a pic of them at the unit with police that day, and knowing they were hauled off for questioning later that same day. (article below)
I haven't come across (and don't recall) any statement by police yet as to how it was obtained. But if I find it, I'll post it.
On a side note it's odd that in the article you linked they have a photo of Kristi and the caption reads: "Payments made to Kristi Abrahams's bank account forms part of police investigation into Kiesha's disappearance."
...why don't they mention Robs account, or 'Rob and Kristis' acc? I wish we could trust what the media is printing....sooooo frustrating!
It doesn't make much sense that they would be hounding Rob about the money if it was deposited into Kristis acc.....unless the deposits themselves were known to have been made by Rob....and they want to know how he managed to get his hands on that much money.
Robert and Kristi need a lawyer because the Police are trying to cut corners and they don’t care if they violate R&K’s constitutional rights. Obviously Police do not have the evidence they need to charge Robert or Kristi with murder or they would. Clearly the Police manipulated Robert into violating his constitutional rights when they hauled him in for an “interview” and accused him of murdering Kiesha and hiding her body. After that incident occurred, Robert & Kristi had the right to refuse to do any more interviews with Police. That’s not an interview, that’s an interrogation, and Robert and Kristi are innocent until proven guilty.
That’s why Police wouldn’t talk when they were asked if it was true they came down hard on Robert and accused him of murdering Kiesha and hiding her body. If K&R had a lawyer, he would advise his clients and explain to them what their rights are. IF Police obtained R&K’s bank records illegally, their lawyer could check into it and file a complaint against them on behalf of his clients and forbid his clients’ to give anymore interviews with Police. Perhaps the Police did obtain their bank records illegally and that’s why they won’t say how they how they obtained them. We have never heard the Police obtained a search warrant for the apartment and I have a feeling they intruded on their rights the day they went into their apartment with them.
Last edited by Crosby87; 10-05-2010 at 12:08 AM. Reason: add a comment
New interview with kristi from todays mt druitt/st marys standard:
BIt more at link`Please bring her back to me'
“I just want to say thank you for your support and all the nice things that they’ve put down (at the shrine at Woodstock Ave),” Ms Abrahams said.
“It’s nice to know that people do care out there.”
The pair acknowledged the Hebersham West City Tigers under-12 rugby league team for dedicating their grand final to Kiesha.
Inside their new home, the family has built their own personal shrine dedicated to their beloved Kiesha.
Framed pictures of the little girl, candles, pink and purple toys from the public shrine and Kiesha’s favourite toys are laid out in the living room.
An emotional Ms Abrahams also responded to various rumors about her in the media and on Facebook.
“People don’t see me behind closed doors,” she said of those who accuse her of being a bad mother.
“It’s people who don’t have the guts to say it face-to-face.
“I’m sick of all the lies and the bull***t that’s out there.”
Mr Smith said: “They can’t judge us - how can you judge someone when you don’t know a single thing about them? It’s just wrong.
Ms Abrahams said: “I don’t know what to think. I don’t know what to say ... I don’t know what happened.”
She said she would like to attend a public service for Kiesha, like the candlelight vigil held last week, but she would feel vulnerable and exposed.
“We don’t know what kind of people are out there. I’d love to go,” Ms Abrahams said before breaking down in tears.
“If anyone does know anything, please bring her back.”
So much to say about these statements again...but don't have the energy or focus right now.
.....except if Kristi wanted to let us know what kind of mum she really was behind closed doors to prove she did love and nurture Kiesha, she's had ample opportunity to do so....but has chosen not to.
Maybe there's vidoetape of happy familly days together. Maybe theres' an innnocent explanation for Kieshas lack of attendence at school...And even the bite mark....But if there is then why not shout it from the roof-tops??
I wouldn't give a damn if I got charged for publicly discussing a confidential case- I'd rather set the record straight.
If everything out there is lies and Bull***** ,as she so eloquently puts it, why not come out of hiding and tell all?
Media would be falling all over themselves if Kristi said she wanted to do an interview and "tell all". NOt even about Kieshas disappearance, but the life they llived leading up to it.
-By Kristy“I don’t know what to think. I don’t know what to say ... I don’t know what happened.”
^This has some significance ,imo- not sure how yet...must ponder....
- Kristi again.“It’s people who don’t have the guts to say it face-to-face.
Is she picking a school yard fight? And how are people supposed to say it to her face when she's in hiding?
And the bit about how Kristi would feel vunerable and exposed going to a vigil? Wonder just how vunerable Kiesha felt her entire life?
ETA: LOL- guess I did have the energy to post some thoughts on the article.
ETA 2: Here are the two pics that ran with the article:
Last edited by butwhatif?; 10-05-2010 at 02:53 AM. Reason: add pic