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  1. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Gabriel's case? Two people have been charged in his case. Strange she would categorize his case as one in which someone acted alone.
    I'm not that familiar with his case. As she was talking, she made it sound like Gabe's mom is in jail but hasn't been charged with his murder? I guess she assumes his mother murdered him but acted alone and therefore LE is having a hard time charging her. She was giving his case as an example of how when someone acts alone it is much more difficult to prosecute without a body.

    Remember, she was speculating on why LE is scaling down and creating a new task force and also she feels TH is responsible for ending Kyron's life.


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    Pardon my ignorance please, but who is Pat Brown?


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    Pardon my ignorance please, but who is Pat Brown?

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Crimin...n/387068190642

    She's on Nancy Grace often.


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    This is the first time I have heard or even heard of Levi Page and Pat Brown. After listening, I'm not terribly impressed. Like Nancy Grace, Levi seems heavy on the bluster and sensationalism and light on substance; they could as easily be talking about ginsu knives on QVC. Pat Brown has strong speculative opinions but seems less well-informed than your average WSer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulaF513 View Post
    Pardon my ignorance please, but who is Pat Brown?
    A frequent flyer on the NG show and a popular guest panelist (another talking head MOO) who seems lately to be invited to oopine on every single nationally noticed criminal case.

    Two very good reasons I listen but don't take any of her opinions as gospel. She is a profiler and therefore deserving of my ear, but I find her a little too simplistic in her profiles and descriptions. I'm not a fan of people "dumbing" things down for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by desquire View Post
    This is the first time I have heard or even heard of Levi Page and Pat Brown. After listening, I'm not terribly impressed. Like Nancy Grace, Levi seems heavy on the bluster and sensationalism and light on substance; they could as easily be talking about ginsu knives on QVC. Pat Brown has strong speculative opinions but seems less well-informed than your average WSer.
    You made me laugh about Pat Brown. LOL Many posters don't like her, maybe because of that speculative nature she puts forth. I have a different take on her.

    The valuable thing about what PB says is everything she has either learned, or studied about and then used when it comes to understanding how different predators work. Think of all the things she knows. She is an expert at Serial Killers. I think all that knowledge she has in profiling can be used to apply to predatory criminals in general. Why they choose the victims they do, what they are likely to do in certain situations and how varied these people really are depending on what motivates them to commit a crime. I always appreciate her insight as it comes from experience and much study on her part. IMO


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    Let's not bash people please. I have removed one post due to name calling.

    It is okay to disagree with a public figure, it is not okay to bash them.

    I've also gotten a couple of alerts about negative comments regarding Levi as he is one of our members. We do allow more leeway with opinions about Levi since he is a public figure. However, please remember that he is a member here and has always been very kind to our members. We can disagree with him, but we can't bash him either.


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    I'm a big fan of Pat Brown and think she is very sensible and non emotional in her profiling. Her thinking that Kyron is deceased is very sad even though it seems that Kyron may not have been treated very well, and wouldn't be a suprise.


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    I don't particularly care for Pat Brown. She seems to rubber stamp all potential suspects or POI the same. I find her very repetitious.

    She may be an expert on serial killers but then most of the cases discussed on tv aren't about serial killers. I am not aware of any profile she did that helped the police discover who the serial killer was but maybe she has done so. I don't know anything about her actual work and only see her in the media as a talking head on crime shows.

    And I have never seen her testify in the many trials I have watched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kappy50 View Post
    Levi wants to know why we have to read between the lines with what LE is saying. Pat says some police depts. are more secretive than others. Pat was impressed they put out TH's pic and the van.

    hi kimster...am i missing something here...there was "Van" involved....???
    I think Pat meant the truck, I actually clarified and said the truck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I don't particularly care for Pat Brown. She seems to rubber stamp all potential suspects or POI the same. I find her very repetitious.

    She may be an expert on serial killers but then most of the cases discussed on tv aren't about serial killers. I am not aware of any profile she did that helped the police discover who the serial killer was but maybe she has done so. I don't know anything about her actual work and only see her in the media as a talking head on crime shows.

    And I have never seen her testify in the many trials I have watched.

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    I read Pat Brown's book and most of the cases she wrote about were not serial killers. I don't know if most of the cases she works on were serial killers or not, but they were not the majority of the ones she wrote about in her book.

    I like Pat Brown, I think she makes a lot more sense than the psychobabbble psyschologists we see/hear so often in the media.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    I read Pat Brown's book and most of the cases she wrote about were not serial killers. I don't know if most of the cases she works on were serial killers or not, but they were not the majority of the ones she wrote about in her book.

    I like Pat Brown, I think she makes a lot more sense than the psychobabbble psyschologists we see/hear so often in the media.
    I like her too. I'm very interested in psychology but sometimes people in that field use terminology I'm not familiar with. I know she is probably having to simplify things for me as a layperson, but it's better than not understanding what the heck she's talking about. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I don't particularly care for Pat Brown. She seems to rubber stamp all potential suspects or POI the same. I find her very repetitious.

    She may be an expert on serial killers but then most of the cases discussed on tv aren't about serial killers. I am not aware of any profile she did that helped the police discover who the serial killer was but maybe she has done so. I don't know anything about her actual work and only see her in the media as a talking head on crime shows.

    And I have never seen her testify in the many trials I have watched.

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    Criminal profilers tend to do that because of statistics. IMO, most, not all, but most perps could be rubberstamped. Look at all the murdering husbands we follow at WS. I swear most of them use the same how to list. Same with murdering parents who report their kid missing to cover up the murder. How many times do we see that one? IMO, the crime will usually fall in with the statistics. There is always the exception to the rule, but not often.....jmo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Let's not bash people please. I have removed one post due to name calling.

    It is okay to disagree with a public figure, it is not okay to bash them.

    I've also gotten a couple of alerts about negative comments regarding Levi as he is one of our members. We do allow more leeway with opinions about Levi since he is a public figure. However, please remember that he is a member here and has always been very kind to our members. We can disagree with him, but we can't bash him either.
    Sorry, I really didn't mean to bash but on re-reading my post it certainly came out that way. Like I said, this was the first time I've heard either of them and I am unfamiliar with their work. I was looking to elicit comments like the ones that followed. At the end of the day all of us, including people like Pat Brown and Bruce McCain, are putting out speculation about this case since we really know very few hard facts and it's helpful to know something about the knowledge and biases of the person speculating when considering the value of their opinions. Too many times you see talking heads (or even reporters) state opinions as fact and too many people then accept those statements as truth simply because of the source.


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    Quote Originally Posted by desquire View Post
    Sorry, I really didn't mean to bash but on re-reading my post it certainly came out that way. Like I said, this was the first time I've heard either of them and I am unfamiliar with their work. I was looking to elicit comments like the ones that followed. At the end of the day all of us, including people like Pat Brown and Bruce McCain, are putting out speculation about this case since we really know very few hard facts and it's helpful to know something about the knowledge and biases of the person speculating when considering the value of their opinions. Too many times you see talking heads (or even reporters) state opinions as fact and too many people then accept those statements as truth simply because of the source.
    You didn't bash, no worries. It's okay to disagree. I'm glad you explain the reasons behind your opinions.


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