681 users online (89 members and 592 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 40
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    177

    Why do you think some of the parents have changed their mind?

    I'm about to start re-reading the court transcripts, but before I do, I wanted to ask what do you believe happened to cause a couple of the parents to change their minds?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    65
    Well this of course is just my opinion

    JMB: To be honest, I don't believe he has truly changed his mind. Now that being said is he advocating and stating he does, yes. So the question becomes why? According to all the things I've heard, I believe he is doing it for financial reasons and the media attention.

    Pam Hobbs: She is a little harder for me to understand. One time she will say she thinks they are innocent or at least imply it, then next time she says she doesn't know but thinks they deserve a new trial. So the question again becomes why?
    I think it's more complicated in some respects and about the same as JMB in others. Once again according to what I've heard, I believe she hopes to reap some financial reward as well, but I think the crux of her remarks are spite towards her ex-husband. I believe she wants TH back (based on what I've heard), but in lieu of that she hopes to ruin his life and helping the defense is a good way of accomplishing that. Unfortunately I believe she is also ruining her relationship with their daughter. Amanda has consistently defended Terry as recently as the Larry King show. I also believe Pam has a difficult time dealing with her grief, she has had her share of troubles with the police, drugs, assaulting her mom, her daughter. ( I am by no means judging her as I would probably fall to pieces in her place).

    This is another thing I've heard and I believe, but then again this whole post is just my opinion. I heard that the defense, namely Lorri Davis offered Amanda a new car and money to go to a hypnotist and see if she could be hypnotized into remembering anything that would help the defense and to not see her father. There was a article where Terry accused Lorri, but Lorri denied it. So it becomes a he said/she said. It's not that I necessarily believe Terry, but by the accounts I've heard Amanda and Todd Moore agree it was Lorri Davis.

    That is my opinion of the two parents that at least seemed to have changed their minds.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    middle tennessee
    Posts
    1,092
    are we allowed to discuss/interject unsubstantiated rumors? i'm only saying this because you simply said you "heard" some of the things you posted. if there is a report or link to this information i would like to see it, please.
    Hinky Dinky Parlez Vous!-Sleuthy Gal

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    65
    Quote Originally Posted by EntreNous View Post
    are we allowed to discuss/interject unsubstantiated rumors?

    My post clearly states all through it that it's my opinion. Now if this isn't allowed could an ADMIN please let me know? I would also kindly request that if a post is in question that others follow the rules of service and report it as abuse, therefore letting the Admins decide. Thank you

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    177
    No-I was looking for opinion-guess I should have made that clear. It's really all we have unless we talk to JMB or PH personally.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    49
    I think the abject poverty and lack of education that is common to most of the involved parties plays a big part. PH has, I think been almost brainwashed into changing her mind, by those she sees as better than her ie more educated and affluent. MB will say anything to either garner some more attention for himself or to take suspicion away from him. He turned on TH once the hair was found because too many people were supporting the wm3 and therefore were still highly suspicious of him. If he could push those suspicions towards someone else, well why not?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    110
    It's really all we have unless we talk to JMB or PH personally.
    Well, I have - on many occations over the years.

    In fact, Mark asked me five years ago to help him find an attorney who would file a wrongful death civil suit against Echols so he could tap into the Lorri Davis cash cow which was reportedly nearing a million dollars at the time.

    So whilst Entrenous may claim that sunnyone's post is "unsubstantiated rumor", the fact is, what she said is indeed accurate, and documented.

    But you don't need to take our word for it.

    For example:

    Byers regrets that he didn’t get more money for appearing in the documentaries and swears he’s not going to do another. A few minutes later, he corrects this. He might, if he has a contract and a lawyer by his side.

    “This is news to me,” Jackie Byers laughs.

    “Oh, yeah. I’ve got a different aspect on it. They would pay me big money,” he says.


    http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/...nt?oid=1129741

    And Pam?

    Well, as she told me, things aren't often as they seem.

    But let's have a look at what she had to say about Mara Leveritt after she "came out" as a supporter, and Mara refused to help her financially:

    Everyone that has followed this case know I have always talked freely about my feeling which was a method of healing for me. However I have always resented the fact that there are some who have made money due to my life my lost and my words.
    I recently ask for help from someone whom I thought might help me with a loan. Not being one to ask for anything from someone it was awakard for me to ask to begin with.
    I ask Mara Leverett ( Devil's Knot) for a loan. In which she told me she could not help due to her fugual means of living. She suggested that I write WM3.ORG if anyone had a used car I could have that I would get more response than asking for money.
    The feeling of humilation was overwhelming like I said I never wanted to ask. I learned a valuable lesson and that is to no longer waste my time on Journalist and will limit my comments made public because I have come to realize there are people such as Mara who say they care I will do anything I can to help then when I ask I am told I am sorry I cant help.
    Once again someday this nightmare will be over for the public but continues for me for the rest of my life along with the WM3 men. We are all victims of public knowledge, public record. We are no longer plain Jane Doe Or Jon Doe we are only a matter of the public our lifes are no longer private such as others who are fortunate to live their life in private.
    I did not post this to ask anyone for help just wanted to make it known I am human also with no private life anymore.

    Pam


    If you are still confused about Pam's motivation, then it's by choice.

    I think the abject poverty and lack of education that is common to most of the involved parties plays a big part.
    See?

    You don't have to talk to these parents, you don't have to know what they were dealing with - you don't even have to be from this country.

    You just have to be a rational person who objectively looks at the situation.
    Last edited by Dirty larry; 10-12-2010 at 10:45 PM.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    110
    Just to add....

    Why do you suppose Mara told Pam it would be better to ask for a car than cash?

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Avalon
    Posts
    13,613
    ....because a cash payment from WM3 to PH would look make her support for the WM3 look financially motivated.

    Question: what kind of funds does WM3.ORG have? Are they particularly well funded? A million dollars? That's a lot more that I would have expected....does it provide an income from a number of people or just DE's wife?

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    110
    I certainly can't think of any other explaination.

    Here's some help for those who drank the supporter kool-aid, that the Defense held this "meeting" where Pam and Mark were "exposed to this new evidence" that changed their minds.

    Pam "turned" in july, when the DNA results were in. (and when Elizibeth Fowler wrote her and Terry checks for $12,500.00 each.)

    Mark spent the next three months doing everything in his power to discredit Pam, calling her a junky and a money grubbing whore who embezzled cash from a victim's support group and who was only playing supporter for the money.

    It wasn't until Ron Lax payed Mark a visit in October that he decided to join the party.

    I know this because I spoke to him on the phone that very day, and he told me quite clearly that Lax told him there was "plenty to go around".


  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Avalon
    Posts
    13,613
    Oh dear. That is so sad but understandable. In all honesty the families should have been taken care of....do they not have victims compensation in the states? Not that it's so great here, but it's something. How wrong is it that the WM3 is getting financial donations but the actual victims are left out in the cold.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    110
    I LOVE the fact that Mark is cashing in, I just don't like how he chose to do it.

    But he and Terry will sort that when the press leaves.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    Oh dear. That is so sad but understandable. In all honesty the families should have been taken care of....do they not have victims compensation in the states? Not that it's so great here, but it's something. How wrong is it that the WM3 is getting financial donations but the actual victims are left out in the cold.
    It is wrong, especially considering the dire situations some of these families are in. It's also very frustrating that Damien's assertations that he would influence the world and be remembered would usually be written off as the delusions of a mad man, and in this case it's proved to be true, which only feeds his particular brand of insanity!

  14. #14
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Avalon
    Posts
    13,613
    Quote Originally Posted by aussiesleuth View Post
    It is wrong, especially considering the dire situations some of these families are in. It's also very frustrating that Damien's assertations that he would influence the world and be remembered would usually be written off as the delusions of a mad man, and in this case it's proved to be true, which only feeds his particular brand of insanity!
    Way wrong, and yes agree that Damien has got his wish, he's getting a massive amount of attention and even admiration....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty larry View Post
    I LOVE the fact that Mark is cashing in, I just don't like how he chose to do it.

    But he and Terry will sort that when the press leaves.
    I hope they are, they both deserve it for what they've been subjected to, not just losing their sons but being used as SODDIs by the defense, and having their names dragged through the mud under the spotlight of the media.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    110
    Question: what kind of funds does WM3.ORG have?
    Considerably less once Burnett forced them to acknowledge on their web-site that none of the money they collected actually went to the Defense of the WM3.

    Instead, those funds were simply to "raise awareness".
    A million dollars? That's a lot more that I would have expected
    That's the Damien Echols defense fund, and that figure is over three years old.

    Another thing to bear in mind is that Rollins and Vedder paid the attornies directly for the DNA testing.

    So is Lorri's money going to the attorneys?

    Here's Riordan at the 2007 press conference:

    Question: Can you tell me about the Defense Fund?

    Dennis Riordan: Well, I’ll tell you what I know about that. What I know about that is that Lorri Davis, the wife of Damien Echols contacted us in 2003 and said, you know, we’ve been told you guys know federal habeas corpus, will you get involved in this case? And we said we’re lawyers in San Francisco, it requires – you’re unhappy with the level investigation and factual investigation, so you need that on the ground in Arkansas. How can we possibly do this? And she has said work on the case and I will find a way to raise funds. And all we know is that every now and then we contact her and say, Lorri we haven’t heard from you in awhile, and she says I’ll get to work on this.


    So she clearly hadn't been paying him at that point.

    How about Baldwin's attorney, John Phillipsborn?

    Here he is in 2008....

    John Philipsborn, a San Francisco lawyer for Baldwin, said he took the case after rock band Pearl Jam and punk rocker Henry Rollins raised money for DNA testing of evidence from the killings. That money, which Philipsborn described as entering the "tens of thousands" of dollars, came six years ago along with a small lump sum for the attorneys on the case.

    Since then, Philipsborn said he and attorneys representing Misskelley haven't seen matching funding, though an Internet site about the case asks supporters to donate to the "Damien Echols Trust Fund."

    "If a million dollars has been raised, I know nothing about that," Philipsborn told The Associated Press from Honolulu. "I think it is fair to say after the amazing generosity of Pearl Jam and Henry Rollins, the non-Echols teams have not seen a lot of funding."


    Looks like Lorri is doing pretty well for herself.
    Last edited by Dirty larry; 10-13-2010 at 04:49 PM.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast