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    Quote Originally Posted by IWannaKnow View Post
    Thanks believe, but that is just so WRONG! I understand they have a right to a fair trial, but I don't think that omission of important facts like their prior history is necessary for that. A person is not a single event in time, they are a collection of traits and behaviors which lead them to do certain things....clearly I wouldn't make an exemplary juror.

    FWIW I DO think OJ did it - glove be damned.
    O/T there was no question. The gloves didnt fit because they were caked with blood and they shrunk as leather will do when saturated and then dried. He had no incentive to put them on UNLESS they did not fit.

    But the lack of priors concerning Nicole-man, that was what hurt the case IMO as well as the cops whose records were tinged. Unfortunately...the statute is REASONABLE doubt, not ANY doubt.
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    On Thursday, the jury watched videotaped testimony from Thompson's 11-year-old sister. She says on the day Emma died, she heard a loud bang from the kitchen. The sister saw Coe with Emma who was bleeding from her head.
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    There goes the fall from the toilet theory. The crime scene was the kitchen?

    ETA: so he bashes her head in and then sends her for a nap. Uh huh.
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    What a horrible case! I'm in law school taking Evidence now and we are in the midst of this character evidence stuff and why it's inadmissible. I am the only person in the class that says they want to go into prosecution - everyone else wants to work for the defense or the ACLU. My professor is a seated judge and he's great - but as much as I "get" why these things are prejudicial, I still have a hard time accepting it in cases like this, my God!

    I think things are bound to change when it comes to sexual preditors though. Things are slow to change, but we must be able to show past bad acts of a sexual nature when trying these guys.

    I should take this case into those wet behind the ears kids who think they want to be defense attorneys. It would be tough to defend a guy like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggy View Post
    What a horrible case! I'm in law school taking Evidence now and we are in the midst of this character evidence stuff and why it's inadmissible. I am the only person in the class that says they want to go into prosecution - everyone else wants to work for the defense or the ACLU. My professor is a seated judge and he's great - but as much as I "get" why these things are prejudicial, I still have a hard time accepting it in cases like this, my God!

    I think things are bound to change when it comes to sexual preditors though. Things are slow to change, but we must be able to show past bad acts of a sexual nature when trying these guys.

    I should take this case into those wet behind the ears kids who think they want to be defense attorneys. It would be tough to defend a guy like this.
    Ziggy, would you please? Because aside from defending him, and he is entitled to his defense, I want to know why the prosecution did not stack the charges and include first degree murder. They have a witness and it is special circumstances because of the age of the victim and the rape, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Prejudicial. And I agree it is. BUT-he should have to own up to it anyway because that is what my moral compass tells me. So you can see why I am not a defendant in this trial...I have a moral compass.

    All defense attornies try to keep autopsy and crime scene photos out of the trial. For the same reason. It is a standard plea. Only INCREDIBLY rarely does that happen. Because the jury has a need, for the most part, to see what the results of the crime are. The only case I can remember where they were kept out, I believe the SJC overturned the ruling. IIRC. I am a little foggy today.

    I dont get the rationale behind the charge. We are all struggling regarding it, we are all struggling with Abby's charge as well. I wish the media would take an interest and explain it in words of one syllable to me.
    The law is there to protect the criminal, rather than the public, who is at risk from someone like Coe. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but just cause is also important. If someone does the same thing repeatedly, there needs to be a way to let the jurors know the type of person and type of crimes that have been committed by this person previously. I hope Ziggy is right, that the system will change. I am sorry your class mates want to defend criminals, rather than prosecute them. I know there are lawyers of every type needed, but I think a lot of counties, states etc. are lacking in enough good prosecuting attorneys. This is all IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    O/T there was no question. The gloves didnt fit because they were caked with blood and they shrunk as leather will do when saturated and then dried. He had no incentive to put them on UNLESS they did not fit.

    But the lack of priors concerning Nicole-man, that was what hurt the case IMO as well as the cops whose records were tinged. Unfortunately...the statute is REASONABLE doubt, not ANY doubt.
    Has anyone here ever tried to put shoes or mittens on a toddler? Remember how OJ held his hands so stiffly. I have wondered over and over why the cases were tried together. It just would have made so much more sense to try him for one murder, learn from any mistakes and then try him on the other murder. This is also IMO only.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IWannaKnow View Post
    Could someone explain for my poor, feeble brain why Coe's history is not admissible in court for basically the exact same crime as his previous crimes?????????? Why is showing predilection inadmissable? If it is illegal to molest little girls, and you can prove that a person likes to molest little girls because they have in the past, isn't that an indicator of their future behavior????? WHY IS INFORMING THE JURY OF THEIR PAST BEHAVIOR PREJUDICIAL - AREN'T WE SIMPLY INFORMING THE JURY ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THIS INDIVIDUAL???? If a little girl is dead, covered with bruises and lacerations and Coe was the last adult person with her why are the autopsy photos inadmissible?????? If you cannot be judged on your past behavior, why do they keep a record of speeding tickets and traffic violations? By this logic, I shouldn't be speeding any more, or parking in the wrong place.... What am I missing here?

    TIA to anyone who can make me understand this....I know this doesn't apply to just this crime, but I really cannot understand this "principle".
    I think this may partially explain why THIS jury won't hear about his prior bad behavior. I want to know why he had not been prosecuted for these alleged crimes, the abuse against this little boy - had been going on for such a long time!

    By TERRI LANGFORD - HOUSTON CHRONICLE - Aug. 1, 2009 (snipped)

    Two more children who had contact with Lucas Ruric Coe were taken into protective custody Friday after Texas Child Protective Services confirmed one, a 4-year-old girl, had been sexually abused.

    The 27-year-old Coe has been investigated by CPS three times in recent years
    in the physical abuse of another girlfriend's child. As a result of one of those cases — unrelated to Emma's death — Coe has been indicted in Montgomery County on one count of injury to a child. He has not yet gone to trial.

    “A new report was generated as a result of a child death investigation involving Mr. Coe with Harris County Protective Services.” Carter said. “We needed to take custody.”

    Young testified this week in a hearing to determine temporary custody of her other children, that she had nothing to do with Emma's death and did not see anyone harm her daughter.

    CPS' action on Friday came after the 4-year-old Montgomery County girl told medical staff she had been touched inappropriately, according to an affidavit filed with a Montgomery County court. An exam confirmed the girl had been sexually abused, Carter said.

    The other child, a 9-year-old boy, had not been sexually abused but was living in the same home. Both children were taken late Friday and placed into a foster home. CPS' investigation is continuing.
    Time line & Police records show Coe was arrested in 3 counties (Montgomery, Harris and Galveston)!

    04/20/01 - Driving While Intoxicated (age 19) (misdemeanor) -

    02/22/02 - Sentenced - 30 days in jail, fine, and court costs.

    12/21/02 - Aggravated Assault Causes Serious Bodily Injury (second-degree felony)

    Arrested after intentionally crashing his vehicle into a car occupied by several people, badly breaking one man's leg, during a fight over a woman

    03/18/03 - sentenced to 6 yrs probation

    11/21/03 - Failure to Stop and Give Information-

    01/20/04 - charges dismissed -

    03/13/04 - Criminal Mischief (misdemeanor) –

    09/21/04 - sentenced - fined and court costs

    01/13/05 - Montgomery County indicted for Serious Bodily Injury to a Child (first-degree felony) – awaiting trial

    05/21/05 -DWI #2 –

    05/16/06 - 1 year in jail (suspended) + 1 year of probation

    03/21/07 - Motion to revoke probation based on non-compliance of probation

    09/21/07 - Motion was withdrawn when the judge discovered Coe had been indicted in another county

    09/27/07 - charged in Montgomery County with Bodily Injury to a Child (third-degree felony) – awaiting trial involving the son of a former GF

    02/28/08 - arraigned on the Sept. 27, 2007 charge.

    03/18/09 - - completed 6 yrs probation

    06/08/09 - CPS was notified a 3 yr old Emma Thompson had herpes in her mouth, vagina and on her hands. Mother claimed the father, Ben Thompson is the only man who had access to Emma

    06/18/09 - Doctor at Texas Children's Hospital determines no sexual abuse - case closed!

    06/27/09 - Emma Thompson died after she was beaten and savagely raped according to her autopsy - previous physical abuse and a herpes infection noted. (a skull fracture, scalp laceration & hemorrhage, a severed pancreas, and vaginal tearing & hemorrhage 80 bruises)

    08/10/09 - first-degree felony Serious Bodily Injury to a Child (Emma Thompson)

    After finally giving a urine sample (three days after the judge requested) his bail was reduced to $100,000, he was released from the Harris County Jail!

    01/06/10 - He was arrested and booked into the Montgomery County Jail on a bench warrant, a warrant for injury to a child, and a warrant for failure to appear from the court of Pct. 3 Justice of the Peace Edie Connelly.

    01/12/10 - reindicted in Montgomery County for Serious Bodily Injury to a Child.


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    That's an impressive set of priors-journalists, inquiring minds want to know...isnt this worth some commentary?
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    Sister of victim testifies in toddler rape case


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    Isn't it tho? Right now it just makes me sad and tired. He is so young, he was so very young when all this bad behavior began. Somehow I doubt the DWI was his first run in, or the first time he showed very, bad behavior, so what is his story?

    I remember his sister coming to his defense - early in this huge mess, saying he would never do any of the horrible things he had been charged with. Then someone got ahold of her MySpace or FaceBook acct and tried publishing her children's names and photos on public websites, which of course lead to death threats and angry replies. Not cool.

    Sad for Emma's sister who again had to testify - she's 11 years old, isn't it bad enough she had to live this the first and second times? IIRC she had said (during Abby's trial) the kitchen fall (where she found Emma in Coe's arms, with a bleeding cut on her head) happened in the AM - Abby's story about the BR fall happened in the PM - after she left Coe alone with the girls for an hour while she grocery shopped.

    I don't really know how much we can trust the 11 yr olds memory - since Abby had custody and after Emma died, she seemed to have begun drilling the kids with Coe never hurt any of them - before she even opened the door to the house - all three girls were examined after Emma tested positive for herpes - yet Abby got away with the lie about no boyfriends anywhere - she was after all, still married to Ben HMPHHH!

    Poor baby Emma, how can a mother be so heartless...

    Yep, right now I'm just very tired and sad.
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    From above link....

    The mother, Abigail Young, is serving a 20-year sentence for failing to protect her daughter. She is not expected to testify in this trial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LCoastMom View Post
    From above link....

    The mother, Abigail Young, is serving a 20-year sentence for failing to protect her daughter. She is not expected to testify in this trial.
    Yes, I expected to see that. It would be too confusing for the jury I think, unless she was willing to say what her actual role was in all of this. And, GOD forbid, what if her role was bigger?

    I think it is a good call to keep her out, BUT I think she has an obligation to Emma to stand up and tell the truth. As we have seen clearly, she feels an obligation to herself. She saved her own skin time and time again. There is a nice learned behavior...kind of tempting to wonder about her childhood as well.
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    ((hugs)) Lcoastmom. I am with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintr View Post
    I wish there was more coverage of this trial! Wasn't Emma's older half sister due to testify?
    I ran across this site where someone who's attending the trial each day is posting daily updates to let everyone know what's happening in the courtroom. Lots of interesting info that the media isn't covering - the updates begin on page 7:

    http://www.realitychatter.com/missin...-t2705-120.htm

    Mods - If this link isn't allowed, please delete. I searched the forum rules before posting and didn't find any prohibitions in linking to other forums. Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousTwo View Post
    I ran across this site where someone who's attending the trial each day is posting daily updates to let everyone know what's happening in the courtroom. Lots of interesting info that the media isn't covering - the updates begin on page 7:

    http://www.realitychatter.com/missin...-t2705-120.htm

    Mods - If this link isn't allowed, please delete. I searched the forum rules before posting and didn't find any prohibitions in linking to other forums. Thank you!

    Thank you for the link as horrendous as it was to read (((HUGS))) to Ann for going to trial, Poor baby Emma, her mother had called the doctor :

    6:30 pm
    6:31 pm
    8:22 pm
    8:25 pm
    8:29 p.m

    The Answering service answered all calls through 8:25. Dr. Sane called Young at 8:29. The call lasted 9 minutes. Young said Emma was having painful urination and her urine smelled real bad.
    Really is that all that you noticed you POC????

    Where was Abby after grocery shopping mid afternoon per the neighbor??? What happened between 6:31 and 8:22?

    Note Emma was in bed all day, but her POC momster waited until after hours to call the pediatrician!!

    This gifted RN needed to call the pediatrician 5 times but couldn't take it on herself to go the ER! I call BS! (did Abby call Luke, from the corner? as he called his mom and said Emma had died) Worthless POS not deserving of the air he breathes!

    Two adults shared a home with Lil Emma - the photo's of Emma covered in bruises, with a horrific tear on her vagina - tell the story of that baby's last 24 hours of her life. Why did the DA not press both adults with Murder1, plus aggravated sexual assault??? I Wanna Know?!?!? The poster at the other site said the defense claiming Emma was not sexually abused was an insult to her intelligence... So why did the State of TX not prosecute these two adults who spent the day with Emma? - BOTH of them know what happened. BOTH OF THEM SHARE THE GUILT EQUALLY!


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