Identified! IN - Rensselaer, WhtMale UP11379, SK victim, 'Arlene' on Zippo, Mar'82 - William Joseph “Bill” Lewis

CarlK90245 · Oct 4, 2010

There is not a DoeNet or NamUs case file on this victim.

He was brought up on the "Adam" and "Brad" Doe thread.

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To avoid discussion of multiple UID's on the same thread I am starting this thread.

The victim is mentioned in this article:

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/Sketches-from-Larry-Eyler-murder-spree

The third victim was 24-years-old. He had reddish brown hair and was wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt. Police believe he was picked up in the Vincennes area. He was later found on November 20th 1982. In his pocket was a black and silver zippo lighter with the name "Arlene" engraved on it.

The article incorrectly states that the victim was found with the remains of "Adam" and "Brad" Doe in Newton County. The Newton County Coroner has clarified that this victim was found in Jasper County.

CarlK90245 · Oct 4, 2010

For starters, here an MP that seems to be a reasonable possible for this Doe:

Leon Moncer
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/moncer_leon.html

His hair color fits the description, and he is a cigarette smoker (corresponding to the zippo lighter in the pocket).

chaddylex · Oct 5, 2010

CarlK90245 said:
For starters, here an MP that seems to be a reasonable possible for this Doe:

Leon Moncer
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/moncer_leon.html

His hair color fits the description, and he is a cigarette smoker (corresponding to the zippo lighter in the pocket).

What I noticed is that Leon's exwife name according to his Charley Project profile is "Irene", and if the zippos lighter had the name "Arlene" engraved on it... those two names are close... wonder if either the Charley page or the description of the zippo lighter are wrong.. just a thought..

carbuff · Oct 5, 2010

That looks like a very good possibility.

mortytbusybody · Oct 6, 2010

CarlK90245 - Leon looks promising, great job!:woohoo:

chaddylex said:
What I noticed is that Leon's exwife name according to his Charley Project profile is "Irene", and if the zippos lighter had the name "Arlene" engraved on it... those two names are close... wonder if either the Charley page or the description of the zippo lighter are wrong.. just a thought..

I noticed that too and thought maybe the daughter's name was "Arlene", but I found this article which states the daughter is named Julie: http://wtrf.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=31406

So going back to Chaddylex's theory it could be possible that since the newspaper article messed up the location the Doe was found perhaps they also misstated the name on the lighter? Is there anyway to find out more info on this?

carbuff · Oct 6, 2010

Depending on the script used for the engraving, I can see misreading "Irene" as "Arlene." And it might refer to a different woman, since it appears Leon and Irene had been separated for some time when he disappeared.

CarlK90245 · Nov 18, 2010

While sending a follow-up e-mail on a possible match submitted for Brad Doe, I also mentioned Leon Moncer as a possible match to this case. I acknowledged that I understood he wasn't in the same county, but his name is listed in the online article as the contact for all three unidentified Eyler-victim John Does. He responded by indicating the following:

Hi Carl;

yes you are correct that there is the one John Doe in Jasper County. The coroner over there and I are friends and meet every month to discuss these and other cases, so I will be happy to pass the info along to him. We have set up a "mini task-force" if you will which includes myself, Andy (Jasper County Coroner) and Dave (Indiana State Police Detective). We meet every month regardless of any new developments so that we keep these cases in the forefront of our minds and they do not end up on a shelf somewhere like has happened in the past.

So please keep the info coming and I will keep you updated as things progress.

Thanks so much for your interest and help;

Scott

carbuff · Nov 18, 2010

It's good to hear these guys talking about these cases and others seriously. And it's good to know they appreciate you. Thanks again!

CarlK90245 · Dec 1, 2010

I received another reply from Scott McCord regarding Leon Moncer:

Hi Carl;

Just wanted to keep you in the loop....we have been in contact with the police in Ohio and they are sending dental records for Leon to us for comparison to both the Jasper and Newton County cases. I will let you know if something comes of it.

Thanks;

Scott

CarlK90245 · Mar 15, 2011

They just added photos to Clay Foreman's previously photo-less NamUs casefile.

Clay Foreman
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/9344/3

I'm thinking that he might be worth a look as a possible to the Jasper County Doe.

BTW, I think that the 60" height notation in NamUs is incorrect. That's suspiciously short for a 19-year old male. They probably meant 6-Feet (i.e., 72 inches).

I kicked off an e-male to Scott McCord to give him a heads up on this case as a possible to the Jasper Doe and Brad Doe.

CarlK90245 · Mar 16, 2011

CarlK90245 said:
They just added photos to Clay Foreman's previously photo-less NamUs casefile.

Clay Foreman
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/9344/3

I'm thinking that he might be worth a look as a possible to the Jasper County Doe.

BTW, I think that the 60" height notation in NamUs is incorrect. That's suspiciously short for a 19-year old male. They probably meant 6-Feet (i.e., 72 inches).

I kicked off an e-male to Scott McCord to give him a heads up on this case as a possible to the Jasper Doe and Brad Doe.

I sent an e-mail to the detective in charge of Clay Foreman's casefile to verify whether Clay's height info was correct. He says that Clay was 5'8". Not 60 inches, as indicated in NamUs.

Gretchen21 · Feb 16, 2012

How many vicitims of this loser is still unidentified? I read a book about him years ago...........from time to time i'll google his name to see if anything new comes up.

CarlK90245 · Feb 16, 2012

Gretchen21 said:
How many vicitims of this loser is still unidentified?

There are three including this John Doe. The other two are known as "Adam Doe" and "Brad Doe".

IN IN- "Adam" 999UMIN and "Brad" 1384UMIN Doe, 18 Oct. 1983 - Larry Eyler victims

carbuff · Sep 15, 2012

Did you ever hear back about Leon Moncer or Clay Foreman?

rainwater · Mar 8, 2014

Bumping this up-no action since 2009. Discussion of this UID as possible SK Eyler victim according to previous posts.

dogperson · Mar 11, 2014

According to Charley Project, Leon's lighter was actually found in his car, so it can't be the Zippo lighter found on the UID.

CarlK90245 · Mar 11, 2014

dogperson said:
According to Charley Project, Leon's lighter was actually found in his car, so it can't be the Zippo lighter found on the UID.

He might have had more than one lighter (a good one to keep in his pocket, and a disposable one to keep in his car).

I am doubting this was Leon though, just because it's been a couple of years since I submitted, and they probably would have done the comparison by now.

CarlK90245 · Feb 25, 2015

There is now a NamUs UP Casefile for this John Doe.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11379

They have the Date of Discovery set at March 1982. I had previously had it set at November 1982.

lindamichelle1 · Mar 30, 2015

That first guy looks like a dead ringer, wonder if he was ruled out

bessie · Oct 1, 2015

Image of the Zippo Lighter

Snipped from a March 2013 Indiana State Police news release

Victim #3 is a white male, between 20-22 years of age, around 506-508 in height, with a slight build and reddish shoulder length hair. He was possibly last seen on US 41 near Vincennes, Indiana. Victim #3 was wearing Levis brand jeans, tennis, shoes and a gray hooded sweat shirt. He may have had a lighter with the name Arlene on it (see attached photo).

If anyone has information on the identity of these individuals, please contact the Indiana State Police at (800) 453-4756 or CIS@isp.IN.gov.

https://local.nixle.com/alert/4968834/?sub_id=1254023

Identified! IN - Rensselaer, WhtMale UP11379, SK victim, 'Arlene' on Zippo, Mar'82 - William Joseph “Bill” Lewis

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