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    Jessie...is this remotely possible?

    Ok I'm rereading the court transcripts. It's taking a while-wife/mom/work-all that good stuff

    After rereading Jessie's confessions-I'm just blown away at how inconsistent he was from one confession to the next and even within the same confession.

    Is it even remotely possible that Jessie-coming from a poor family/not very bright-made all this up from the stories he heard and at times was fed by investigators (even the strongest arguments for their guilt have to admit he was CONSTANTLY being led in his confessions-he never once just told a story of what happened....he was questioned with the majority of questions being considered leading)?

    What if after being questioned the first few hours for the first time....he enjoyed the attention and the more attention he got-the further into it he went.

    Is this even worth considering?

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    oh just for the record.....I no longer consider myself for/against anymore.....I'm starting completely over.

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    I've put together a doc comparing Jessie's statements to each other..

    Last edited by Mrs G Norris; 10-09-2010 at 12:17 AM. Reason: linked wrong file.....

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    ....and part 2 ....



    PDF....
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    that is great!

    It's also interesting in the 4th confession regarding the boys being raped-he says what you have written then within a few minutes later-he recants it.

    Also-I'd have to read to find it but his statements about what they were doing when they first saw/heard the little boys.........one confession he says he, damien, and jason were all in the water when the boys came up on their bikes. Another confession he says they were not in the water...they heard the boys and damien made noises to get them to come to them.

    I know a lot of people look at 4 confessions and see guilt but when you really look at them and think about the person making these confessions it leaves me with a lot of doubt. I guess I would feel better about them if he'd been asked what happened and he told his side rather than being asked the questions in the manner he was asked.

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    ^ sorry the bit about them meeting / being in the water is in the first file, I had mistakenly linked the same file twice....They are interesting to see side by side I have to say. I decided to leave opinion out of these because it's quite open to interpretation that way. Hope they're balanced.

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    Thank you Mrs. G Norris for doing that.. that's great. I hope you don't mind but I saved a copy for my records. If you do mind, I will delete it.

    The most important thing for me in those first two confessions (I actually only count them as one, but technically I'm wrong.. lol) is this area:

    RIDGE: okay, now when this is going on, when this is taking place, you saw somebody with a knife., who had a knife?
    JESSIE: Jason
    RIDGE: Jason had a knife, what did he cut with the knife. What did you see him cut or who did you see him cut?
    JESSIE: I saw him cut one of the little boys
    RIDGE: Alright, where did he cut him at?
    JESSIE: He was cutting him in the face.
    RIDGES: Cutting him in the face. Alright, another boy was cut I understand., where was he cut at?
    JESSIE: At the bottom
    RIDGE: On his bottom? Was he faced down and he was cutting on him, or
    JESSIE: He was
    GITCHELL: Now you're talking about bottom, do you mean right here?
    JESSIE: Yes
    GITCHELL: In his groin area?
    JESSIE: Yes
    GITCHELL: Okay
    RIDGE: Do you know what his penis is?
    JESSIE: Yeah, that's where he was cut at.
    RIDGE: That's where he was cut.
    GITCHELL: Which boy was that?
    JESSIE: That one right there.
    GITCHELL: You're talking about the Byers boy again?
    JESSIE: Yes


    They are two facts to me that Jessie should not have known had he not been there.

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    ^ That's fine, save away! ....that's why I included the PDF : )

    And I absolutely agree with you regarding the statement above (now we know that the people who are determined to believe that this is a false confession will say he was coached, that the police are part of a huge conspiracy etc, and nothing in the evidence files can be trusted) that that's exactly the kind of corroborating evidence the police would have been looking for in a confession. Also the whiskey bottle thrown down the overpass which was recovered later puts him right at the scene of the crime and corroborates his story, that's something that cannot be fabricated.. actually I should have given that tit-bit it's own row in retrospect.

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    I think its possible that story (being cut off) was already out there....I really do. JMB does not strike me as the type of person that would keep information to himself....he loved the attention in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurensmom View Post
    I think its possible that story (being cut off) was already out there....I really do. JMB does not strike me as the type of person that would keep information to himself....he loved the attention in my opinion.

    Over the years of researching and following this case, including looking through all the old newspaper and tv reports, the only thing that is mentioned before Jessie's confession is that the boys were mutilated. Of course if someone can show me a media report that states one boy was cut in the face, and that only Christopher was mutilated.. I will willing concede my error.


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    I just know I have been nearby when a couple of horrible things have taken place, (nothing like a crime of course) but I have been surprised at just how much my mind has blocked out. It's hard to explain it. It is kind of like you know what happened, but you can not recall all the little details. Maybe I am the only one that this happens to. But if Jesse said he was there and he was drinking, and he named the other 2 perpetrators, I can't think he made it up just because he can't keep all the little details straight.

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    well, admittedly I haven't researched this case much but after seeing Mrs. G. Norris' statement comparison graph (thank you Mrs. - fantastic work!), I really don't see much in the way of inconsistencies - the time of day is the big one that really concerned me & yet apparently he admitted to intentionally lying about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurensmom View Post
    oh just for the record.....I no longer consider myself for/against anymore.....I'm starting completely over.

    I am neither for nor against them either.

    I fall 100% in the camp that enough is wrong with the case that they at a minimum deserve a new trial. If they are guilty the evidence should show that in the bright light of a new trial with the world watching.

    If they aren't guilty or the evidence has been so mangled by LE that it can't be proven than this whole thing is a travesty that will only be compounded further by executing someone who was not proven guilty in a reasonable manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyone View Post
    Over the years of researching and following this case, including looking through all the old newspaper and tv reports, the only thing that is mentioned before Jessie's confession is that the boys were mutilated. Of course if someone can show me a media report that states one boy was cut in the face, and that only Christopher was mutilated.. I will willing concede my error.
    Sometimes information does not get out in such a small community by way of a TV report or newspaper, especially for someone like Jessie I would imagine...a good morning read of the paper or the TV tuned to CNN is probably not his style.

    I find it highly probable that this explanation is feasible:
    http://www.freewebs.com/boohiss13/mi...onfessions.htm

    "(In Gitchell’s testimony on the stand he states that Jessie knew about the castration of Christopher Byers and that was not public knowledge, when in fact, that was not true. If you will look at John Mark Byers statement of 5-19-93 he describes Todd Moore becoming confused that all boys were castrated and John finding out it was only his son; so there was dicussion between the families and possibly those who knew them. ALSO, the Commercial Appeal, local newspaper, picked up chatter about the murders on their police scanner, hearing about the castration, and printed it in the next day’s paper. This is not something only the police knew)"

    I am from a small town population 2,000 and my next door neighbor was the fire chief. We knew everything that was happening in the County as we were the county seat, due to his scanner.

    Can everyone say for certain that before this taped confession of Jessie's that he was never shown any photos to scare him into confessing? There is no videotape of the entire interrogation nor is their audio, so are we all completely confident that in prior questioning or local rumor that Jessie could not have known that a boy was cut both on "the bottom" and on "the face"?

    Why if he knows what a penis is does he say on the bottom?
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    Can everyone say for certain that before this taped confession of Jessie's that he was never shown any photos to scare him into confessing?
    I can say that Misskelley has never even made the accusation.

    I can also say the presumption of innocence applies to the police as well as the defendant, so there is certainly no reason to presume this happened unless one simply needs to believe it did.

    So it's pretty much on you at this point.

    You can either show us this happened, or you can't.

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