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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    I also want to know what they were referring to when then said "still in the plastic container". They later referred to the pink nightie as being in a plastic bag, so I don't think they would refer to a plastic bag as a "container". We can see that the doll seems to be still in its plastic box, and I can see them referring to the box as a container.
    I think that it also may be referring to items photographed in evidence containers. IMO the blanket could be in a clear plastic tote and the nightgown in a clear plastic evidence bag.

    It would sure help if WE could see the photos he's questioning her about!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec View Post
    Patsy: That is a barbie doll under there.
    Why didn't Det. Haney follow up on that statement??? This is what makes me mad. I have seen statments made by both John and Patsy that could have been scrutinized by law-enforcement and they just totally blew it.
    Toltec,
    Possibly he did not want to be seen leading Patsy, they knew the evidence had been redacted, so its likely only the R's would know of its existence?

    1998 BPD Patsy Interview
    19 TOM HANEY: Okay. You know, it appears --

    20 PATSY RAMSEY: That is a Barbie doll under

    21 there.

    22 TOM HANEY: It appears from the waist down

    23 you can see that much, but from the waist up, because

    24 of the plastic, there is a flash and the reflection

    25 that is washed out.

    0385

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. The nightgowns were

    2 kept in the bathroom, in her bathroom in the side

    3 drawer there. Her pajamas were there.

    ...
    I reckon the barbie doll is in the wine-cellar since the photo is of the barbie-nightgown. If Tom Haney was going to switch topic, say to the bedroom, he would have said to Patsy "here we have picture nn, showing JonBenet's bedroom." "Under there" must refer to the Barbie Nightgown.

    Here is a much clearer photo showing the white blanket and the Barbie Nightgown. Under which I reckon Tom Haney elicits an identification from Patsy e.g. Barbie Doll , I'm assuming Tom Haney never used that phrase. If this is correct then it also agrees with posters who have also identified the blurry image as a Barbie Doll.

    Look closer at the Barbie Nightgown and to me it appears quite bloodstained, so was JonBenet killed whilst wearing the Barbie Nightgown, and playing with her doll?




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    I still stand by my opinion that she was wearing the nightgown when it happened.

    JOHN RAMSEY: It wouldn't be, no,
    6 it would be unusual for her to have those on.
    7 Leggings, kind of just a regular nightgown. She
    8 didn't always wear a nightgown to bed. If she
    9 was awake when she went to bed, she got into a
    10 nightgown
    and brushed her teeth, got into bed.
    11 But if she was asleep, we usually just tried to
    12 make her comfortable, make sure she was warm.
    13 Didn't go into the trouble of getting her into a
    14 nightgown, necessarily. Sometimes she had a tee
    15 shirt on.


    JOHN RAMSEY: I laid her on the
    21 bed. I didn't -- I don't remember the cover,
    22 if the bed was made or not, but I laid her on
    23 the bed. Because I knew Patsy would follow up
    24 to put her nightgown on and get her ready for
    25 bed.
    0498



    LOU SMIT: We have heard
    16 that a Barbie nightgown was one of her
    17 favorite nightgowns. What can you tell us
    18 about that?
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think she had a
    20 Barbie nightgown, yeah, as I recall. Pink,
    21 maybe.
    22 LOU SMIT: The night you put
    23 her in bed, do you remember anything about
    24 a Barbie nightgown?
    25 JOHN RAMSEY: When I put
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    1 her to bed she had on, when I laid her
    2 down in the bed, she had on what she had
    3 worn to the Whites. She had that same
    4 shirt on when I found her.
    (BS IMO.He first says put her to bed,which IMO indicates she was awake,then changes it to laid her down in the bed)


    The redressing.....maybe it wasn't done just to clean her up .......it was also part of the "she was sleeping when we arrived home" scenario .And why does JR say the gown shouldn't be there??Because they forgot to get rid of it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    Look closer at the Barbie Nightgown and to me it appears quite bloodstained, so was JonBenet killed whilst wearing the Barbie Nightgown, and playing with her doll?




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    Dunno in which depo it is but it's either Beckner or ST who says that the nightgown had blood on it.I swear I read it somewhere.


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    6 LOU SMIT: And then we have a

    7 Barbie or a nightgown. There is just

    8 suggestions that are made to that, and

    9 what's your opinion of that, and what's

    10 your impression?

    11 JOHN RAMSEY: God, I can only

    12 imagine it. That that was something very

    13 perverted.




    Perverted?


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    Help.

    How tall was that Brabie doll they are talking about?
    And did JB's Barbie gown fit the doll as well?
    Or where there two separate Barbie gowns?one belonging to the doll,one was JB's?



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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Dunno in which depo it is but it's either Beckner or ST who says that the nightgown had blood on it.I swear I read it somewhere.
    madeleine,
    Samples were taken from the Barbie Nightgown to be used for DNA testing. e.g. #17A, #17C .

    "The FIRST DNA TESTS"

    Remember that Screen Capture of the DNA lab report shown on the 48 Hours program? It wasn't clear, but here's what I got out of it:

    LAB CLASS XX???-2136(?)-4153(?) SECTION: DNA TESTING
    AGENCY(?) NAME – CD0878136 – F2 ACBLDER(?)

    EXTRACTED(?) BY: blacked out EXTRACTION DATE: 123196(?)
    ABSTRACT(X) AFA(?) ?/? ???
    RAMSEY, PATSY W/F
    RAMSEY, JOHN W/M
    RAMSEY, JONBENET W/F

    Two lines BLACKED OUT
    DATE COMPLETED/JANUARY 13, 1997
    EXTRACT(?) DESCRIPTION
    #5A,5B# (?) Bloodstains from shirt
    #7 Bloodstains from panties
    #14B Bloodstain ????? from JonBenet Ramsey
    #14J DNA? Or Swab? with Saliva????
    #14L, #14M Right and Left hand fingernails from JonBenet Ramsey
    #15A, #15B Samples from tape
    Bloodstains from white blanket
    #17A, #17C Bloodstains from nightgown??
    #13A, #13B Semen ??? stain from black blanket
    Bloodstain Standard from John Andrew Ramsey
    If corect then this should change our assumptions regarding what JonBenet was wearing prior to being killed. I've always suspected she was wearing that Barbie Nightgown. Also why is the white blanket not as blood-stained as the nightgown, if the nightgown arrived in the wine-cellar accidently?

    Looks like we need to revise the RDI to include the Barbie Nightgown and Blood-stained Barbie Doll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Help.

    How tall was that Brabie doll they are talking about?
    And did JB's Barbie gown fit the doll as well?
    Or where there two separate Barbie gowns?one belonging to the doll,one was JB's?

    madeleine,
    I think there was two, or more, and that Patsy's sister purchased one for JonBenet.

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    20 PATSY RAMSEY: That is a Barbie doll under

    21 there.

    22 TOM HANEY: It appears from the waist down

    23 you can see that much, but from the waist up, because

    24 of the plastic, there is a flash and the reflection

    25 that is washed out.

    0385

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. The nightgowns were

    2 kept in the bathroom, in her bathroom in the side

    3 drawer there. Her pajamas were there.

    4 TOM HANEY: All of them?

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Unless they were in the dirty

    6 clothes.



    IMO they were talking about a doll that was down there (and collected as evidence because it was in a plastic bag,right?) and she changes the subject.

    Thoughts?

    This is getting interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    6 LOU SMIT: And then we have a

    7 Barbie or a nightgown. There is just

    8 suggestions that are made to that, and

    9 what's your opinion of that, and what's

    10 your impression?

    11 JOHN RAMSEY: God, I can only

    12 imagine it. That that was something very

    13 perverted.




    Perverted?
    madeleine,


    Good find! Nicee! Perverted , so he knew , he knew the prior molestation would eventually be revealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: That is a Barbie doll under

    21 there.

    22 TOM HANEY: It appears from the waist down

    23 you can see that much, but from the waist up, because

    24 of the plastic, there is a flash and the reflection

    25 that is washed out.

    0385

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. The nightgowns were

    2 kept in the bathroom, in her bathroom in the side

    3 drawer there. Her pajamas were there.

    4 TOM HANEY: All of them?

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Unless they were in the dirty

    6 clothes.



    IMO they were talking about a doll that was down there (and collected as evidence because it was in a plastic bag,right?) and she changes the subject.

    Thoughts?

    This is getting interesting.
    madeleine,

    100% correct , actually that is why I chose that excerpt, but forgot to mention that Patsy veers off course, as I dotted the i's and t's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    madeleine,
    Samples were taken from the Barbie Nightgown to be used for DNA testing. e.g. #17A, #17C .



    If corect then this should change our assumptions regarding what JonBenet was wearing prior to being killed. I've always suspected she was wearing that Barbie Nightgown. Also why is the white blanket not as blood-stained as the nightgown, if the nightgown arrived in the wine-cellar accidently?

    Looks like we need to revise the RDI to include the Barbie Nightgown and Blood-stained Barbie Doll.

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    ITA.

    Pls can anyone tell me how tall the doll was?
    Maybe it was the doll which was placed on the blanket trying to fool......who?
    Ugh I have to re-read those interviews again.Something's weird about the gowns and the doll,why would LE insist so much and why would the R's block the questions about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    madeleine,


    Good find! Nicee! Perverted , so he knew , he knew the prior molestation would eventually be revealed.

    .



    Maybe he means that the gown belongs to the doll and the doll was stripped naked.And that would be creepy indeed.Was the doll naked when they found it.Cause otherwise why would you call the find perverted?


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    Maybe they tried to redress JB with the doll's gown and it didn't fit.Maybe BR knew that she went to bed wearing hers,so they needed one that looked the same.But it didn't fit OR had blood on it as well. (depends on how tall the doll was,dunno)


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    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-Flight75...ck12261996.htm

    In the area where Det. Arndt had told Det. Everett that the decedent had been found by her father he observed two blankets on the floor in the center of the room. (BLACKED OUT ARE)

    They definitely found something else there,the blacked out part?


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