695 users online (85 members and 610 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 1 of 19 1 2 3 11 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 271
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,088

    The Eikelenbooms and Touch DNA

    The Eikelenbooms and their expertise in Touch DNA is being discussed on several different threads, so I thought it would be nice to try and consolidate the infomation to one thread.

    Richard and Selma Eikelenboom are Dutch forensic scientists that specialize in evidence analysis and DNA extraction. They own a company in the Netherlands called Independent Forensic Services. Information on their expertise can be found at their website:

    http://www.forensic-services.nl/

    Baez filed a motion which was argued at a status hearing yesterday 9/27/10 in which he wanted to send the canvas laundry bag and the pair of shorts found with Caylee to the Eikelenbooms lab in the Netherlands in order for them to attempt to extract DNA. Judge Perry stated he will not allow the evidence to leave the country. Baez stated the Eikelenbooms are opening a lab in Denver, CO and they could test the evidence there. JP said he would be inclined to grant that but would formally rule later this week.

    Things of interest to me include:
    Richard and Selma Eikelenboom themselves & are they renowned in their field as the defense claims

    What is Touch DNA, is it a technique allowed in US criminal cases

    Defense reasoning on testing those 2 particular items, the canvas bag and the shorts & what do you think they'll find and the implications

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,088
    Originally posted by salvarenga yesterday:

    Article on the "world renowned" Touch DNA expert that is relocating to Denver per JB:

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12102408


    Thanks salvarenga, nice find!!

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    10,492
    I remember seeing a television show on this some time ago. I cannot remember the name of it, but it did seem they are only renowned because they made themselves so. IIRC they had some new methods, not sure if they have the certification or what have you for a U.S. case. Really don't see why a Judge would agree anyhow. There are plenty of labs in the U.S. that are independent of local law enforcement, but I don't think that is JB's point. I think JB just wants someone that has been on television before and seems glamorous in some way. Just my opinion there. I cannot recall if they work pro bono, but who would not if it can get your name and work out there?

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.

  4. #4
    Dignity4Victims's Avatar
    Dignity4Victims is offline "Miss Anthony and the truth are strangers" - Judge Strickland
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,179
    Quote Originally Posted by Dear Prudence View Post
    The Eikelenbooms and their expertise in Touch DNA is being discussed on several different threads, so I thought it would be nice to try and consolidate the infomation to one thread.

    Richard and Selma Eikelenboom are Dutch forensic scientists that specialize in evidence analysis and DNA extraction. They own a company in the Netherlands called Independent Forensic Services. Information on their expertise can be found at their website:

    http://www.forensic-services.nl/

    Baez filed a motion which was argued at a status hearing yesterday 9/27/10 in which he wanted to send the canvas laundry bag and the pair of shorts found with Caylee to the Eikelenbooms lab in the Netherlands in order for them to attempt to extract DNA. Judge Perry stated he will not allow the evidence to leave the country. Baez stated the Eikelenbooms are opening a lab in Denver, CO and they could test the evidence there. JP said he would be inclined to grant that but would formally rule later this week.

    Things of interest to me include:
    Richard and Selma Eikelenboom themselves & are they renowned in their field as the defense claims

    What is Touch DNA, is it a technique allowed in US criminal cases

    Defense reasoning on testing those 2 particular items, the canvas bag and the shorts & what do you think they'll find and the implications
    They won't find them, but they're looking for signs of sexual abuse, sperm being one example. If they can detect that, it will allow the defense to point to SODDI.
    Casey says, “the b!tch knows what it feels like now,” referring to her mother, Cindy.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,088
    This link claims the Eikelenbooms were the ones who recently indentified the DNA on Jon Benet Ramsey's clothing. Is that true? I don't remember hearing their names before. Intersting!

    http://www.uis.edu/innocenceproject/...kelenboom.html

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,830
    I say "Pipe Dreams".

  7. #7
    whiteangora's Avatar
    whiteangora is offline I'm on the right track baby. I was "Born This Way"
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Memphis, TN
    Posts
    5,751
    Quote Originally Posted by Dear Prudence View Post
    This link claims the Eikelenbooms were the ones who recently indentified the DNA on Jon Benet Ramsey's clothing. Is that true? I don't remember hearing their names before. Intersting!

    http://www.uis.edu/innocenceproject/...kelenboom.html
    Jon Benet's clothing wasn't under water or out in the scorching sun, heavy winds and acid rain for 6 months either. Not saying this claim couldn't be true but certainly different circumstances. If they do find any DNA evidence from the bag or Caylee's shorts I will be very suspicious.
    Neighborhood Watch is...
    NOT the Vigilante Police
    http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...PowerPoint.pdf





  8. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,088
    Quote Originally Posted by whiteangora View Post
    Jon Benet's clothing wasn't under water or out in the scorching sun, heavy winds and acid rain for 6 months either. Not saying this claim couldn't be true but certainly different circumstances. If they do find any DNA evidence from the bag or Caylee's shorts I will be very suspicious.
    I knew about the DNA being found on Jon Benets pants, that's when I first heard of Touch DNA. What I didn't know was that the Eikelenbooms were the ones who did the testing.

    Yes, I'd be very surprised and suspicious too if they get any DNA from the evidence. But I also wonder what will happen if they find only KC's DNA on the items. Would the defense be required to reveal that or can they just keep quiet?

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    11,613
    I'm interested in JAs statement that he has concerns about the couple, but did not expound. Their website is very defense-slanted.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Waiting
    Posts
    4,523
    Quote Originally Posted by Dear Prudence View Post
    Originally posted by salvarenga yesterday:

    Article on the "world renowned" Touch DNA expert that is relocating to Denver per JB:

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12102408


    Thanks salvarenga, nice find!!
    Uhm. . . Ok. . . This article states that SE is hard-nosed, known for snapping at lazy investigators, sloppy lab techs, and people who don't share her socialists views. She DOES realize that Colorado is situated in the United States of America, doesn't she? And, I wonder how she feels about snapping at lazy defense attorneys? Oh, wait! Apparently, she enjoys working with them if it will get her name on the airwaves. I am soooo not impressed!




    It Was Ancient Aliens!


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    The beautiful roundabout of Context, Veracity, and JUSTICE
    Posts
    11,424
    DP, thank you for starting this thread. I'm reposting a response I made on a different thread here, and looking forward to the conversation!

    Which SOD's DNA would most likely be on the laundry bag that came from the Anthony home, and Caylee's shorts that were also at the Anthony home? GA. Defense probably figures finding Kronk's DNA would just be a bonus, but if there is any DNA remaining on those items, it's most likely to be Caylee's, KC's, George's, or Cindy's.

    Anyone remember off the top of their head how far from the central remains site (bags and skull) the shorts were found?

    If (big IF) there is remaining DNA that would show up in "touch DNA" testing, and IF the shorts were still in or mixed with the bags, I'd imagine one might find Kronk's DNA on both items if he bent down to touch it when he found it. If the shorts were farther away then maybe Kronk on the laundry bag but not the shorts. If the shorts were intermixed with the bags, maybe Kronk's DNA on both, IF he touched the mass of items.

    However, and again IF anyone's DNA is found on both shorts AND laundry bag, IMO it would most likely be George's, as he lived in the house with Caylee and would have interacted with the laundry bag in the garage while it was being used to store the plastic balls, etc.

    BUT--why aren't they requesting "touch DNA" analysis on the duct tape???

    And why aren't they requesting "touch DNA" analysis on the garbage bags?

    I see London, I see France, I see the defense's desperate plans....
    You can hold back from the suffering of the world. You have free permission to do so and it is in accordance with your nature.
    But perhaps this very holding back is the one suffering you could have avoided.
    Franz Kafka

    Be not simply good. Be good for something.
    HDT

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Waiting
    Posts
    4,523
    Quote Originally Posted by Dear Prudence View Post
    I knew about the DNA being found on Jon Benets pants, that's when I first heard of Touch DNA. What I didn't know was that the Eikelenbooms were the ones who did the testing.

    Yes, I'd be very surprised and suspicious too if they get any DNA from the evidence. But I also wonder what will happen if they find only KC's DNA on the items. Would the defense be required to reveal that or can they just keep quiet?
    BBM

    If that happens, we will hear JB announce in court that "it just didn't work out" with the E's. Kinda like with that other expert who tested and dropped outta site. I believe JB stated in the hearing yesterday that "it just didn't work out". I take that to mean the expert didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. JMO.




    It Was Ancient Aliens!

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    4,807
    Quote Originally Posted by Dear Prudence View Post
    The Eikelenbooms and their expertise in Touch DNA is being discussed on several different threads, so I thought it would be nice to try and consolidate the infomation to one thread.

    Richard and Selma Eikelenboom are Dutch forensic scientists that specialize in evidence analysis and DNA extraction. They own a company in the Netherlands called Independent Forensic Services. Information on their expertise can be found at their website:

    http://www.forensic-services.nl/

    Baez filed a motion which was argued at a status hearing yesterday 9/27/10 in which he wanted to send the canvas laundry bag and the pair of shorts found with Caylee to the Eikelenbooms lab in the Netherlands in order for them to attempt to extract DNA. Judge Perry stated he will not allow the evidence to leave the country. Baez stated the Eikelenbooms are opening a lab in Denver, CO and they could test the evidence there. JP said he would be inclined to grant that but would formally rule later this week.

    Things of interest to me include:
    Richard and Selma Eikelenboom themselves & are they renowned in their field as the defense claims

    What is Touch DNA, is it a technique allowed in US criminal cases

    Defense reasoning on testing those 2 particular items, the canvas bag and the shorts & what do you think they'll find and the implications
    They are hoping and will probably find unsourced DNA so they can say - see there is an intruder of some sort here and that leaves you (the jury) with reasonable doubt. Baez probably thought of this gem since he has absolutely nothing else and his client is going to be convicted. MY opinion

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Waiting
    Posts
    4,523
    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    DP, thank you for starting this thread. I'm reposting a response I made on a different thread here, and looking forward to the conversation!

    Which SOD's DNA would most likely be on the laundry bag that came from the Anthony home, and Caylee's shorts that were also at the Anthony home? GA. Defense probably figures finding Kronk's DNA would just be a bonus, but if there is any DNA remaining on those items, it's most likely to be Caylee's, KC's, George's, or Cindy's.

    Anyone remember off the top of their head how far from the central remains site (bags and skull) the shorts were found?

    If (big IF) there is remaining DNA that would show up in "touch DNA" testing, and IF the shorts were still in or mixed with the bags, I'd imagine one might find Kronk's DNA on both items if he bent down to touch it when he found it. If the shorts were farther away then maybe Kronk on the laundry bag but not the shorts. If the shorts were intermixed with the bags, maybe Kronk's DNA on both, IF he touched the mass of items.

    However, and again IF anyone's DNA is found on both shorts AND laundry bag, IMO it would most likely be George's, as he lived in the house with Caylee and would have interacted with the laundry bag in the garage while it was being used to store the plastic balls, etc.

    BUT--why aren't they requesting "touch DNA" analysis on the duct tape???

    And why aren't they requesting "touch DNA" analysis on the garbage bags?

    I see London, I see France, I see the defense's desperate plans....
    If I were CA or GA, I'd be preparing to dodge that bus! JB is looking for anything at all that points away from his little murderess. Assuming that RK is telling the truth about urinating in the woods that day, what would be the chances that he might have "sprinkled" his DNA on any of the items? I would think that that garbage bag he then saw and found the skull in would be the most likely patsy, so why not test it? Message to GA: Watch your back!




    It Was Ancient Aliens!

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,830
    Quote Originally Posted by chefmom View Post
    BBM

    If that happens, we will hear JB announce in court that "it just didn't work out" with the E's. Kinda like with that other expert who tested and dropped outta site. I believe JB stated in the hearing yesterday that "it just didn't work out". I take that to mean the expert didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. JMO.
    Yes, and if he actually gets this done before trial, I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall when he gets the results. Think he's grasping at straws with this one.

Page 1 of 19 1 2 3 11 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Touch DNA
    By whiskeygurl in forum Caylee Anthony 2 years old
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-21-2010, 02:29 PM
  2. If Baez is not allowed to touch KC..why is Lyons allowed to touch KC?
    By affinity in forum Caylee Anthony 2 years old
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 01-28-2010, 02:34 PM
  3. In Touch article
    By Delrod in forum Jaycee Lee Dugard
    Replies: 121
    Last Post: 12-05-2009, 05:53 PM