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    Ransom Note and Common Sense

    Hello All!

    I'm a long time lurker, but new to posting. I have a question for all the great minds RDI and IDI alike. I've searched this and cannot find an answer, so if I'm starting a duplicate thread, I apologize and ask the mods to merge it. So here's my question:

    On the morning of Dec 26, after PR and JR read the ransom note, why the phone calls? I understand calling the police. That makes sense. After all, cops are trained to deal with kidnappings and all say not to call the police (at least that's what I would think). However, Patsy didn't say anything to the dispatcher about the ransom note saying they were watching the house, if anyone was contacted, JonBenet would die, etc. Why not? And then, they preceeded to call even more folks until ending up with a houseful of people. If they thought this was a legitimate note at the time and believed this note to be true, why completely disobey the kidnappers, in effect, killing their own child?

    All I've found in defense of this is Patsy saying that she just glanced at the note. Again, that makes no sense. If my daughter were in the hands of a "small foreign faction", I would read the letter line by line to make sure I did exactly what they wanted me to do so I would see my little girl again. Why didn't the Ramseys? Can anyone point me to anywhere or tell me anything that makes any sense as to why they did this? This one action alone makes them look very, very guilty...and I don't want to think that yet. I'd rather keep an open mind until I read all the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    Hello All!

    I'm a long time lurker, but new to posting. I have a question for all the great minds RDI and IDI alike. I've searched this and cannot find an answer, so if I'm starting a duplicate thread, I apologize and ask the mods to merge it. So here's my question:

    On the morning of Dec 26, after PR and JR read the ransom note, why the phone calls? I understand calling the police. That makes sense. After all, cops are trained to deal with kidnappings and all say not to call the police (at least that's what I would think). However, Patsy didn't say anything to the dispatcher about the ransom note saying they were watching the house, if anyone was contacted, JonBenet would die, etc. Why not? And then, they preceeded to call even more folks until ending up with a houseful of people. If they thought this was a legitimate note at the time and believed this note to be true, why completely disobey the kidnappers, in effect, killing their own child?

    All I've found in defense of this is Patsy saying that she just glanced at the note. Again, that makes no sense. If my daughter were in the hands of a "small foreign faction", I would read the letter line by line to make sure I did exactly what they wanted me to do so I would see my little girl again. Why didn't the Ramseys? Can anyone point me to anywhere or tell me anything that makes any sense as to why they did this? This one action alone makes them look very, very guilty...and I don't want to think that yet. I'd rather keep an open mind until I read all the evidence.

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    Thanks Cynic, for the link. I never put 2 and 2 together like that! Really interesting. However, I'm not sure that answered my question (if that's what you were trying to do). Did I misunderstand something?

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    My answer, they had no fear, they already knew she was dead.


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    Hi SheBoss. The problem here is it's hard to keep an open mind after their behavior re the ransom note. Logically, what they did makes no sense at all. So to keep an open mind you'll probably have to lay that question aside for a while and go on to the next question. Sorry, but I haven't been able to find anyone else who behaved that way when faced with a ransom note concerning their daughter. There are so many issues in this case that one has to look at everything as a whole in order to form an educated opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeskidbeck View Post
    Hi SheBoss. The problem here is it's hard to keep an open mind after their behavior re the ransom note. Logically, what they did makes no sense at all. So to keep an open mind you'll probably have to lay that question aside for a while and go on to the next question. Sorry, but I haven't been able to find anyone else who behaved that way when faced with a ransom note concerning their daughter. There are so many issues in this case that one has to look at everything as a whole in order to form an educated opinion.
    Sadly, I think you're probably right. But, again, looking at it from a common sense pov, to discount this behavior is kinda like sweeping something under the rug. To me, behavior may not be "evidence" in the strictest sense of the word, but it should have some bearing on the overall decision. I just can't get past this. I was really hoping someone could point it out to me where it's all explained away nice and tidy.

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    IIRC, longest Ransom note in history!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    Sadly, I think you're probably right. But, again, looking at it from a common sense pov, to discount this behavior is kinda like sweeping something under the rug. To me, behavior may not be "evidence" in the strictest sense of the word, but it should have some bearing on the overall decision. I just can't get past this. I was really hoping someone could point it out to me where it's all explained away nice and tidy.
    We've all (RDI/IDI) tried to explain it away, but it always comes up lacking in one respect or another. Give it a few minutes and I'm sure there will be an IDI come along to explain their behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    On the morning of Dec 26, after PR and JR read the ransom note, why the phone calls? I understand calling the police. That makes sense. After all, cops are trained to deal with kidnappings and all say not to call the police (at least that's what I would think). However, Patsy didn't say anything to the dispatcher about the ransom note saying they were watching the house, if anyone was contacted, JonBenet would die, etc. Why not? And then, they preceeded to call even more folks until ending up with a houseful of people. If they thought this was a legitimate note at the time and believed this note to be true, why completely disobey the kidnappers, in effect, killing their own child?

    All I've found in defense of this is Patsy saying that she just glanced at the note. Again, that makes no sense. If my daughter were in the hands of a "small foreign faction", I would read the letter line by line to make sure I did exactly what they wanted me to do so I would see my little girl again. Why didn't the Ramseys?
    You don’t have to be particularly smart to understand what might happen when the terms of a ransom note are blatantly violated.
    The Ramseys were both very smart people, and while it’s difficult to imagine even one of them making such an error, it strains credulity to believe that both would.
    “Oops, I guess I should have my morning coffee before I picked up the phone” just doesn’t cut it when you are potentially dealing with the life of your child.
    It does make sense when you are trying to explain why there is a dead child in your basement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    To me, behavior may not be "evidence" in the strictest sense of the word, but it should have some bearing on the overall decision.
    It is important, atypical behavior has been used as element of many successful prosecutions involving circumstantial cases.
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    Ramseys reaction to Ransom Note

    Any normal person would not listen to the ramblings of some psychopath,and the first instinct would be to call the police. Patsy asked JR what they should do, because the note said not to call the police. He told her to call the police. As he said in their book, he thought they would put up roadblocks, etc. to try to find her.

    Patsy read only the beginning where it said they had their daughter...and she ran upstairs and saw JBR missing and called for John. Their actions seem normal to me. They had no idea that the police would screw things up. I doubt the perp was watching the house, but if he were, he would have seen the police come right up to the house.

    Had the Ramseys not done what most people would do, and not call the police, I can only imagine what would have been said about those actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai View Post
    Any normal person would not listen to the ramblings of some psychopath,and the first instinct would be to call the police. Patsy asked JR what they should do, because the note said not to call the police. He told her to call the police. As he said in their book, he thought they would put up roadblocks, etc. to try to find her.

    Patsy read only the beginning where it said they had their daughter...and she ran upstairs and saw JBR missing and called for John. Their actions seem normal to me. They had no idea that the police would screw things up. I doubt the perp was watching the house, but if he were, he would have seen the police come right up to the house.

    Had the Ramseys not done what most people would do, and not call the police, I can only imagine what would have been said about those actions.
    I have to say that, though I am RDI, I agree with this. I think anyone would have made that 911 call in a real kidnapping situation regardless of what the note said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai View Post
    Any normal person would not listen to the ramblings of some psychopath,and the first instinct would be to call the police. Patsy asked JR what they should do, because the note said not to call the police. He told her to call the police. As he said in their book, he thought they would put up roadblocks, etc. to try to find her.

    Patsy read only the beginning where it said they had their daughter...and she ran upstairs and saw JBR missing and called for John. Their actions seem normal to me. They had no idea that the police would screw things up. I doubt the perp was watching the house, but if he were, he would have seen the police come right up to the house.

    Had the Ramseys not done what most people would do, and not call the police, I can only imagine what would have been said about those actions.

    Okay fine, I can see and completely understand calling the police. I would too.

    I would not be breaking out my rolodex and calling everyone else I knew before I read every word on the ransom note, repeatedly! Wouldn't you want to know WHO took your daughter so you could get her back? Wouldn't you think, maybe the answer is in the note?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    Okay fine, I can see and completely understand calling the police. I would too.

    I would not be breaking out my rolodex and calling everyone else I knew before I read every word on the ransom note, repeatedly! Wouldn't you want to know WHO took your daughter so you could get her back? Wouldn't you think, maybe the answer is in the note?
    I agree, Linda. I have never had a problem with the Ramseys calling the police. I KNOW that I would have done the same. My problem is them calling all their friends (except the Stines, of course) and being allowed to thoroughly bungle the crime scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    I have to say that, though I am RDI, I agree with this. I think anyone would have made that 911 call in a real kidnapping situation regardless of what the note said.
    And of course, we all know in hindsight that she was already dead, but the parents thought she had been 'kidnapped'. The friends were most likely called to help in the search for her or for support and guidance.

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