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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    Yes, the law about military pensions is ridiculous and unfair. However, it will be many years before RW is eligible to collect it and I would like to think those laws will be changed long before then. We don’t know yet what will happen with any of his money. It’s still possible that the victims will be awarded large portions of it. I hope so.

    In the meantime, I am grateful this animal has been caught, has confessed, is pleading guilty, and will be in a cage at a maximum security prison until he draws his last breath – whether that’s sooner or later. His reign of terror is over. If I had been one of his victims, that would be the most important consolation. Anything more would just be icing on the cake.

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    ITA agree with your entire post on this AG.

    If he isn't designated a DO, and doesn't suicide in prison, dude will be 72/73 when he is released ... that would still be enough time for him to rest on his laurels with a goodly sum.

    Military pension = taxpayers' money. Probably set us back $150,000 to $200,000 a year between his care while in custody and his pensions. Sure burns my chaps to think this animal would ever receive one red cent, so hopefully his victims will receive a judgment against all future funds.


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    I hope you are right Antiquegirl and I hope that I am wrong.

    There are just too many unusual things about this case which make me wonder.

    His behavior in College seems a little creepy to me. Although his behavior appeared to have relatively innocent motives at the time, he was indeed breaking and entering on a regular basis at that time. He apparently gave this up for 20 years only to suddenly begin a sadistic crime spree?

    He has all the characteristics of a Psychopath and nobody at DND caught onto this? They actually found these characteristics admirable enough to be worthy of promotion?

    Is he honestly going to qualify for parole in 25 years? Would this not be an injustice considering we have a Dangerous Offenders program which for some reason fails to have been mentioned?

    Indeed, Why did he document the evidence in a manner of which any investigator can admire? Could it be to provide LE with what is essentially the crown jewel of their case and thus to be used as a high value bargaining chip?

    Why is there no mention of any other evidence? Didn't he leave DNA all over one girls bedroom?

    Why was he "cocky" at the time of his confession? Does this not indicate a man who feels he has "one-up" on investigators?

    Hypothetically, If RW is the perpetrator of many unsolved crimes of the last twenty years, some of which may be high-profile, and this perpetrator not only got away with them for so long but was promoted to the highest levels of the DND; Then when I say "they" as in "they are trying to cover their butts", I mean anybody who has personal gain by not seeing this case go to trial lest it expose their negligence, and anybody they can influence. This would include some very powerful people. Also the "mountain of evidence" that he has handed over would no longer be considered a mountain when considering all the crimes he may be guilty of under this hypothesis, but rather a molehill.

    I have no-where near enough facts to know conclusively what the story is. The facts indicate to me that there is far more to the story than what MSM reports. For example it is common knowledge now that LE was onto RW upon recognizing his tire treads. So are we to believe that LE obtained a search warrant based on a set of tire-treads? Is there a problem with the judge that gave out the warrant? or MSM's reporting of the story? Or is there obviously more to this story that for some reason LE is not telling?

    Like I said, I hope my hypothesis is wrong, but thank-you AntiqueGirl for furthering this discussion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by star traveller View Post
    I hope you are right Antiquegirl and I hope that I am wrong.

    There are just too many unusual things about this case which make me wonder.

    His behavior in College seems a little creepy to me. Although his behavior appeared to have relatively innocent motives at the time, he was indeed breaking and entering on a regular basis at that time. He apparently gave this up for 20 years only to suddenly begin a sadistic crime spree?

    He has all the characteristics of a Psychopath and nobody at DND caught onto this? They actually found these characteristics admirable enough to be worthy of promotion?

    Is he honestly going to qualify for parole in 25 years? Would this not be an injustice considering we have a Dangerous Offenders program which for some reason fails to have been mentioned?

    Indeed, Why did he document the evidence in a manner of which any investigator can admire? Could it be to provide LE with what is essentially the crown jewel of their case and thus to be used as a high value bargaining chip?

    Why is there no mention of any other evidence? Didn't he leave DNA all over one girls bedroom?

    Why was he "cocky" at the time of his confession? Does this not indicate a man who feels he has "one-up" on investigators?

    Hypothetically, If RW is the perpetrator of many unsolved crimes of the last twenty years, some of which may be high-profile, and this perpetrator not only got away with them for so long but was promoted to the highest levels of the DND; Then when I say "they" as in "they are trying to cover their butts", I mean anybody who has personal gain by not seeing this case go to trial lest it expose their negligence, and anybody they can influence. This would include some very powerful people. Also the "mountain of evidence" that he has handed over would no longer be considered a mountain when considering all the crimes he may be guilty of under this hypothesis, but rather a molehill.

    I have no-where near enough facts to know conclusively what the story is. The facts indicate to me that there is far more to the story than what MSM reports. For example it is common knowledge now that LE was onto RW upon recognizing his tire treads. So are we to believe that LE obtained a search warrant based on a set of tire-treads? Is there a problem with the judge that gave out the warrant? or MSM's reporting of the story? Or is there obviously more to this story that for some reason LE is not telling?

    Like I said, I hope my hypothesis is wrong, but thank-you AntiqueGirl for furthering this discussion.

    His was the only vehicle to pass through the checkpoint that had tire treads and wheelbase measurements that matched those from a field near Lloyd’s home.

    In an instant, investigators saw connections to crimes that had baffled police: A two-year spree of fetish home burglaries in Ottawa, where Williams had a home, and in Tweed, where he had a cottage, and the murder of Comeau, who worked at Williams’ base.

    “Everything lit up,” the source said.

    After the tire check in February, police started watching Williams. Three days later, the colonel was in Ottawa when police there asked him to come to the station for a chat.

    http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/a...ed-to-williams

    This article explains how the pieces fell together after finding a match to the tire treads and wheelbase width.
    IMO Police at the road side check would have been baffled that they found a match because of who he was. Then when looking into where he lived (house and cottage) and linked the locations of the break ins (in RW's neighbourhoods in Ottawa and Tweed), JL's house, (on his route to and from work) etc the puzzle pieces fit perfectly together.


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    I haven't been following this thread lately, so I'm a bit behind the latest news. This appeared today on the Ottawa Citizen front page (long article):

    ‘White knight’ in a black robe
    By Andrew Seymour, The Ottawa Citizen October 17, 2010 8:06 AM


    Of his many cases, Ottawa defence lawyer Michael Edelson says one case that will always stand out is Mayor Larry O’Brien’s.
    "I don’t think in Ottawa in the past 25 years there has been a case that garnered the kind of publicity that case had. … It became a real pressure cooker for us."
    Photograph by: Julie Oliver, The Ottawa Citizen
    When the disgraced former commander of Canada’s largest air force base pleads guilty Monday morning, Russell Williams will do so based on the legal advice of one of this city’s most prominent defence attorneys.

    For the rich, powerful and prominent, Michael Edelson is the person they turn to to get out of trouble or to minimize the punishment they might receive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    His was the only vehicle to pass through the checkpoint that had tire treads and wheelbase measurements that matched those from a field near Lloyd’s home.

    In an instant, investigators saw connections to crimes that had baffled police: A two-year spree of fetish home burglaries in Ottawa, where Williams had a home, and in Tweed, where he had a cottage, and the murder of Comeau, who worked at Williams’ base.

    “Everything lit up,” the source said.

    After the tire check in February, police started watching Williams. Three days later, the colonel was in Ottawa when police there asked him to come to the station for a chat.

    http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/a...ed-to-williams

    This article explains how the pieces fell together after finding a match to the tire treads and wheelbase width.
    IMO Police at the road side check would have been baffled that they found a match because of who he was. Then when looking into where he lived (house and cottage) and linked the locations of the break ins (in RW's neighbourhoods in Ottawa and Tweed), JL's house, (on his route to and from work) etc the puzzle pieces fit perfectly together.
    Tire-Treads alone are not grounds for a search warrant, and as LE has stated: "The crimes gave investigators no reason to suspect a link."

    The crimes gave investigators no reason to suspect a link.

    In Ottawa, a burglar was stealing lingerie in a middle-class neighbourhood, careful to break in when no one was home.

    In Tweed, 200 kilometres west, two women were sexually assaulted by a man who took pictures but did not attempt penetration.

    In Brighton, south of Tweed, an air force flight attendant was badly beaten, raped and murdered.

    The modi operandi could not have been more different.

    Police considered a link to the Tweed sexual assaults when Jessica Elizabeth Lloyd, 27, went missing in late January from her home near the village.

    But nothing could have prepared them for the suspect they finally caught.

    http://www.thestar.com/mobile/NEWS/article/873244
    Another example of media reports that just don't add up.

    Can you image LE going to a judge and explaining that they want a search warrant for a house owned by two very prominent people based on the fact that the guys tires/wheelbase match and that crimes have been occurring in the neighborhoods of which they live even though they appear to be unrelated to each other? There is obviously more to the story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by star traveller View Post
    Tire-Treads alone are not grounds for a search warrant, and as LE has stated: "The crimes gave investigators no reason to suspect a link."



    Another example of media reports that just don't add up.

    Can you image LE going to a judge and explaining that they want a search warrant for a house owned by two very prominent people based on the fact that the guys tires/wheelbase match and that crimes have been occurring in the neighborhoods of which they live even though they appear to be unrelated to each other? There is obviously more to the story.

    BBM:

    More to the Story =

    -Witness sighting of SUV beside Lloyds house that night. DESCRIPTION of vehicle. Any and all vehicles fitting description to be analyzed.

    -RW's answers to roadside check questions.

    -Dog scent tracks to Jones house in 2 assaults. RW lives right beside Jones.

    -Geographical profiling of the crimes based on VICLIS analysis, announcement by LE that the 2 assaults, murder and abduction were all possibly linked.

    MOO: The vehicle description, tire tracks and wheel base measurement were very specific, and very rare. If RW's SUV matched those things known by LE, that would definitely be enough to get a search warrant, IMO. Set aside all the other things, as above.


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    Quote Originally Posted by star traveller View Post
    Tire-Treads alone are not grounds for a search warrant, and as LE has stated: "The crimes gave investigators no reason to suspect a link."



    I read it as LE had no reason to link together BACK WHEN the Sexual assaults in Tweed and the break in's in Ottawa took place, however, once they found the tire treads they started linking everything together towards RW.

    http://www.thestar.com/mobile/NEWS/article/873244
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    Quote Originally Posted by star traveller View Post
    I hope you are right Antiquegirl and I hope that I am wrong.
    So do I.
    His behavior in College seems a little creepy to me. Although his behavior appeared to have relatively innocent motives at the time, he was indeed breaking and entering on a regular basis at that time. He apparently gave this up for 20 years only to suddenly begin a sadistic crime spree?
    It does seem creepy, but only in retrospect - knowing what we know now about the nature of the crimes. College boy pranks are hardly unusual, some much worse than RW's. Even dormitory panty raids have been around since the end of WWII. Cruel fraternity hazing has been a problem for decades and unfortunately still happening. Drunkenness, debauchery, and practical jokes are common on campuses world over.

    I agree that it's hard to believe RW was completely innocent for 20 years. But, according to reports, he didn't begin a sadistic crime spree until after years of non-violent break-ins before escalating to the more serious assaults and murder. As LE has stated, lingerie thefts are so common as to make them difficult to solve.

    “These fetish burglaries are pretty widespread. It’s not that unique a behaviour.”

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    He has all the characteristics of a Psychopath and nobody at DND caught onto this? They actually found these characteristics admirable enough to be worthy of promotion?
    I have done a lot of research into psychopathy and one of the main characteristics of an organized psychopath is his ability to mask those symptoms. Almost all are above average in intelligence, cunning, and superficially charming. They fool everyone around them. Many never go on to commit crimes. RW's organizational skills, ability to control others, ambition, etc. would have been more of a prerequisite to military success than cause for suspicion.

    It's interesting to note that two incidents are counter-indicative of a psychopathic personality. A true psychopath would not have confessed, nor would he have attempted suicide. He also doesn't fit the typical profile in that he is not a loner, not socially inept, not an underachiever. Even for experts, psychopathy is difficult to diagnose.

    http://www.accessmylibrary.com/artic...criminals.html

    Is he honestly going to qualify for parole in 25 years? Would this not be an injustice considering we have a Dangerous Offenders program which for some reason fails to have been mentioned?
    Too soon to tell. A DO designation comes after sentencing. But even if he becomes eligible for parole in 25 years that doesn't mean it will be granted.

    Indeed, Why did he document the evidence in a manner of which any investigator can admire? Could it be to provide LE with what is essentially the crown jewel of their case and thus to be used as a high value bargaining chip?
    Respectfully, that makes no sense to me. If he had not documented the evidence at all, or hidden it more carefully, he would not have needed a bargaining chip. The only logical answer is that he never expected to get caught.

    Why is there no mention of any other evidence? Didn't he leave DNA all over one girls bedroom?
    I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is that no further evidence was necessary. He confessed. He led LE to JL's remains. He is about to plead guilty. There has been no trial. It's possible that any matching DNA will be exposed next week, but what's the need? The Crown already has enough for a sure conviction. He will be getting the maximum sentence. What more would DNA evidence accomplish?

    Why was he "cocky" at the time of his confession? Does this not indicate a man who feels he has "one-up" on investigators?
    Is there a link to him being cocky after his confession? I interpreted those reports as referring to his interrogation before the evidence was presented to him. At the time, he thought he was putting the final nail into Larry J's coffin and had no idea he was under suspicion - thus, cocky. If there are any stories claiming he remained cocky after he confessed, I'd like to see them.

    I have no-where near enough facts to know conclusively what the story is. The facts indicate to me that there is far more to the story than what MSM reports. For example it is common knowledge now that LE was onto RW upon recognizing his tire treads. So are we to believe that LE obtained a search warrant based on a set of tire-treads? Is there a problem with the judge that gave out the warrant? or MSM's reporting of the story? Or is there obviously more to this story that for some reason LE is not telling?
    Wondergirl addressed and answered this question. ITA.

    Like I said, I hope my hypothesis is wrong, but thank-you AntiqueGirl for furthering this discussion.
    And thank you for your opinions and for giving me the forum to express mine.

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    It was winter, I believe we had new snowfall by Feb. 7th, my guess is RW could have ALSO graciously provided fresh bootprints just outside LE headquarters in Ottawa, that LE could be comparing with the partial print they found at Marie France's basement, while RW was being interviewed. Then feeding it back to interviewers, JMHO.
    He drove to the police station in his Nissan, not bothering to change the tires. And on his feet were boots that police would later determine had treads that matched a partial print left in Comeau’s blood in her basement.
    Trail of crime finally leads to Williams: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...ds-to-williams
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    Big juicy article dated today but is a blog from a previous article.
    http://blogs.canoe.ca/parker/general...desert-mirage/
    For those reasons and others, this is not a time for anyone to engage in wild, uninformed speculation (and we all know I am fully capable of doing that).

    But this case involves such an unimaginable set of circumstances that we are forced to imagine things we would not otherwise consider possible just to comprehend it.

    Criminal behavioral analysts have already said acts of the nature Williams is accused of committing do not historically spring fullblown at this level of ferocity; there is usually a pattern of development and acceleration.
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    Lots of interesting things in this article, here are a few excerpts:


    Details of lurid double life expected at Williams court appearance



    Published On Sun Oct 17 2010
    Maria Babbage
    BELLEVILLE, ONT.—Lurid details of the self-professed double life of Col. Russell Williams are expected to be brought before the public starting Monday when the former rising star in the Canadian military is scheduled to plead guilty to murdering two women, sexual assaults and a slew of other criminal charges


    “The allegations in this case would appear to be so lurid, so disturbing that a trial in this case would probably have changed the Trenton community for the rest of its existence,” Boni said.

    “It would have had a thunderous impact on the local community and it would have had a devastating impact on the victims and their families.”



    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...urt-appearance
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    It's Another Shock

    "It's Another Shock"

    Russell Williams’s victims hope photo evidence will remain sealed


    Macleans

    by Michael Friscolanti on Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:20am - 0 Comments

    The actual sentence is not up for debate. First-degree murder carries a mandatory punishment of life behind bars with no chance of parole for 25 years, and when Russell Williams officially pleads guilty next week, his fate will be no different.

    But not before spending a few more hours inside a Belleville, Ont., courtroom, explaining to a judge—and his many, many victims—how he managed to conceal an elaborate double life as a serial stalker while busy commanding the country’s largest air force base, CFB Trenton.


    Williams photographed himself inside his victims’ homes—dressed in their lingerie.

    Last week, after Williams’s lawyer announced that his client plans to plead guilty, police told Massicotte the rest of the disgusting details.

    “They have pictures of him in my house wearing my underwear,” she says. “It’s another shock.

    If there is a silver lining for the victims, it’s that the chilling photographic evidence will likely never see the light of day. Because Williams chose a guilty plea instead of a trial, the boxes of items seized from his homes will not be entered as courtroom exhibits; they will remain in a police vault, shielded from the press and the public.


    Massicotte has yet to attend any of her attacker’s court appearances, but she plans to be in the gallery for Williams’s final few days as a colonel (as soon as he is sentenced, the military plans to strip him of his rank and recoup the salary he’s collected since his arrest). Andy Lloyd, Jessica’s older brother, will be in the courtroom, too, and is working on a victim impact statement.





    http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/10/17/its-another-shock/
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    The hearing

    I have been extraordinarily busy these past few weeks, but fortunately my calendar is open this coming week. Most of us here have dedicated the past nine months to following and sleuthing this incredible, tragic case and have plenty of unanswered questions. Tomorrow I will be glued to both my TV set and the computer, hoping for some answers.

    We have been lucky that the media has been granted permission to use electronic devices in the courtroom. What recommendations do the rest of you have for the best live coverage of the proceedings? Anyone know the most reliable media outlet for Twitter or TV feeds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    I have been extraordinarily busy these past few weeks, but fortunately my calendar is open this coming week. Most of us here have dedicated the past nine months to following and sleuthing this incredible, tragic case and have plenty of unanswered questions. Tomorrow I will be glued to both my TV set and the computer, hoping for some answers.

    We have been lucky that the media has been granted permission to use electronic devices in the courtroom. What recommendations do the rest of you have for the best live coverage of the proceedings? Anyone know the most reliable media outlet for Twitter or TV feeds?
    I have no idea which one is most reliable, but I am counting on you AG to keep us WS'ers updated. As soon as I am home from work I will be logging into WS for your update. Thanks in advance for doing so!


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