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    Quote Originally Posted by butwhatif? View Post
    My theory of why they were pressuring Rob for answers about the deposits is because I believe the bank statements were part of the paperwork that was seized from the unit around the 5th August.
    They wanted to hear his explanation, which obviously didn't sit well with the police so they put pressure on him during that interview, and when nothing came of that, they started the forensic audit.

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    Thank you butwhatif. That makes sense. I read through the reports recently and don’t recall seeing anything about paperwork being seized but I think I recall hearing about it. Would you happen to have the link?

    In order to search inside their apartment, Police need to obtain a search warrant, and because income from an undisclosed source is significant in a missing child’s case, Police have a right to seize their bank records and demand answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    I am surprised Robert and Kristi haven't hired a lawyer. Maybe they have but no one knows. They have been running away from their problems and hiding since Kieisha disappeared so I guess they will wait until charges are filed against them before they hire an attorney. JMO
    If they are both on welfare, I doubt they'll be able to afford to pay for it themselves, so they'll probably get a taxpayer funded lawyer through legal aid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    Thank you butwhatif. That makes sense. I read through the reports recently and don’t recall seeing anything about paperwork being seized but I think I recall hearing about it. Would you happen to have the link?

    In order to search inside their apartment, Police need to obtain a search warrant, and because income from an undisclosed source is significant in a missing child’s case, Police have a right to seize their bank records and demand answers.
    Channel 7 news reported it on either 4th or the 5th August because my post about it is listed as the 5th August on this site (so depends on the time difference).

    Then the following day there were two separate articles backing up that these items were taken. (p/work, vac, pc, etc)
    But just recently I realised that the link I posted had been edited to remove those details, and the link provided by nursebeeme has vanished completely now.

    Seems like they are removing a lot of previously public details from media sites. Don't know if that's because the info was proven to be false , or if they want certain details kept quiet.

    Also I'm pretty sure that a house owner can give permission to search and seize by signing the appropriate paperwork (thinking of GA from the Caylee case here), but that even when given permission they will often cover all bases by getting a warrant after the fact.

    .... not that I can really imagine K&R saying "Yeah, feel free to search and take whatever ya want. Our daughter is missing!! We want you to do anything and everything you can to find her. Our privacy is insignificant compared to Kiesha being missing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by alj65 View Post
    If they are both on welfare, I doubt they'll be able to afford to pay for it themselves, so they'll probably get a taxpayer funded lawyer through legal aid.
    When would Kristi and Robert be able to get help from Legal Aid? IMO, they needed a lawyer right after Kiesha disappeared since they don't have the experience or ability required to handle the media, public, or law enforcement on their own. They are under a great deal of pressure and suspicion due to the cash that was deposited into their account prior to Kiesha’s disappearance, so why don’t they have a lawyer?

    Often when a child is missing, a sympathetic lawyer will step in and work pro bono, but AFAWK, no one has reached out to help them. Most of Kristi's and Robert’s comments and their inconsistent statements make me suspect they are involved in covering up a crime against Kiesha, and LE have named them as suspects. Although Police have not pressed charges against them, they are likely pending. Until then, Robert & Kristi have the right to remain silent, which could explain why Robert isn't talking about the cash deposits.

    It does not look good for these two and they have two very young children to consider so they need a lawyer now because it looks like it is just a matter of time before Police arrest them for committing a crime against Kiesha.

    It is odd that the family hasn't announced where those who wish to can donate money to aid them, especially since Robert is no longer employed and they have two young children. Normally families of missing children have T-shirts and badges made with their child's face on it to aid in the search for their child and that hasn't happened either.


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    Sorry for the confusion about the video I mentioned in my last post. I wasn't inferring that it held anything of interest in regard to the deposited money, although on reading back over my post, it does read that way.

    I wanted to see this video again because I'm sure that K is actually smiling at the camera while she is sitting with R and the kids! She does nudge little B to get her to look at the camera. Of all the things I've seen and read about this case I find this video the most disturbing. Why, if your daughter had been abducted would you allow your other children to be filmed? Surely the thought that either B or L could also be abducted must have crossed the minds of K AND R? Obviously not!


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    Quote Originally Posted by butwhatif? View Post
    Channel 7 news reported it on either 4th or the 5th August because my post about it is listed as the 5th August on this site (so depends on the time difference).

    Then the following day there were two separate articles backing up that these items were taken. (p/work, vac, pc, etc)
    But just recently I realised that the link I posted had been edited to remove those details, and the link provided by nursebeeme has vanished completely now.

    Seems like they are removing a lot of previously public details from media sites. Don't know if that's because the info was proven to be false , or if they want certain details kept quiet.Also I'm pretty sure that a house owner can give permission to search and seize by signing the appropriate paperwork (thinking of GA from the Caylee case here), but that even when given permission they will often cover all bases by getting a warrant after the fact.

    .... not that I can really imagine K&R saying "Yeah, feel free to search and take whatever ya want. Our daughter is missing!! We want you to do anything and everything you can to find her. Our privacy is insignificant compared to Kiesha being missing".
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    Thank you butwhatif, and I hope you are feeling better.

    Yes, what you said about information being removed is true.

    In regards to your comment about K&R, "Our privacy is insignificant compared to Kiesha being missing" I agree. If this was how they felt, Robert would have told Police where the cash came from IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by butwhatif? View Post
    Here ya go....



    Thank you, butwhatif. And thanks to those who organized and attended Kiesha's vigil. What a beautiful and generous outpouring of love and support for Kiesha. It brought tears to my eyes when I viewed the pics.

    Robert and Kristi make themselves look guilty for their daughter's disappearance by not attending her vigil. If they went, they would have been emotionally enriched and they could have taken their children. Yet they chose not to go and embrace the love, comfort, and support that was available to them so it would be blasphemous for them to later make a public statement through the media thanking everyone who organized and attended the vigil for their own daughter. Did Chris and Liz Weippart attend?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Makara View Post
    Sorry for the confusion about the video I mentioned in my last post. I wasn't inferring that it held anything of interest in regard to the deposited money, although on reading back over my post, it does read that way.

    I wanted to see this video again because I'm sure that K is actually smiling at the camera while she is sitting with R and the kids! She does nudge little B to get her to look at the camera. Of all the things I've seen and read about this case I find this video the most disturbing. Why, if your daughter had been abducted would you allow your other children to be filmed? Surely the thought that either B or L could also be abducted must have crossed the minds of K AND R? Obviously not!
    Kristi is lacking discretion and maternal instincts and it makes matters worse that her partner Robert Smith isn't helping her grow so the two of them should not be having and raising children together. They are a lethal couple. A man should work to protect his family and he stands by and doesn't object when his own children's safety and well-being are being compromised by their own mother. Robert is docile and that is not the type of man Kristi needs. There is no accountability between them so perhaps they should separate but don't or want because of their children. Kristi may not want to separate from Rob because she wouldn't be able to support herself. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    When would Kristi and Robert be able to get help from Legal Aid? IMO, they needed a lawyer right after Kiesha disappeared since they don't have the experience or ability required to handle the media, public, or law enforcement on their own. They are under a great deal of pressure and suspicion due to the cash that was deposited into their account prior to Kiesha’s disappearance, so why don’t they have a lawyer?

    Often when a child is missing, a sympathetic lawyer will step in and work pro bono, but AFAWK, no one has reached out to help them. Most of Kristi's and Robert’s comments and their inconsistent statements make me suspect they are involved in covering up a crime against Kiesha, and LE have named them as suspects. Although Police have not pressed charges against them, they are likely pending. Until then, Robert & Kristi have the right to remain silent, which could explain why Robert isn't talking about the cash deposits.

    It does not look good for these two and they have two very young children to consider so they need a lawyer now because it looks like it is just a matter of time before Police arrest them for committing a crime against Kiesha.

    It is odd that the family hasn't announced where those who wish to can donate money to aid them, especially since Robert is no longer employed and they have two young children. Normally families of missing children have T-shirts and badges made with their child's face on it to aid in the search for their child and that hasn't happened either.
    Bluesky, here in Australia, Legal Aid will provide them with legal representation at no cost to them, especially if they're on welfare.
    I've not actually read whether they have a lawyer yet or not. I wonder if they do have one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    In order to search inside their apartment, Police need to obtain a search warrant, and because income from an undisclosed source is significant in a missing child’s case, Police have a right to seize their bank records and demand answers.
    Police don't always need a search warrant. In certain situations, they can search people and premises and seize items without a warrant. (There are legislative provisons in the Crimes Act 1900, the Summary Offences Act 1988 that allow it under certain circumstances.) I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm sure the police did get a warrant, but I just thought I'd mention that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alj65 View Post
    Bluesky, here in Australia, Legal Aid will provide them with legal representation at no cost to them, especially if they're on welfare.
    I've not actually read whether they have a lawyer yet or not. I wonder if they do have one?
    They can also get Aboriginal legal services representation which is the same as legal aid, but only for aboriginals and TSI's, so they're pretty well covered.

    IMO ,they'd have to be pretty stupid not to have an atty at this point, especially when they can get it for free. Even the phone call is free.

    From the legal aid site:

    Are you Aboriginal or a Torres Strait Islander?

    You can also get legal help from:
    Aboriginal Legal Services (ALS): ring your nearest ALS
    Aboriginal Women's Legal Centre:
    1800 686 *** (free call)
    Indigenous Women's Legal Contact Line:
    1800 639 *** (free call)

    Aboriginal Client Service Specialists are located at a number of local courts to provide assistance and information. Contact your Local Court to find the location of an Aboriginal Specialist near you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alj65 View Post
    Bluesky, here in Australia, Legal Aid will provide them with legal representation at no cost to them, especially if they're on welfare.
    I've not actually read whether they have a lawyer yet or not. I wonder if they do have one?

    I think once someone is charged they are then given lawyer through legal aid for formal interviews and and trials, but it is unlikely they would have prior to being charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    I think once someone is charged they are then given lawyer through legal aid for formal interviews and and trials, but it is unlikely they would have prior to being charged.

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    And just like the private rental through housing commission, when you are assigned a legal aid atty, if they are overburdened, you can be assigned a private atty that is paid for by legal aid.

    My friend went through about 4 legal aid attys before they gave him a private atty that didn't cost him a cent.


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    Were Kristi and Robert present when their apartment was searched by Police and their bank records seized? I remember they left and stayed in a hotel. Therefore I am wondering if they were there, they would have hidden the records. TIA


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    Were Kristi and Robert present when their apartment was searched by Police and their bank records seized? I remember they left and stayed in a hotel. Therefore I am wondering if they were there, they would have hidden the records. TIA
    I know there was a video or still shot of K&R with police inside the unit in the early days....just can't find it now to figure out exactly when it was.

    ETA: Not the one I was thinking of but here's one from Aug 4th

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