View Poll Results: Which RDI claim is easiest to prove?

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  • PR/JR handled the weapons or sexually assaulted.

    8 4.97%
  • PR/JR wrote the ransom note or helped to write it.

    106 65.84%
  • PR/JR were motivated to hide prior abuse or rage.

    14 8.70%
  • PR/JR used words or actions that prove their guilt.

    33 20.50%
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    Which is strongest RDI evidence?

    Which RDI claim is easiest to prove?

    PR/JR handled the weapons or sexually assaulted.
    PR/JR wrote the ransom note or helped to write it.
    PR/JR were motivated to hide prior abuse or rage.
    PR/JR used words or actions that prove their guilt.

    And how would you go about proving it?


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    ...of course none of it can be proven with what we have or the case would be solved.
    ....but IMO their actions and words are the strongest evidence against them.
    Their action and words make me personally not able to move over to the IDI side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claudicici View Post
    ...of course none of it can be proven with what we have or the case would be solved.
    ....but IMO their actions and words are the strongest evidence against them.
    Their action and words make me personally not able to move over to the IDI side.
    my bold

    Hmm. None of it can be proven...wonder why? That is a clue in itself, that at least four separate paths to R guilt are each blocked.

    With four ways for the R's to go down, unable to prove even one? I actually believe there are multitudes of ways for the guilty to go down, not just four.

    But these four seem to be the main ones RDI invests a lot of time in, as if they have a case. I'm glad at least one here has noticed there isn't really a solid case on any front. Why is that? You'd think with amateurs, first-timers who were in fact guilty, that at least one would've panned out especially after all these years.

    Instead now we have this DNA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    my bold

    Hmm. None of it can be proven...wonder why? That is a clue in itself, that at least four separate paths to R guilt are each blocked.

    With four ways for the R's to go down, unable to prove even one? I actually believe there are multitudes of ways for the guilty to go down, not just four.

    But these four seem to be the main ones RDI invests a lot of time in, as if they have a case. I'm glad at least one here has noticed there isn't really a solid case on any front. Why is that? You'd think with amateurs, first-timers who were in fact guilty, that at least one would've panned out especially after all these years.

    Instead now we have this DNA.
    You know the answer to that- we all do. unfortunately, irrevocable mistakes made by LE at the very beginning (the first few hours) tainted the evidence forever. It it were a computer, the message "FATAL ERROR" would appear. Fatal in the sense that the ramifications were final and unalterable.
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    The fiber evidence. Forensics don't lie... followed by Patsy's having written the ransom note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    But these four seem to be the main ones RDI invests a lot of time in, as if they have a case.
    And I'm glad you've brought it up, because there's a reason for that emphasis. This is a good thread.

    I'm glad at least one here has noticed there isn't really a solid case on any front. Why is that?
    To answer that question, I suggest we revisit the "cross-fingerpointing defense."

    Make no mistake: there are these four paths. The problem is they all lead to BOTH, not just one.

    You'd think with amateurs, first-timers who were in fact guilty, that at least one would've panned out especially after all these years.
    I assert that most other places, it very well would have. That's the key here.
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    I couldn't vote either. It's not any one thing by itself, it's the whole ball of wax!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    I couldn't vote either. It's not any one thing by itself, it's the whole ball of wax!
    That's how I look at it.

    Still, something has to get it started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldontoyourHat
    You'd think with amateurs, first-timers who were in fact guilty, that at least one would've panned out especially after all these years.
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    I assert that most other places, it very well would have. That's the key here.
    I think I should elaborate on that. As I stated in the "Clever or Lucky" thread, the Rs were amateurs, but their lawyers weren't.
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    Their actions and words are the strongest evidence against them. Yes, I agree. From the beginning, they have covered up, I believe for something their son did that night. They would have been much better off if they would have called 911 and let it go from there. There would have been an article in paper or on news, but would soon die down. They kept it going by being on tv constantly, declaring their innocence. Burke, if he is guilty,would have gotten help, no jail time. Yes, it would be a scandal on the family. But as it is,the scandal is worldwide. I don't believe, for a minute, that it would be in public's eye for almost 20 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carolbell View Post
    Their actions and words are the strongest evidence against them. Yes, I agree. From the beginning, they have covered up, I believe for something their son did that night. They would have been much better off if they would have called 911 and let it go from there. There would have been an article in paper or on news, but would soon die down. They kept it going by being on tv constantly, declaring their innocence. Burke, if he is guilty,would have gotten help, no jail time. Yes, it would be a scandal on the family. But as it is,the scandal is worldwide. I don't believe, for a minute, that it would be in public's eye for almost 20 years.
    To that end, carolbell, I said a while back (I don't remember where), that the Rs would not have done well in front of a jury. To illustrate my point, take a look at the Youtube documentary. Her barely-contained hostility and that "buggy-eyed" look of hers would not win her many friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    To that end, carolbell, I said a while back (I don't remember where), that the Rs would not have done well in front of a jury. To illustrate my point, take a look at the Youtube documentary. Her barely-contained hostility and that "buggy-eyed" look of hers would not win her many friends.
    But could a jury have pinned anything on John Ramsey? Although his demeanor was creepy and his story has more holes than Swiss Cheese, is there any evidence that he did anything criminal? He very well may have slept through the night and woken up to that nightmare. John is smart enough that he would have figured out what likely happened very quickly but for one reason or another kept quiet about it. Is that a crime?


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    Quote Originally Posted by andreww View Post
    But could a jury have pinned anything on John Ramsey? Although his demeanor was creepy and his story has more holes than Swiss Cheese, is there any evidence that he did anything criminal? He very well may have slept through the night and woken up to that nightmare. John is smart enough that he would have figured out what likely happened very quickly but for one reason or another kept quiet about it. Is that a crime?


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    At least one forensic specialist who studied the case said that if JB had been brought to a hospital, the father (meaning JR) would have been arrested. This was because of the CLEAR evidence of sexual contact that would have been detected. I believe at the very least, a jury could have found him guilty of obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting (BR) the killer as well as tampering with evidence. (the body). If it could have been proven that the vaginal stab with the paintbrush handle happened postmortem- that is desecration of a body. If it had happened before her death to cover up sexual penetration, that too would be considered sexual assault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andreww View Post
    But could a jury have pinned anything on John Ramsey? Although his demeanor was creepy and his story has more holes than Swiss Cheese, is there any evidence that he did anything criminal?
    That's a very good question, andreww.

    Number one, while I myself find his demeanor to be very off-putting, he didn't get to be a wealthy executive for nothing. That takes charisma, the power of persuasion, as it were. It might be easy for him to make others believe that he had nothing to do with it, whether PR or some schlemiel took the blame.

    He very well may have slept through the night and woken up to that nightmare. John is smart enough that he would have figured out what likely happened very quickly but for one reason or another kept quiet about it. Is that a crime?
    To paraphrase Fred Thompson from Law & Order, figuring it out is a far cry from knowing ie, being an eyewitness or accomplice. In those cases, failure to report can be considered a crime, depending on what state you're in. But merely thinking something, even with good reason, is a different animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolbell View Post
    Their actions and words are the strongest evidence against them. Yes, I agree. From the beginning, they have covered up, I believe for something their son did that night. They would have been much better off if they would have called 911 and let it go from there. There would have been an article in paper or on news, but would soon die down. They kept it going by being on tv constantly, declaring their innocence. Burke, if he is guilty,would have gotten help, no jail time. Yes, it would be a scandal on the family. But as it is,the scandal is worldwide. I don't believe, for a minute, that it would be in public's eye for almost 20 years.
    If the Ramseys had confessed that Burke killed JonBenet, everyone in Boulder would know about it, all their family members, friends, neighbors, co-workers, pageant people, etc would know that their 9-year-old son killed their 6-year-old daughter. Considering that John was a CEO in the community, it's not unrealistic to think the local media would take some interest in the case. They could move, but what if some concerned parent from Boulder warns parents that a 9-year-old killer is coming to live in their communiy?

    I think the Ramseys really thought that the country would buy their story. If they were worried about Burke killing JonBenet getting media attention, they wouldn't claim an intruder killed their daughter, left a ransom note, and go on national TV. I also think they have no regrets about going with the story they chose. Maybe they wish they hadn't left a practice note, or something like that, but I don't think they are annoyed by the attention in the last twenty years. Shortly before she died, ten years later, Patsy got an all-expenses paid trip to Hawaii to speak on some religious program about how she dealt with JonBenet's murder. The Ramseys got to retire earlier, they were still able to afford private school for Burke, private plane, vacations, multiple homes, etc, they have never said that Burke was treated badly at Lovett or Purdue, they've said in interviews that people they met were absolutely wonderful to them, they seemed to stay close with their family, etc.

    So I don't think neither John or Patsy wished that they had just called and confessed that their son killed their daughter in the first days of the case.

    ETA: I also think the Ramseys had zero idea how the country would react to the pageant pictures, how that would influence public opinion against them, play a significiant role in the amount of coverage, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if on 12/25-26, when deciding what the best course of action to take would, they never even considered the pageants.
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