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Thread: WA-Chris Wilson chrg'd w/Murderof Mackenzie Cowell, 17, Wenatchee, 9 Feb 2010 #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnonymous View Post
    I don't know if this will help anyone from out of town at all, but I tried putting this picture together from Google Earth labeling the major businesses around this building. The image is attached at the bottom.

    As you can see the building is in a pretty central location and privacy is slim to none. While I agree that it would technically be "possible" to take the body right out the front door, I don't find it probable. Even if it was late at night he would have to be very cautious of officers coming to and from the jail and juvenile. If the front entrance was used, IMO, a look-out person would be highly necessary.

    I should also add that houses are mixed in all around these businesses as well. Many of us could have very possibly driven by, been grocery shopping, checking our mail, making a deposit, or getting an eye exam never knowing we were so close to what took place. Such a sad, heartbreaking thought.
    Is the bldg old, as the look and brick suggests, and does it have elevators or stairs only? Almost looks like a conversion from a hotel. Wasn't expecting to see a 6-story brick apartment bldg in Wenatchee.

    I wholeheartedly agree. Not a grand location for a planned killing and subsequent removal of the body without help or detection. At least not from a logical standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyoldtime48 View Post
    Is the bldg old, as the look and brick suggests, and does it have elevators or stairs only? Almost looks like a conversion from a hotel. Wasn't expecting to see a 6-story brick apartment bldg in Wenatchee.

    I wholeheartedly agree. Not a grand location for a planned killing and subsequent removal of the body without help or detection. At least not from a logical standpoint.

    I believe the building dates back to the 1930's and is a historical landmark. And yes, it does have an elevator.

    Another piece of info... The owner of these apartments also owns a bail bonds business that is ran out of this building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnonymous View Post
    I believe the building dates back to the 1930's and is a historical landmark. And yes, it does have an elevator.

    Another piece of info... The owner of these apartments also owns a bail bonds business that is ran out of this building.
    Yeah, I noticed Google maps has that identified as Schxxxxxx Bail Bonds. Can't see, them wanting any part of ponying up bail for CW. Oh well!

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    Little different take on happenings in the courtroom yesterday, including video.

    Tad disturbing to me there were apparently many more people there to show support for CW than for Mac.

    http://www.kxly.com/news/25454508/detail.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyoldtime48 View Post
    When is the last time a not-yet-convicted murderer went into court and pleaded guilty? All part of due process, and much as we may hate it, he has the right to be faced with the evidence and his accusers (the State, in this instance) in a court of law and dispute the charges and the evidence. The State has to PROVE him guilty and even DNA evidence can be refuted by a good attorney. Think OJ.

    Heck, they might try pleading down to a lesser charge before it goes to trial, but only an attorney who doesn't like his job would make no attempt at providing a defense. We are a long way from an actual trial yet, and there is still much more evidence and a whole bunch of legal wrangling to go on before March. This ride is just beginning.
    Keep in mind he only has a public defender...not the dream team. No PD is going to waste alot of effort trying to dispute DNA. States not going to give you the funding.

    But I guess it depends on where you live. In my state, what they have now would be enough to get capital murder one. No negotiations, no pleas...just the needle. Insanity would not apply. The only way you might save your skin would be go in remorseful, confess and plead guilty...maybe life without parole...if you are lucky.

    If I could find out two things:
    1. Where is MC's cellphone?
    2. Who helped him move her to where she was found?

    What are this guy's stats, weight? height?
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    What are this guy's stats, weight? height?



    I would say just by looking at him compared to others.... I would guess between 6 ft and 6.3 and approx 175 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgk10414 View Post
    Keep in mind he only has a public defender...not the dream team. No PD is going to waste alot of effort trying to dispute DNA. States not going to give you the funding.

    But I guess it depends on where you live. In my state, what they have now would be enough to get capital murder one. No negotiations, no pleas...just the needle. Insanity would not apply. The only way you might save your skin would be go in remorseful, confess and plead guilty...maybe life without parole...if you are lucky.

    If I could find out two things:
    1. Where is MC's cellphone?
    2. Who helped him move her to where she was found?

    What are this guy's stats, weight? height?
    Regardless of being paid by the State, his attorney is still required to put up a working defense if client chooses to plead not guilty. Still have rights to all discovery and due process.

    Check this link out for an example of State-paid attorneys at work, in a capital murder case. And they haven't even gotten to Motions in front of judge yet (was scheduled for today, but a defense attorney was ill, so postponed):

    http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/default.asp

    Ineffective representation = almost guaranteed appeal. Even the State of WA won't keep attorneys like that on the payroll. Right to trial is thankfully still in effect in this country. His attorney waived right to speedy trial because of the mountain of evidence that will have to be sorted through. That doesn't sound like he isn't going to bother to take this seriously. He wants time to be able to put together a defense strategy.

    But he would also be remiss after looking at the evidence if he didn't advise his client to take a plea deal "if" offered. I would hope the prosecutor doesn't even consider that since the charge is still only Murder 2.

    State pays for all of this either way. Do they have the Constitutional right to only pay the judge and the prosecutors to do a thorough and fair job, but not the defense? Not even.

    Cell phone I suspect was smashed into many pieces and then either tossed into the river or buried under a rock or and apple tree. Needle in a haystack would be easier to find.

    We don't yet know if CW had any help or not. It sure would make moving a body a lot easier, but also remember that there was a "drag trail" at CB from the driveway down to the river. Two people presumably would not need to drag her.

    Middle of the night would be less problematic to sneak a body out of those apartments, but still not an easy task at all. And then presumably into trunk of a car? Tough, but not impossible.

    Haven't seen his height or weight put out officially, but unless the officers escorting him to-from court are below average height for males, he's 6-ft or more. And thin. I stink at guessing weights, but maybe 160-175 range, if he's around 6 to 6-2. Several good shots in that courtroom video from KXLY, and he appears to be the tallest person standing in all of them.

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    This is a tad bit disturbing to me. My granddaughter told me some friends (girls) of hers who went to court because they knew Mac. You would think they would be disgusted by what he (CW) is accused of doing but the girls thought he was cute tall, attractive. They said he probably could be charming. They didn't even know him. Could he have a chrismatic personality over girls Would Mac kinda feel the same way? Maybe that is why so many girls are saying he did'nt do it. Also it might have been stated but how long had CW been going to beauty school?

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    The shaded area in the google picture has an entrance into the building from the street. Basically the "back way". The picture in the Wenatchee World is from the south side of the picture. The Plaza grocery store is a glorified convenience store that I would most certainly not want to be any where around after dark....if you know what I mean. This area of town isn't the best. The courthouse is across from the BH but the jail is on the back side (right hand side of the picture) so he really can't see it from his cell. It's too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOJO View Post
    This is a tad bit disturbing to me. My granddaughter told me some friends (girls) of hers who went to court because they knew Mac. You would think they would be disgusted by what he (CW) is accused of doing but the girls thought he was cute tall, attractive. They said he probably could be charming. They didn't even know him. Could he have a chrismatic personality over girls Would Mac kinda feel the same way? Maybe that is why so many girls are saying he did'nt do it. Also it might have been stated but how long had CW been going to beauty school?
    Classic type of personality to be an abuser, or heck, a serial killer. Females being attracted to that makes me physically ill when they KNOW what type of person lurks underneath.

    But Mac probably never knew. At least not until it was too late.

    Charming ought to be the number one "be careful" warning. Bundy used it very effectively, as I'm sure other killers have. I've seen it in a number of people personally who as it turns out were classic abusers. But never, ever let that abusive persona out in public. Always presented as charming as a snake and funny and friendly when "others" were watching and rarely let their guard down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soozb4 View Post
    The shaded area in the google picture has an entrance into the building from the street. Basically the "back way". The picture in the Wenatchee World is from the south side of the picture. The Plaza grocery store is a glorified convenience store that I would most certainly not want to be any where around after dark....if you know what I mean. This area of town isn't the best. The courthouse is across from the BH but the jail is on the back side (right hand side of the picture) so he really can't see it from his cell. It's too bad.
    Is the Plaza open 24 hours? Where is it exactly in relation to the south entrance of the apartment bldg? From aerial looks to me like houses just across the street to the south, or are those zoned commercial and converted to businesses? I think if I were trying to spirit a body out the south entrance after dark, I'd be worried most about the houses which seem to offer an unobstructed view of the south parking lot.

    Although I doubt anybody would look out a window and imagine they were seeing a body being loaded into a vehicle, even in a less than desirable neighborhood.

    My guess is she was wrapped up in something. Rug, blanket or tarp which was held on with duct tape. Then a piece of the tape pulled loose when she was being drug down to the river. Blessedly he missed that, but why the knife left behind?

    A very disorganized crime. Or so it seems based on what we currently know.

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    There are two business, well, three around the shaded area which is called Methow street. There is a bank (Cashmere valley) which has parking in that area, a massage therapy practice in an old house, and an insurance agency. If he waited until dark, went out the back of the building (Methow street) and put her in his car, I doubt he would be seen. Remember, this was in February so it was getting dark early.
    The Plaza is across the street from the main door on Okanogan street. There are some shrubs that are in the shaded area of the photo that would probably block the view from the Plaza. If I remember correctly, the parking area on Methow street is lower than Okanogan street, so that would make it more difficult. I will try to get some pictures tomorrow to help explain it better.

    I'm not sure if the Plaza is still open 24/7.

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    Here is a Googled map of the BH/AHD & Orondo boat launch. The yellow arrow is the BH, the black arrow is the courthouse, the blue arrow is the academy of hair design and the red arrow is the Orondo street boat launch. As you can see, it's almost a straight shot for Mac to go from the Academy to the BH and to the boat launch...almost a triangle.
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    Front of the BH from the Plaza Super Jet parking lot. This faces Okanogan street. CW apartment on the right and back side.
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    This is the back of the BH. CW's room is the one on the lower left with the window shade open. The second picture is a door at was cut off at the end of the last picture. If you make a sharp left, you'll go right into the "shaded" area in the original googled picture that was posted a few days ago. You can see the top of CW's window. This is taken from the Methow street side.
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    This is the shadowed parking lot. There is an additional door on this side, and a couple of rolling doors. I'm not sure if this is for winter parking of boats, etc or what they're used for. But there are two actual doors that lead from the back and side of this building, both within a few feet of each other.
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    It looks like they've cleaned out the bushes around that other parking lot. I don't know when they did that, so the original "hedge" type shrubs could have been there in February. This is looking at the Plaza from the parking lot and then looking at the parking lot from the Plaza. I still think someone could have gone unnoticed out the side door since that BH lot is lower than the street. You can't see the first few cars in photo 1 in photo 2.
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    The bail bonds place is tucked in the very corner of the shaded lot. I'm not sure how long this business has been there. And the second picture is our courthouse from the BH parking lot.
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    I just tried to post this..I screwed up somehow. I know there is a strong suspect " CW" for the murder of Mack. But remember in the beginng it was said that there was evidence at the spec house and also at CB house. I thought it was inside...ok and then someone tipped LE about the turnout at CB. ( I thought they found something)???? So doesn't that mean that someone else knows what happened? I mean that isn't just saying CW is weird and you should check him out. He wouldn't call in a tip on himself. This probably doesn't make sense. lol

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    I've been thinking the same thing 2Shy. And the open house where something gruesome was found. I've heard that story from several in the community who know the woman showing the house that day. I think, too, that the broken glass in the police report was supposed to be from the spec house. IMO he had help in some way...either before or after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soozb4 View Post
    I've been thinking the same thing 2Shy. And the open house where something gruesome was found. I've heard that story from several in the community who know the woman showing the house that day. I think, too, that the broken glass in the police report was supposed to be from the spec house. IMO he had help in some way...either before or after the fact.
    Thanks, I thought I was losing it. The glass has bugged me alot. Didn't they mentioned that after the second car search??? I can't remember... I still sort of think they knew something was really wrong when they found the car. Just my opinion...

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    Thanks so much, Soozb4, for you pics. They will help those who aren't familiar with our area to get a better idea as to what the layout is. I wondered who the tipster was also. Someone who helped or knew about the crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Shy View Post
    I just tried to post this..I screwed up somehow. I know there is a strong suspect " CW" for the murder of Mack. But remember in the beginng it was said that there was evidence at the spec house and also at CB house. I thought it was inside...ok and then someone tipped LE about the turnout at CB. ( I thought they found something)???? So doesn't that mean that someone else knows what happened? I mean that isn't just saying CW is weird and you should check him out. He wouldn't call in a tip on himself. This probably doesn't make sense. lol
    Do you have link to a media story please to support anything being taken by LE from the spec house? I can't recall any mention of that other than local rumors, which don't count here...her car and the fact they did go into the CB residence plus all around it was reported on or backed up by publicly available copies of warrants.

    TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOJO View Post
    Thanks so much, Soozb4, for you pics. They will help those who aren't familiar with our area to get a better idea as to what the layout is. I wondered who the tipster was also. Someone who helped or knew about the crime?
    Seems whatever they did or didn't actually find at the turnout/switchback was a dead end, at least from this story.

    http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2...sh-tip/?online

    But IIRC, there was a news conference in which an investigator or spokesperson stated it would have pointed them at a specific person or persons? My sense is it was a dead end, IF they found anything.

    Can't personally imagine anybody with any actual involvement would have been stupid enough to make that call.

    Will have to dig to see if I can find that video and post a link. Do recall it was a bit more info than is here, even if a slip if the tongue.

    Sort of like the press conference where they would only say that the piece of duct tape was found "near" Mac's body, then turned around and offered up that it was on the "drag trail." Not just on the "trail" above where she was found, but the drag trail.

    Ditto on thanks to Soozb4 for the photos. Ground level from the neighborhood does help!

    ETA: I'm not sure if this was the original video I was thinking of, but still very insightful. Per reporter, police DID find something, but won't say what. It did send them to speak to at least 3 or 4 people. At that time, LE stated there was no apparent link to the Academy (referred to as beauty school here) or its customers. We now know that was a premature "exclusion" even if only a "soft exclusion."

    That was on June 18.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/9...html?tab=video

    By the way, if you also go to kxly.com and search "Mackenzie Cowell" there are a number of interesting videos related to this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anyoldtime48 View Post
    Do you have link to a media story please to support anything being taken by LE from the spec house? I can't recall any mention of that other than local rumors, which don't count here...her car and the fact they did go into the CB residence plus all around it was reported on or backed up by publicly available copies of warrants.

    TIA
    I see where you are going with this. Those may have been rumors. It may have totally come from here. I can look at the WW articles and see what I can find but how do you link it if you can find it???

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