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    MO - Nevada City, WhtMale UP8023, 26-36, Partial Skeletal & .38 Cal Slug, Jan'00

    Missouri State Highway Patrol news release on Sept 14th, 2010:

    http://notes.mshp.dps.mo.gov/si01/si01p001.nsf

    John Doe Reconstruction Image:(may have to cut and paste or there is a link to the image in the MSHP news release)

    http://notes.mshp.dps.mo.gov/si01/si01p001.nsf/9300de8f24f618a68625729800536892/a16214be75b2702b8625779e006cad1b/$FILE/John%20Doe%20Reconstruction%20Image.JPG

    Identification Assistance Needed For Remains Found In Vernon County

    MISSOURI STATE HIGHWAY PATROL
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    DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY

    Troop D Service Center - 4282 South Grand Avenue - Carthage MO 64836


    News Release

    For further information please contact: Sergeant Mike Watson
    (417) 359-1500 ext. 2229
    DS2010-23
    September 14, 2010

    EMPHASIS: Identification Assistance Needed For Remains Found In Vernon County


    The Vernon County Sheriff’s Office and the Missouri State Highway Patrol are requesting assistance in the identification of remains found in Vernon County. Located in 2000, southeast of Nevada, laboratory analysis has determined the remains to be those of a white male. It is estimated the individual was between 26 and 36 years of age at the time of his death, and may have died as early as 1985 and as recently as 1997.

    In an effort to identify the remains, a computer-generated image was produced by the Forensic Anthropology and Computer Enhancement Services (FACES) Laboratory at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge. A copy of the image is attached to this news release.

    Anyone with information that may lead to identification of the remains is encouraged to call Vernon County Sheriff Ron Peckman at 417-448-5555 or Corporal Brad Bearden with the Missouri State Highway Patrol at 417-359-1502.
    I could not find another thread devoted to this UID. I apologize in advance if there is one already and I missed it.

    I looked for this UID in the DOE network and NAMUS. I couldn't find this particular UID in either database. I sent an email to the MSHP inquiring if they could possibly submit the case to both databases.

    This is the first thread I've started, I hope I did it right!
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    Vernon County seeks help in identifying body

    Newspaper article:
    http://www.examiner.net/news/x827974...entifying-body

    By A staff report - localnews@examiner.net
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    Posted Sep 15, 2010 @ 01:18 AM
    Last update Sep 15, 2010 @ 09:10 AM

    Authorities found the remains of a white man between 26 years old and 36 years old who died as early as 1985 and as recently as 1997.

    The remains were found in 2000 in southeast Nevada, Mo.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-19-2012 at 09:19 PM. Reason: Replaced image with smaller version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SI-LOCAL View Post
    I'm sorry the image is so huge! I not sure I can make it smaller. It is a direct link to the image at the Missouri State Highway Patrol.


    Its frustrating because they did not have his estimate height and weight, hair color. I guess there was no clothes either....

    Well, you did good. I'll see if I can find something tonight.
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    MO - Vernon County, Authorities Need Help ID'ing Doe Found In Jan. 2000

    I'm not sure how to attach the photo I have in the story I wrote. Please help!!

    http://crimesceneinvestigations.blogspot.com/2010/09/vernon-county-authorities-need-help.html

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    The Vernon County Sheriff’s Office and the Missouri State Highway Patrol are asking for the public's help in the identification of human remains found in Vernon County in January of 2000.

    A resident walking down a remote lane southeast of Nevada in January of 2000 discovered a skull and body parts, according to Vernon County Sheriff Ron Peckman. Authorities initially thought that the human remains belonged to Cheryl Ann Kenney who went missing in February of 1991.

    It wasn't until earlier this year that that theory was shot down. Laboratory analysis from a forensics lab in Louisiana determined the remains are that of a white male. It is estimated that the man was between 26 and 36 years of age at the time of his death. It is believed the man died sometimes between 1985 and 1997.

    http://crimesceneinvestigations.blogspot.com/2010/09/vernon-county-authorities-need-help.html
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    There is already a thread for this UID. It was just started yesterday.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5607789#post5607789"]MO Identification Assistance Needed For Remains Found In Vernon County, MO - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    I think I found the original news article from 2000. (Note that "Nevada" is a city in Missouri, not the state.)

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...2233%2C1021470

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=3968%2C896693

    Recovered at the scene on January 9, 2000 were a skull, hip bone, human hair, bullet (believed to be .38 caliber) and enough decayed clothing fragments that the sheriff was quoted as saying he felt they could match it to clothing descriptions in missing persons' reports.

    So it was understandably hard to determine the gender of this UID without resorting to a lab test, and height and weight probably can't be determined at all, but I wish they'd describe the clothing and hair color.

    Also, only 30 feet from a private driveway and the UID may have been there as early as 1985? I guess that's possible if it's a fairly long path through a seldom-traveled wooded area...
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    Would it be kosher to ask a mod to change the thread to reflect "found January 2000" rather than the September 2010 press release? Not meant as a slight at you, SI-LOCAL, we don't have a thread-naming convention around here (though maybe we should!) and I thank you for starting this post.

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    Gonna attach the reconstruction image here for reference.

    Unidentified white male, estimated age 26-36, found 9 January 2000 southeast of the city of Nevada in Vernon County, Missouri. May have died as early as 1985 or as late as 1997.
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    Thoughts?

    Richard D. Dake, missing since April 20, 1999 from Mountain Grove, Missouri.
    http://charleyproject.org/cases/d/dake_richard.html

    Possible he may not have been missing long enough, although decomposition in southern Missouri in the summer would not be terribly slow. Appearance-wise, he's not a bad match.

    Mountain Grove sits on the border of Texas and Wright counties about 120 miles southeast of where the UID was found near Nevada in Vernon County.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinc View Post
    Thoughts?

    Richard D. Dake, missing since April 20, 1999 from Mountain Grove, Missouri.
    http://charleyproject.org/cases/d/dake_richard.html

    Possible he may not have been missing long enough, although decomposition in southern Missouri in the summer would not be terribly slow. Appearance-wise, he's not a bad match.

    Mountain Grove sits on the border of Texas and Wright counties about 120 miles southeast of where the UID was found near Nevada in Vernon County.
    He looks reasonably close, considering the lack of detail.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Also, take a look at the two comments on this article. Not sure who Danny Trim is but one suggests Rick Dake.

    http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-story-ve...,0,40395.story

    There are some comments in this Topix thread indicating a local rumor that Mr. Dake was murdered by a specific relative.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/moun...1SCEAQIJOF1TJS

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    Steven Alyea

    http://www.findthemissing.org/photos/full/246

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/alyea_steven.html

    Alyea left home on 1/30/92 at approx. 8:30am with a large amount of cash. He told a neighbor he was going to Lamar Missouri to meet someone around 1:30pm and would be home by 6:30pm. He did not return home and has not been seen since. Alyea's vehicle was found in Fayetteville, Arkansas on 11/1/92. Officials said thevehicle was abandoned for at least 1 month. Prior to his disappearance, Alyea was very close to his family and contacted them regularly. Alyea had a severe heart condition which required daily medication. He left his medication and personal property at his residence.

    Taking us 71 south is a direct route to Lamar, MO. He would have passed through Nevada, MO on his way to Lamar, MO.

    Kansas City, MO to Nevada, MO : US 71 SOUTH appr. 95 mi

    Nevada, MO to Lamar, MO : US SOUTH appr. 28 mi

    Fayetteville, AR is about 118 miles south of Lamar, MO

    Does anyone else think he might resemble the UID?

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    On a gut level, yes, I do see a resemblance to Steven Alyea. Maybe one of the anthropometric/Photoshop folks around here can weigh in with an overlay or side-by-side.

    Edited to add: Mr. Alyea had an implanted pacemaker. It sounds like only partial remains were found for the UID, but if there were a pacemaker anywhere near the body site I'd hope it would have been found.

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    I can't do the overlays, but here's a side-by-side. Yeah, definitely a strong resemblance, and the circumstances fit very nicely.
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    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Ok I am usually a lurker....but have decide to take that leap and start to be active. I have believe that the circumstances and the pictures look very similar.

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    Steven Alyea

    I emailed the missing persons division of the Kansas City, Mo police department. I sent them the UID press release information from the Missouri State Highway Patrol including the reconstruction image. I also included the route that Steven might have taken if he indeed was going to Lamar, MO and this is why I thought there was possibility that it could be him.

    I'm sure they have already thought of this and possibly 'ruled out' this UID with regards to Steven Alyea, but you never know. I wish there was access to a list of persons/UIDs that have already been 'ruled out' in both cases. I'm still looking for any past news articles that might indicate the clothing that was found with the UID or any other info.

    I have lurked for years. I just started posting and was not ready to start a thread. I had read the UID press release and kept checking WS for a thread. It seemed there was such a limited release of the info and only the local media was picking it up. I reluctantly started the thread because I was afraid it wouldn't get any attention. I apologize if I have made any mis-steps and welcome any pointers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SI-LOCAL View Post
    I emailed the missing persons division of the Kansas City, Mo police department. I sent them the UID press release information from the Missouri State Highway Patrol including the reconstruction image. I also included the route that Steven might have taken if he indeed was going to Lamar, MO and this is why I thought there was possibility that it could be him.

    I'm sure they have already thought of this and possibly 'ruled out' this UID with regards to Steven Alyea, but you never know. I wish there was access to a list of persons/UIDs that have already been 'ruled out' in both cases. I'm still looking for any past news articles that might indicate the clothing that was found with the UID or any other info.

    I have lurked for years. I just started posting and was not ready to start a thread. I had read the UID press release and kept checking WS for a thread. It seemed there was such a limited release of the info and only the local media was picking it up. I reluctantly started the thread because I was afraid it wouldn't get any attention. I apologize if I have made any mis-steps and welcome any pointers.
    You've done great! I'm glad you posted -- it looks like a very real possibility.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Interesting article on the reconstruction methods.

    September 18, 2010
    ‘CSI: Nevada’
    Lab helps officers put face on remains found 10 years ago

    By Greg Grisolano
    joplinglobe.com
    Globe Staff Writer

    Interesting article:
    http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/x15...42/-CSI-Nevada

    In the Vernon County case, investigators were not able to determine the height of the subject, but Manhein noted that the man may be identifiable based on fillings in the teeth.
    At least it is confirmed that estimated height is not available.

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    I live in the area where the skull was found. Some of the info listed was not accurate. The skull was found in the path of a gate that is opened every morning so it was not there the day before. The LE only did a cursory search of the area and have never been back. In local news reports they said they searched with a backhoe, this is not true. The MHP have issued conflicting statements about the skull. They have stated at different times that this skull is, a young man, a woman, or that DNA was inconclusive. An anthropologist said they could not determine sex, but thought it was a young man or a smallish woman. An overlay of this face on Cheryl Anne Kenney's face, she disappeared about the same time, matches perfectly.
    http://www.myspace.com/cheryl_ann_kenney

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    here is a list of rule-outs, includes Steven Alyea:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/8023

    I read the link to the original article and it said they had enough DNA to test. The article also gave a wider age range. I see from this UID's Namus profile the DNA is known and entered. I assume that means that any missing person with a known DNA sample would be ruled out? At the same time, the rule-out list only has 5 names on it.

    having said all that, what about this guy Greg Tilley missing from MO in 1992? he is not one of the 5 on the rule-out list. he was 22 in 1992 but age estimates can be wrong.

    his car was found in NV in 1993, but that does not by any stretch means that he made it out of MO. there is a good face pic of him in the images section.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2294/3/

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    How about Rodney John Olsen, missing from Mason City, Iowa since October 18, 1986?
    He does not appear to be on NamUs, but his profile is up on a few sites although with sparse information.

    1. Doe Network: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/120dmia.html
    2. Charley Project: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/olsen_rodney.html
    3. Cerro Gordo County Sheriff's Office website: http://www.co.cerro-gordo.ia.us/Sher...ff_Missing.cfm
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    Websleuths link added: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6025314"]IA IA - Rodney Olsen, Farmer from Mason City, IA, Oct 1986 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    Comparison:



    • Rodney has a heavier face in his photo, but a slimmer him may resemble the reconstruction although it is harder to be certain as Rodney's photo is at a sideways angle. Also, since only a skull was found, a lot of things are up in the air on how the John Doe carried his weight on his face and other soft tissue features?
    • It is mentioned that they found hair at the site of John Doe's discovery. Perhaps the length of the hair in the reconstruction reflects the hair they found. According to Rodney's Iowa MPIC profile, "He has shoulder-length hair."
    • Rodney disappeared in October 1986. John Doe's probable year of death is listed as 1985 to 1997.
    • Rodney was 32 at the time of his disappearance. John Doe is estimated to be 26 to 36.
    • Rodney drove away from his farm northeast of Mason City, IA in the middle of the night and his car was found abandoned several months later around thirty miles away in Forest City, IA. Vernon. Here it is on Google Maps relative to Nevada, MO.
    • According to NamUs, DNA and dental records are available for John Doe. I am not sure about Rodney, but his father has done recent interviews stating his family is still searching for him so DNA is hopefully available.

    ______________________

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    Rodney John Olsen

    Missing since October 18, 1986 from Mason City, Cerro Gordo County, Iowa.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    * Date Of Birth: October 1, 1954
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 32 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 6'0; 210 pounds
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; brown eyes.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Olsen was last seen on October 18, 1986 in Mason City, IA. Olsen, the father of a young son, farmed a rural farm northeast of Mason City. Olsen moved from his native Britt area not too long before he disappeared.
    Olsen left his rural home at 01.00 to visit someone. Several months later, Olsen’s car, a black 1978 Pontiac Sunbird, was found in a Forest City trailer park. No clues were found to indicate what happened to Olsen.

    Investigators

    If you have any information concerning Olsen's whereabouts, please contact:
    Cerro Gordo County Sheriff's Office
    515-421-3000
    OR
    Iowa Missing Persons' Clearinghouse
    800-346-5507
    Email

    All information may be submitted on an anonymous basis.

    NCIC Number: M-2211723913
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
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    It looks to me like it's worth checking into.

    While it is not possible due to the partial side-view angle of the photo to check the horizontal dimensions (i.e., head width, eye spacing, jawline, etc.), you can check the vertical dimensions and placement of his facial features by rotating Rodney's photo to a level head orientation.

    As you can see here, the vertical positioning of his crown of the head, eyes, nose, mouth, and chin are all reasonably consistent.

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    I emailed the Cerro Gordo County Sheriff and to his credit, Sheriff Pals sent me a prompt reply. I asked if Rodney has been compared to the Vernon County John Doe and if he will be added NamUs. The reply I received was:

    Mr. Olsen is in the Iowa Missing Person files. I am not sure who puts the missing person on other web site. We have received two calls from the national missing person database comparing his information with others. I am not sure if he was specifically compared to the John Doe in Vernon Co., MO.
    Unfortunately, it sounds like he may not be entered into NamUs soon.

    I did contact the Iowa MPIC email that was listed on Rodney's Doe Network profile as well as the NamUs case manager listed for this John Doe. No replies yet, but will keep you posted!


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    I never heard back from the NamUs contact for this John Doe so I tried emailing Iowa MPIC again and got a prompt reply. The contact there said she is going to reach out to the Cerro Gordo County Sheriff's Office to get Rodney Olsen into NamUs and that she hopes his dental records are on file so that he can be compared to this UID.

    As I posted on Rodney's missing person thread, I am feeling a wee bit more encouraged since at least Rodney is taking another step towards being listed in NamUs and there will hopefully be another comparison for Vernon County John Doe.

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