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    Im also very curious about the money. IMO it has to be a payment for something. Possibly drugs??? Still think that would be a priority for LE to get figured out!
    Id say the comment on a childless couple sounds more like a grasping at straws to get the focus on someone else. Id think it would be more likely for someone to say I believe my child was kidnapped without the "childless couple " thrown in for good measure.

    I do have a question for locals. What exactly is Woolies? TIA


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    This is going to sound awful, but I just find it hard to believe anyone selling a child for only $4K. Then again, there was the case of a man trying to sell is infant daughter for $25.00 in a Walmart parking lot...so maybe I'm naive.

    I am wondering if this was some sort of down payment for Keisha, and one of the following options occured:

    a. Kristi and Rob were given the rest in cash

    b. The perps were going to put MORE in the account, but when LE caught wind of the deposits, Kristi told them to STOP putting money in for now.

    Then again, who knows...

    Kristi's sunglasses, hoodie, hands, and middle finger *rolls eyes* shielding her face from the media make her look dishonest and like she is trying to hide something, and just make her look like an unfriendly person. Any other parent of an abducted/missing child would face the public positively and get their message out there. If we cannot connect with the family, we have a difficult time connecting to the child victim. When you behave well, more people will want to help you and therefore help Keisha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidefox64 View Post
    Im also very curious about the money. IMO it has to be a payment for something. Possibly drugs??? Still think that would be a priority for LE to get figured out! Id say the comment on a childless couple sounds more like a grasping at straws to get the focus on someone else. Id think it would be more likely for someone to say I believe my child was kidnapped without the "childless couple " thrown in for good measure.

    I do have a question for locals. What exactly is Woolies? TIA
    I agree, what is the holdup? Do LE need to obtain a search warrant before they can seize their bank records; and if so, I thought they would have already taken care of that shortly after the media reported this information. At times it is difficult to figure out what LE is up to.

    If the money was deposited in Kristi and Robert's joint bank account in exchange for Kiesha, Kristi would be pretty stupid to announce Kiesha is in the loving arms of a childless couple. That would clearly be an example of giving away too much information.

    I am not a local, but I heard Robert was previously employed at the retail store Woolworths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidefox64 View Post
    I do have a question for locals. What exactly is Woolies? TIA
    Woolworths, colloquially known as Woolies, is the largest supermarket chain in Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    I am not a local, but I heard Robert was previously employed at the retail store Woolworths.
    Yeah, I got the impression from the news that he was currently employed by Woolworths. Then a comment to an article (in post #256) mentioned he was on welfare, along with Kristi (I figured she was anyway), so I have no idea if he's working or on benefits. I remember thinking, ah, she's living with him and he's working, she'll get busted for welfare fraud, but I've not read anything about that. BTW, is a woman allowed to claim welfare when she's living with a man who is gainfully employed? (Or maybe he isn't afterall.) Their joint bank account has been mentioned a few times, so perhaps everything's above board as far as wages and/or welfare payments are concerned. It's the "almost $4,000" that I'm most curious about. It's not helped by the fact that nothing has been reported about what those payments were.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alj65 View Post
    Yeah, I got the impression from the news that he was currently employed by Woolworths. Then a comment to an article (in post #256) mentioned he was on welfare, along with Kristi (I figured she was anyway), so I have no idea if he's working or on benefits. I remember thinking, ah, she's living with him and he's working, she'll get busted for welfare fraud, but I've not read anything about that. BTW, is a woman allowed to claim welfare when she's living with a man who is gainfully employed? (Or maybe he isn't afterall.) Their joint bank account has been mentioned a few times, so perhaps everything's above board as far as wages and/or welfare payments are concerned. It's the "almost $4,000" that I'm most curious about. It's not helped by the fact that nothing has been reported about what those payments were.
    Police have disappointed us by not keeping us abreast of new developments in this case and it is frustrating to say the least that they haven't followed-up and readdressed the issue about the $4000 was deposited in intervals into Kristi and Robert's joint bank account preceding Kiesha's disappearance. If LE needed a search warrant, they've had plenty of time to get one; so they should have found their answers by now.

    Because Kristi and Robert are living common-law, if Kristi applied for social assistance she has to declare Robert’s income. Robert has been referred to as Kiesha’s stepfather even though Chris Weippart is still paying Kiesha's child support. Maybe Robert is Kiesha’s stepfather due to his common-law relationship with Kristi because there was no mention in any of the media reports that they were married. Anyhow, we never got the current status of Kristi and Robert's relationship figured out.

    If Kristi and Robert qualified for social assistance, they are legally required to report any changes in their financial status. As far as we know, Kristi and Robert have a joint bank account and they would have received their son’s baby bonus by now.
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    Apparently Kristi is doing another interview, since today is 1st October and marks 2 months since Kiesha was reported missing.

    What's wrong with this picture? She's in hiding for weeks and weeks and then suddenly starts a media blitz?
    Wonder if Rob will be included in this one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by alj65 View Post
    ^ Oops, that ended up being a long rant. It was a stream of consciousness about butwhatif? mentioned in her post (#266). I know, I've got to stop doing that.
    No don't stop. So much of the media involvement has focused on the 'bad area' Kiesha grew up in. 'Hooksie' is the perfect 'mounty county' sterotype, but it's important for people to see and know that this is not how everybody lives their lives in the western suburbs of Sydney.

    And I couldn't agree more with every word you posted.

    JMO

    ETA: About the welfare payments....even if Rob was employed they would still be eligible for family tax benefits. Or he could have only worked a certain number of hours that allowed him to still recieve payments from centrelink.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    Police have disappointed us by not keeping us abreast of new developments in this case and it is frustrating to say the least that they haven't followed-up and readdressed the issue about the $4000 was deposited in intervals into Kristi and Robert's joint bank account preceding Kiesha's disappearance. If LE needed a search warrant, they've had plenty of time to get one; so they should have found their answers by now.

    Because Kristi and Robert are living common-law, if Kristi applied for social assistance she has to declare Robert’s income. Robert has been referred to as Kiesha’s stepfather even though Chris Weippart is still paying Kiesha's child support. Maybe Robert is Kiesha’s stepfather due to his common-law relationship with Kristi because there was no mention in any of the media reports that they were married. Anyhow, we never got the current status of Kristi and Robert's relationship figured out.

    If Kristi and Robert qualified for social assistance, they are legally required to report any changes in their financial status. As far as we know, Kristi and Robert have a joint bank account and they would have received their son’s baby bonus by now.
    BBM- I'm sure the police didn't just accept whatever answer K&R gave about the money deposits, and have either already figured it out or are still in the process.
    It just means they are not sharing all the info or evidence they do have because they want to do this the right way and keep the integrity of the case to ensure a conviction.
    It's frustrating not having the answers, but better that we're left in the dark, than a child killer walking free on a technicality....or the perps screaming they can't get a fair trial because the police were openly treating them as suspects, swaying public opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alj65 View Post
    ^ Ha, they don't look bad arse, they look stupid...and teenagers from all over the world do the same thing, unfortunately. I've often wondered why people choose to keep themselves culturally dumbed down and continue the negative stereotypes.
    A person on welfare who rides his motorbike into the living room of a house that he doesn't own because the taxpayer won't build a garage for him, doesn't deserve a house...and I dare say he doesn't deserve any taxpayer funds at all. It's not his inalienable right to have a garage for nothing. Heck, he's lucky he's got food in his belly and a roof over his head. Some peoples attitude is their guarantee of staying in poverty - they don't work, they smoke, they drink, they don't get an education, they never own anything or do anything. I bet a lot of them have never travelled and never experienced the world and all it has to offer. Personally, I have little time for people who won't better themselves or be the best they can be because of things like laziness, or what have you. Welfare isn't a 'Get Out Of Work Forever' card. I'm not anti welfare, but I'm annoyed by those people who abuse the system and can't be bothered getting off their backsides to do something. And what annoys me even more is when these very people blame their failure to achieve on the Government, political policy, racism and their socio-economic background. They go around blaming the police for incarcerations or teachers for teaching their kids poor speaking habits. The truth is, too many parents have no interest or involvement in their child's education or welfare, yet they'll happily spend money on cigarettes or Nike shoes and not on things like learning tools. It's sad when people openly embrace the wrong set of values, especially when they have opportunities to make changes. (Honestly, it's not like they live in Soweto or Kandahar or anything.) In the end, they get out of life exactly what they put into it.


    ALJ65 dont be sorry for this rant as I think that is how a lot of people think......I am not against unemployed people who are having trouble finding work or people being disabled and receiving benefits nor the old age pension, for goodness sakes the majority of these people have worked their butts off for years and paid taxes.....but yes there are way too many people ripping off the welfare system, in fact there are now generations of welfare recipients in families.....its just a way of life......and beleive me up here in North Queensland there are stacks of them, leading quite good existences some of them.....

    there needs to be a major crackdown, we in australia make it too easy.......If you want to hear of good policies, look up how Norway or Denmark handle things...those scandinavian countries have got it right.....

    and please I do also acknowledge there are a hell of a lot of people who need that welfare and I have no qualms them receiving it.....but I also think in this day and age there are so many people working without any welfare who are really struggling as well trying to keep up with rising costs........

    how many people know of a single mum who has 4 kids to 4 different dads and living with the new man and receiving quite a tidy sum on welfare or people getting cash in hand and on the dole or exaggerated disabilities for the pension or compo and working cash in the hand......I personally have come across quite a lot........

    to alot of people $4000 is very much needed these days and that is why I said it would be a luxury to have that extra $4000, but I do agree $4000 is such a small amount to sell a child.....

    I think it is probably drug money....


    Still if he is not working they need to supply where they got the $4000 from and their centrelink payments adjusted accordingly AND they should be fined for not declaring it....

    If he is working at woolies it is likely they are on low income benefits and receiving the family tax benefit A & B........this is calculated on an estimate that you give the Family assistance every year BUT this should have been told to them as it would adjust their weekly assistance and they should be fined for not telling them!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by butwhatif? View Post
    BBM- I'm sure the police didn't just accept whatever answer K&R gave about the money deposits, and have either already figured it out or are still in the process.
    It just means they are not sharing all the info or evidence they do have because they want to do this the right way and keep the integrity of the case to ensure a conviction.
    It's frustrating not having the answers, but better that we're left in the dark, than a child killer walking free on a technicality....or the perps screaming they can't get a fair trial because the police were openly treating them as suspects, swaying public opinion.

    JMO
    Another reason I can think of to explain why no more was said about their bank deposits is because this information that was leaked to the public is false. No one can access our bank records. so who would know money had been deposited into their bank account and how would they be able to prove it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky#1 View Post
    Another reason I can think of to explain why no more was said about their bank deposits is because this information that was leaked to the public is false. No one can access our bank records. so who would know money had been deposited into their bank account and how would they be able to prove it?
    you know what... you are right, that type of information is private unless the information was "leaked" by someone who has first hand knowledge of it, then I have to wonder how they know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterfly1978 View Post
    you know what... you are right, that type of information is private unless the information was "leaked" by someone who has first hand knowledge of it, then I have to wonder how they know.
    I went through the media reports and found the one about the bank deposits and I was wrong, police did somehow get access to their bank records. Maybe Police will have to haul them before a Judge or Grand Jury if they aren't satisfied with their answers. But police should be able to trace the source on their own, so maybe butwhatif is right, they are withholding information for a reason. But still, police have had ample time to check out this lead and if Kiesha was sold, I think they would have found that out by now. The rumor that Kiesha's clothing was missing from her bedroom are false and Kristi said she believes Kiesha is in the arms of a loving childless couple and she wouldn't say that if Kiesha was sold IMO.

    I posted other bits of information to refresh our memory.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225909120801

    <snipped> Date: August 24, 2010

    POLICE are investigating a series of payments made into the bank account of missing girl Kiesha Abrahams' mother and stepfather in the weeks before she disappeared.
    Sources have told The Daily Telegraph up to six payments, ranging between about $500 and $600 each, were made into Kristi Abrahams' and Robert Smith's bank account - but they are yet to be explained or accounted for.
    It is understood the amounts were paid in cash into the account at regular intervals leading up to when Kiesha, 6, was reported missing from Mt Druitt her home in Sydney's West on August 1.
    When Mr Smith was first interviewed by police just days after the child disappeared, he said detectives had his bank records and grilled him over a number of transactions.
    "They had my bank statements there and they were saying to me, 'What's this for, and what's that for?'," Mr Smith said at the time.


    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/team-of-12...ml?autostart=1
    <snipped>

    Police have denied reports that an investigation at the family's home had failed to find any clothing belonging to the child.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiesh...ml?from=smh_sb
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    Detectives are awaiting results of DNA tests understood to have been taken from bedding and furniture from Kiesha's bedroom.

    She also questioned why everyone was calling her Kiesha Abrahams when the name on her birth certificate is Weippeart.
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    thanks for finding that about the bank acounts. Do we know if the regular payments continued after she went missing?
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    Afternoon all,

    it would seem that it was Rob himself who told the media about the bank statements.

    When Mr Smith was first interviewed by police just days after the child disappeared, he said detectives had his bank records and grilled him over a number of transactions.

    "They had my bank statements there and they were saying to me, 'What's this for, and what's that for?'," Mr Smith said at the time.
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225909117371

    I've also read somewhere (can't find the link now) that the mystery about the money had been cleared up.

    I've been trying to find the video of Kristi and Rob being interviewed when they had baby L and three year old B with them. They are explaining why they can't search for Keisha etc. I've searched on line for it without success. It may have been deleted but if anyone has the link would you be kind enough to post it here please?


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