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    I dont care what the verdict is-it wont be enough. Not nearly enough, not close. This is a DP case-I am not just being reactionary. This is special circumstances with a serial offender.

    The DA's office is looking weak. Like they do not trust or believe in their own case.

    Shame is not enough for everyone who failed this child. It is extremely representive of how intimidated everyone was by Abby-had I seen bruises or blistering on that little one I would have absolutely taken her to be evaluated right away. No chances, no ultimatums giving bio mom a month to get it done. Who cares whether or lucas was living in the home or not? He clearly the xfactor. Too little too late-what an incredible burden for those left behind.

    I feel for everyone one associated with this case-the emergency personnel who never had a proper chance to save her, who had to bear witness to her injuries, for LE who had to witness the depths of this depravity, to the children who witnessed the torture this baby was experiencing for months.

    My sympathy is waning for those who could have prevented this and didnt, as well as those who might have gone for a measure of justice but opted for a safety net.
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    As for the 12-24 hours? I dont know about that... I just dont see the timeline being that far back.
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    I wonder if the DA's office wants him behind bars, hopefully forever, so they can build a stronger murder case against him. I also think that momster will have a VERY hard time in prison and may turn states evidence against him. Especially if she is assaulted in prison.

    Ihave stated this before, but I can NOT understand why parents abuse, or allow abuse to one child in a family? What is it about these monsters that they can do this? I appreciate all of you putting information on the thread for us. I just hope the jury puts away Coe FOREVER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    As for the 12-24 hours? I dont know about that... I just dont see the timeline being that far back.
    It is interesting that the ME appeared to testify that some of Emma's internal injuries were older, like maybe a month old? So, in my opinion, this baby was being tortured.

    On another note - I agree the DA's look weak. Totally agree.

    I did not follow AY's case (I refuse to give this ????? a name). I'm wondering if the DA backed off murder charges for Coe because AY was convicted on a lesser charge? From what I'm reading, I understand that the jury didn't convict her on the most serious charges.

    I'll have to go back and see if I can figure out what her original charges were and what she was convicted for.

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    I am waiting, practically holding my breath, for a verdict here and court hasn't even opened, let alone started yet.

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    I always found the statement by Coe's original Atty of record very interesting:

    Coe's attorney says there is no evidence that connects his client to the sexual assault.

    “I saw nothing in the file that would indicate how he could have perpetuated the crime he was indicted for,” said Bert Steinmann, Coe's attorney. “I am clueless as to how they are connecting him with committing the sexual assault.”

    Statement analysis is something I know very little about - but even I see that Mr Steinmann left out a very important word or two - innocent or not guilty. He made made three remarks, yet never said "He didn't do it!" Oh yeah; then he quit!
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    Re: defense for Lucas Coe - expert witness - Coe's atty dumped Emma's blanket, pillow and sheet on the evidence table yesterday - saying this is all they have and there is no blood or connection to Coe.

    It appears the defense did not share all the evidence with their own paid witness.

    George is involved in the Innocence Project in Louisiana.

    George said he reviewed all of the evidence but did not know samples of blood which was Emma's was in the Game Room, Bathroom (upstairs), toilet seat, 2 places on door, Top Seat in entry, blanket with Lucas Coe's semen, Emma's blood and Lucas Coe's DNA found in small dot of blood mixture in bathroom, etc.

    We have heard about not enough evidence in this case - we have heard about other cases where there was but ONE tiny piece of DNA that got a conviction

    Well here it is... they found a spot that contained Emma's blood and Coe's DNA in the bathroom. (After the gifted nurse used bleach to remove the evidence) If I were the prosecution in this case I would have been shouting this from the rooftop - But instead they let it be brought out by the defense...

    The good thing about it was it refutes whatever the defense has to say about Coe not being involved... The bad thing IMO is that it proves the state did a very poor job with this case, beginning with Abby Young!

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    The original charge was Felony Injury to a Child - rape was added after the autopsy proved the assault.

    Coe and Young each faced five to 99 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000 on the injury to a child charges.

    Coe faced an additional 25 years to life - with no early parole, for the first-degree felony charge of Aggravated Sexual Assault of a child under 6 yrs.


    Salem: Re Straddle injury - a straddle injury occurs when (in this case) a girl sits on or falls on an object - for instance when I was 5ish I decided to take my older brother's much too big bicycle for a ride. I propped it to climb on and then took off - with legs too short to sit and reach, I was stuck standing on the pedals, straddling the bar - this worked (poorly) until I hit a parked car and came down hard on the that bar, 45 yrs later I still remember that it HURT! I had a small cut and a good size bruise but no real "injury" and no lasting damage and obviously there was no penetration.

    This is how the defense wants the jury (people) to believe Emma had such a horrific tear. I would like to know what sort of object (aside from the obvious) AY had in her house that would cause the type of injury Emma received and what amount of force would be required to do the damage!

    Did she jump off the roof and land on a butchers knife? I cannot believe Aside from Coe raping her, that there is any other way this baby was so very badly hurt. And when we are talking about a four year old (three year old when this started) - torture is the only word that applies.
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    update from Ann at the Courthouse posted at 9:35 pacific time (45 minutes ago):

    The prosecution has completed their closing argument and the case has been turned over to the jury.......

    Justice is coming, sweet Emma......

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    LCOAST, I am holding my breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    As for the 12-24 hours? I dont know about that... I just dont see the timeline being that far back.

    I should have been more specific...while I realize she had older, healing injuries, I do not believe the severed pancreas, tearing, and head fracture as well as split lip happened 12-24 hours before she died.

    If Abby was buying super-glue at 843PM+ or -, it was not for an injury that old.
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    Thanks for the update LCoast. I have been on pins and needles all day. I can't see how they could possibly fail to find him guilty, so therefore I am a wreck that I'm being too optimistic. Emma must have justice!

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    Originally Posted by Salem
    I did not follow AY's case (I refuse to give this ????? a name). I'm wondering if the DA backed off murder charges for Coe because AY was convicted on a lesser charge? From what I'm reading, I understand that the jury didn't convict her on the most serious charges.
    I think something caused the state to deliberately softball the part AY played in the death of her daughter. I don't think they charged her as they should have and then they couldn't throw the book at Coe - without his attorney going nuts about the difference in the charges...

    Had they charged her as an accessory - after coming home and finding Emma unconscious, she called the doctor (6:30) - then she went back out to the store and bought glue (7:00) - they must have bathed her (although I don't remember hearing that in her trial) called the doctor back (8:30) then left to take Emma to the "ER" (right!) - AFTER 9PM!!

    The first person on the scene was a nurse coming home from work - she found Emma laid out on the hood of AY's car - she believed Emma had passed away but did CPR anyway. She said Emma never inhaled and her eyes were rolled back in her head. (this came out at Coe's trial - we didn't hear this before!)

    AY left with Emma - then Coe is heard on the cell phone telling someone "Emma is dead, mom - She's gone"

    They conspired to clean up and destroy evidence! They are equally responsible for the death of little Emma - yet neither is charged!!

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    I am going with influence peddling in AY's case....just a theory. After all, didnt Abby's mom make sure she headed back to work at a hospital shortly after Emma died, or do I have the wrong end of the stick? Once someone complained, Abby left and worked at a flower shop. Do I have that correct?
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    nothing yet? I am so grieved about this, no matter what it wont be enough but let it be something anyways....anyone got a twitter that's updating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2goldfish View Post
    nothing yet? I am so grieved about this, no matter what it wont be enough but let it be something anyways....anyone got a twitter that's updating?
    Here is a link to Mayra Beltran's twitter with Houston Chron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    LCOAST, I am holding my breath.
    Thank You!! I have been too!

    I'm the only one home, but I know I'm not sitting vigil alone!

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    I've been searching the Harris Co Court records as a distraction - so far I've only found her appeal and the history of her actions without the transcripts but, not ready to quit! If they are there I will find them!

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    From the defense:

    Emma had 70 bruises on her body when she died, some of those bruises may have actually come from when doctors and nurses were performing CPR on Baby Emma.*

    The defense has asked jurors not to 'be herded like sheep into a guilty verdict.' They have asked for jurors' courage, stamina and an open mind.

    "They're going to try to overwhelm you with emotions," said defense attorney Rick DeToto. "They're going to try to take away your common sense and your judgment with emotions."

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=7679464
    * If she never regained a heartbeat the bruises were not caused by resuscitation attempts!

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    Reality Chatter's Snaz (admin) is also getting updates (texts or phone calls) from Ann from the courthouse.

    http://www.realitychatter.com/missin...-t2705-280.htm

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    Defense lawyers for Lucas Coe, a Houston man accused of raping his girlfriend’s 4-year-old daughter shortly before her June 2009 death argued this morning that the girl suffered vaginal trauma because of a straddle fall.

    Coe’s attorney, Rick DeToto, pointed to testimony by gynecologist Dr. Michael Heard, who examined autopsy photos and reports on the body of Emma Thompson. Heard testified that the child’s vaginal area had abrasions consistent with a fall.
    “The abrasions he pointed out are not consistent with sexual assault,” DeToto told jurors.

    Prosecutors maintained the 28-year-old Coe spent weeks babysitting his girlfriend’s children, then raped the pre-schooler as other children swam in a backyard pool.
    “He’s not going to go right in there and rape her,” said Assistant Harris County District Attorney Colleen Barnett. “He’s going to groom her.”

    In a whisper to jurors, Barnett said Coe worked to lure the child then cleaned up the crime scene. “That little girl probably bled everywhere,” Barnett said.

    Jurors in visiting state District Judge Doug Shaver’s court began deliberating Coe’s fate after closing arguments. He is charged with super aggravated sexual assault of a child and could be convicted of a lesser charge of indecency with a child.

    “She was dying a slow, painful death due to blunt force trauma to her abdomen,” Barnett said.

    Prosecutors said Young lied to investigators about whether Coe had been living with her and babysitting the girl. Coe is not charged in her death. Barnett told jurors Coe was prosecuted for the super aggravated charge rather than murder because it carries a potentially stricter punishment.

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    I really do get confused about how charges work. what is the max sentence for what this POS is being charged with, and if he walks can they bring murder charges later?

    if he does NOT walk, can they bring murder charges later? I was under the impression there is no statute of limitation on a murder? is it only the first degree kind?

    I just wondered, remembering darlie routier was actually only charged for the death of one of the children....so the DA could fix what went wrong and charge for the other death if she walked, which she did not.


    eta read what you posted as I was posting this, lcoastmom...I am not sure that makes me feel better or not...maybe....I agree, the more the better...

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    I think the prosecution must be weak, because the case is not especially if there was a mix of his DNA and hers in a blood spot AND his semen on her blankets and pillow.

    I think he decided to knock her out, and then "what the heck, might as well rape her" seeing as how she could not resist any longer, or ever be able to tell. I think he just pounded the daylights out of her simply because he is rattlesnake mean.

    And so is Abby. What kind of woman is she in the end? Look at what she gave up for some arm candy and a permanent STD.

    This case has wounded me beyond reason; I cannot even imagine the suffering of those who knew and loved Emma.
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    If any local media is out there, please debrief us when the trial is over. Because we are gobsmacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2goldfish View Post
    I really do get confused about how charges work. what is the max sentence for what this POS is being charged with, and if he walks can they bring murder charges later?

    The maximum is life (no parole) the minimum is 25 years (no parole) - if found guilty of super aggravated assault...

    if he does NOT walk, can they bring murder charges later? I was under the impression there is no statute of limitation on a murder? is it only the first degree kind?

    Murder charges can always be added - but I'll be surprised as all get out if that happens - unless it can proved someone in the DA's office acted improperly in bringing the charges that they decided to file - even then I will be surprised... His lawyer will say "you had your chance, it's not his fault you didn't act on it..."

    I just wondered, remembering darlie routier was actually only charged for the death of one of the children....so the DA could fix what went wrong and charge for the other death if she walked, which she did not.


    eta read what you posted as I was posting this, lcoastmom...I am not sure that makes me feel better or not...maybe....I agree, the more the better...


    Sorry, I went back to searching and missed this - used Blue to answer above

    I agree more is better - IMO they would not have been found innocent, but if they got a mistrial or hung jury - they could have tried again or settled on lesser charges. Still IMO it would have been worth the try!

    What Colleen said today is he could be convicted of a lesser charge of "indecency with a child", if they don't find him guilty of super aggravated. I'll be surprised if that happens in light of the injury - if there was only the HPV, no rape, that might be reasonable.

    (He is still facing charges on the crime of sexual abuse of his daughter - unsure of what the charges will be and physical/emotional abuse of the lil boy.)

    I believe they should have thrown the book at both of them, Coe murdered this baby as much as if he had used a gun. She became his accomplice when she went out and bought and used super glue on this baby, washed away the evidence and failed to give her the needed medical care she deserved.

    I believe she was found guilty of a lessor charge because of the questions brought up in trial, the failure to bring up certain evidence that would have implicated her.

    They were both originally charged with the same crime - how could the state allow her daughter to speak for the defense of Abby but for the prosecution of Coe?

    Fingers are crossed! I hope this ends soon!


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    Emma's sister is going to have a tough time of it...I cant imagine having to point the finger at my own mother...which is likely why they didnt do that to her. JMO.
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    I am going to out Barnett one last time-I spoke with her on the day of Abby's sentencing because a hard working sleuther had managed to come up with a headstone for Emma at no charge to bio dad. Barnett told me flat out that there was no need because the DA's office had taken up a collection.

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    Oops - I forgot the link in the above post (from 1:58) and missed the one hour edit time (by one minute) sorry!

    From : Defense lawyers for Lucas Coe....


    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7210907.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Emma's sister is going to have a tough time of it...I cant imagine having to point the finger at my own mother...which is likely why they didnt do that to her. JMO.
    I agree. I don't think she should have been used in either trial. When she gets older she is going to understand what part her mother played in the death of her sister - I believe it was wrong to use her by the defense of her mom and the prosecution of Coe.

    Ann said she provided an important time line (have no idea what else she was asked or said except to speak about the MST BDRM door being locked.)

    If I believed that was all that was asked of her, I wouldn't feel this way - but my gut is she was used and IMO that is wrong!

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    Ann just reported that Lucas Coe has been found guilty.

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