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    Superbugs In Three States

    New drug-resistant superbugs found in 3 states

    http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...Superbug.Gene/

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    I wonder if garlic would be effective against this one. It is effective against antibiotic resistant MRSA: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/5056.php

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    Oh gosh! This kinda thing freaks me out. I have anxiety attacks when I think about it.
    The whole H1N1 thing had me over the top with worry.

    I guess all we can do is pray this is contained and that all infected get better soon.

    Kinda wishing I would not have seen this thread. lol
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    The consequences of years of overuse and misuse of antibiotics. Even now people run to the doctor for a cold, and come out with a usually unnecessary px for an antibiotic. Then 3 days later (run of the mill viral symptoms) they feel better and shelve the remainder for the next time (or for the hubby, kid, neighbor ). Makes those little bugs stronger. I'll stick with hand washing, plain old soap and water.

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    Thank goodness doctors are starting to realize it and not hand out the antibiotics like candy.

    My boss gets LIVID if I'm sick and don't get antibiotics. The last time I was at the Dr. for the flu I made the doctor write my boss a note telling him that antibiotics wouldn't do any good and that I should rest, take Tylenol and drink water.

    I grew up in the antibiotic-happy 60's and my immune system was shot for a long time. It took a lot of hard work to build up good immunities.

    These bugs are very scarey. Wash hands - all the time, like you have something wrong with you because it will help!
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    I am in CA and my gf has been battling MRSA for 3 months. They keep giving her a cocktail of antibiotics and it won't work. so I wonder if it is one of these newer bugs?

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    JBean, sorry to hear about your gf...MRSA is a nasty bug indeed.

    We were talking about this in conference a week ago at my hospital; we students are religious about handwashing and isolation precautions, but we see Drs and RNs who don't wash...more Drs than RNs, to be honest.

    I've sent the linked article along to my instructor and to our charge nurse on the floor - hopefully, that will sorta push people into better hygiene than they've done before. Between the new flu (H1N1) and this superbug, and being the county hospital, we will be seeing a lot of bad stuff coming in the next few months.

    Thanks for posting...everyone should be aware of abx and their overuse, as well as a new hitchhiker gene like this one. Scary days indeed...

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    If there is no cure then the people in those states should start wearing masks and make it a ritual of washing their hands. They made a big deal of getting the shot for the pandemic and now two years later that shot doesn't work? I contracted MRSA from going to the gym. It spread throughout my entire household. Luckily the antibiotic that we received knocked it out. I was born with a weak immune system and I have to use prescription vitamins, a lot of orange juice and when I get sick antibiotics. Without that cocktail I could die.
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    ITA with other posters who blame the dispensation of antibiotics like candy for the growing resistance of illnesses to them.

    My MIL drives me nuts. I realize she comes form a place of love but she argues with me every time my kids have even the sniffles. She thinks every sniffle, every cough should predicate a visit to the doctor with some sort of prescription for antibiotics. I stand my ground. A cough, a sniffle, a fever even, does not require antibiotics. Fever in particular is not an illness and not necessarily bad. It is simply your body's engine revving up while it fights off whatever the ailment is.

    Winter is coming, and MIL and I will put on the gloves and duke it out yet again this years every time one of my kids sneeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    I am in CA and my gf has been battling MRSA for 3 months. They keep giving her a cocktail of antibiotics and it won't work. so I wonder if it is one of these newer bugs?
    Back in December of 2004 my oldest son contracted MRSA.

    At the time the local docs had seen very little of it and misdiagnosed him with impetigo. I had no reason to doubt that diagnosis because I had seen impetigo before many years ago and he was in contact with the HS locker rooms and contact sports and etc.

    Two days later this child was in serious condition in the pediatric ward of the local hospital. It wasn't impetigo but MRSA.

    We were lucky Jbean, he got IV antibiotics (it took 3 different ones before they were able to find one he responded to) and was improved within a week to 10 days.

    Let me just share, that as a Mom and especially as a Mom that has raised five kids (plus helped more than a few years with my step-daughers) I have NEVER EVER seen a child become that ill that quickly. I am pretty much the salt of the earth and it takes a lot to phase me. I did think at one time, I'm going to lose this boy. It was horrifying. They were on the verge of sending his Father back from Iraq.

    MRSA is beyond comprehention if someone hasn't seen it in action. JMHO.

    Simple hand washing with soap, garlic supplements may help to fend off normal run of the mill bacterial and viral infections but not MRSA. Not IMHO.

    I would be eager to see if the active ingredient could be extracted, purified and manipulated by scientists to help with MRSA though.

    Also, since I'm on a roll here LOL. My middle daughter had all signs of a kidney infection.

    Lower back ache on both sides, fever, urine smelled foul and was cloudy.

    Took her to the Docs. No antibiotics. She stayed sick. Took her back to doc twice that week as she kept getting sicker. Took her to the ER one night because she couldn't walk without pain and was actually crying with the pain. They did an MRI, blood panels, urine tests after she had been sick with fever of 101+ (that was with tylenol and other fever reducers on a 4 hour schedule for a week) for a week. After a week they put her on a Sulfa and she was feeling better and clear of symptoms within 48 hours. It wasn't her Ped. that prescribed the antibiotic but the ER Docs.

    IMHO, there is a kneejerk reaction going on with some docs about the overprescribing of antibiotics.

    But back to MRSA. What a horrifying infection. Just horrifying. JB I'll be praying for your friend because as long as she is fighting it in any way, she's a very sick person. JMHO.
    Last edited by Kat; 09-14-2010 at 01:25 PM. Reason: MOved a sentence that snuck down the post on me as I was typing LOL


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    I will tell you that almost everyone who works in patient care will be positive for MRSA as a carrier. As an RN I am exposed to EVERYTHING! Because I have, for the most part, a healthy immune system, MRSA stays at bay. This is different than having active disease. This is from exposure.

    In the early 90's, I worked with an infection control specialist. We were starting to see a LOT of MRSA patients, mostly from nursing homes or foreigners who had long term infections. He said that every room a known MRSA patient occupied had to be completely scrubbed down, curtains sanitized etc. The room than needed to be empty for at least 24 hours. Well, that did not only not go over well, but in ICU, where I worked, was basically ignored.

    In talking to other nurses I knew, this practice was not followed at any of the hospitals they worked in. Bottom line, we now have an MRSA explosion, with multiple carriers in every walk of life.

    Wash your hands, avoid contact with those that have an active infection, inless you take precautions to protect yourself. If you have a wound that doesn't look right, doesn't get better or if you develop other symptoms, go to your doctor or ER. This is a nasty bug!

    Remember, if you are in a hospital, the RN, LVN's and Aides will often wear gloves. This is not only to protect the caregiver from contracting germs, but to protect YOU from the germs of the caregiver or other patients. There have been many times patients were offended by the use of gloves, until I explained why they are used.

    There will be a super infection, that will kill many people. It is just a matter of when.

    As to the RN student. Thank you for choosing nursing! Don't forget the lessons you learn now and continue their practice in 'the real world'.

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    Never known anyone who dealt with MRSA but my youngest had menenghitis (sp?) when about a year old. Sceeered the carp out of me. Speaking of coming on real sick real fast. That was one time where I did rush him into the ER over a fever. It came on fast and HOT and nothing was working to get it down, not even the old loading dose trick.

    Rushed him into the ER and was so glad I did. They did the spinal tap and then rushed him to the childrens hospital for admitance to PICU. Scary scary week.

    Did not mean to make my post earlier sound flippant or anti-antibiotic. I just think in this two working parent world with daycare rules about sick children, a lot of parents run to the doctor to solve their sick kid problems with drugs when really all that is needed is time for the body to do what it needs to.

    Sometimes antibiotics IS the only answer. I just fear in this microwave generation we live in lots of folks do not know that sometimes your body knows what to do, you just need to give it time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Simple hand washing with soap, garlic supplements may help to fend off normal run of the mill bacterial and viral infections but not MRSA. Not IMHO.

    I would be eager to see if the active ingredient could be extracted, purified and manipulated by scientists to help with MRSA though.
    I am so sorry for your son's illness, but so relieved he made it through! Definitely a parent's worse nightmare.

    There has been quite a bit of research done on garlic. The trouble is, only fresh, raw garlic is effective. The potent chemical, allicin, degrades very quickly and cannot be converted into any kind of pharmaceutical. But garlic is cheap and plentiful, and it is worth smelling bad for a few days if it is effective against these superbugs, which research has confirmed over and over.

    Here is a page with a little more information: http://www.phytochemicals.info/phyto...ls/allicin.php
    " Fresh crushed garlic cloves generated antibacterial activity and chemically detectable allicin, but this activity declines on a daily basis in aqueous and ethanol solutions."

    And here is a link to published research demonstrating allicin's effectiveness against drug-resistant bacteria: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976

    I have had personal experience with the power of raw garlic while I was pregnant with my last baby. At 39 weeks, I developed a fever of 104 degrees and achiness in my uterus. As I felt this coming on, I took several cloves of garlic over the day, but once my fever surpassed acceptable level, I called my midwife who referred me to a doctor's care. After all tests were run over a two day period, including two amniocentesis to rule out intrauterine infection, I was sent home to await results. The doctor refused to prescribe any antibiotics for what she diagnosed as bacterial infection without knowing for sure which organism. By day four, I was feeling better and by day five, completely healthy again, without any antibiotics ever being prescribed. I'd only used raw garlic. Tests came back positive for gram-positive bacteria, but since I was better, no need for treatment. Two weeks later I had my planned home birth with no complications.

    Another little family anecdote: My grandparents were missionaries living in the tribal regions of Mexico from the '40s through the '90s. Access to medications of any sort was extremely limited. My grandpa claimed he could cure anything with garlic or Vitamin D. Research today is proving him right! LOL

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    California, Massachusetts and Illinois.................that is west, middle and north........USA
    anyone from these states?
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    I am in IL. I will carry on as usual, good old fashioned hand washing and avoiding sickies
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