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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    Interesting! I wonder too what happened in his life to start this behaviour OR is this just when he started keeping track of his B/E's on his spreadsheet.

    I keeping thinking back to an earlier article about his mom...

    In 2001, Williams' mother and stepfather divorced. His brother, a Bowmanville doctor, said in a press statement that the second divorce caused a deep rift between Williams, him and their mother, which they recently made efforts to repair.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...have-seen?bn=1

    Did he start this behaviour because of his relationship with his mother? Did he hate her so much that he took his anger towards her out on women? I wonder how "recently" they tried to repair this relationship in the family, would Sept 2007 be recent?

    I just found another interesting line from an older article...

    We rarely had any contact until two years ago when my mother and I tried to find a way to repair the family rift. We have had only minimal contact with him in the past two years."
    http://www.canada.com/technology/Acc...513/story.html
    hmmm it would be impossible for us to find out, but I wonder if Mom contacted RW in Sept 07?????

    It seems his mother attended his ceremony when he became commander in July 09...

    Nonie Sovka wrote them a letter at Christmas talking about the “beautiful ceremony” making Williams the Trenton base commander last July.
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...39841-qmi.html
    Great catch on the possible trigger point (reuniting with his mother/brother) 2 years ago.

    Here is another possible trigger, that may correspond to another murder on the perimeter of CFB Trenton in 2001, that of Kathleen Macvicar. It wasn't until the arrest of RW, that I re-read the articles on Kathleen's murder, and realized that she herself may have been held captive, according to the time delay in the recovery of her remains, from the time of her last being seen.


    Trigger?

    In 2001, his mother divorced her second husband, sparking a rift in the family that continues to fester.



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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    I remember reading about this attack in a thread way back...here is more on this same story.

    After the man sexually assaulted her, he cleaned her with a wet cloth and stole some of her clothing and possessions.

    After knocking her unconscious, the man removed her clothing and sexually assaulted her. He then cleaned the woman with a wet cloth, and stole her jeans, cellphone, running shoe, and red-and-white underwear

    hmmm, who does this sound like?????


    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...3a141d&k=56610
    Another great catch, cleaning the victim after assault? Surely that must be very rare.

    I would think (hope?) LE will be reviewing all unsolved assaults in areas where RW was known to be, especially ones where the victim was nurtured in some way after the crime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyMacBloom View Post
    How many women reading this post have a husband who has boxes of stuff stored in the rafters of your garage that you DO NOT know EXACTLY what is in them???

    In our home, which I think is pretty normal, there isn't a nook or crany that I don't know EXACTLY what is in it.

    If my husband had boxes in the rafters and said something like:
    A) they are work related, I would know that isn't the case because his company wouldn't let him keep files at home!
    B) hubby is a photo buff, as a gift I would prob go through them and have one framed as a gift.
    C) boxes are filled with school memorabilia, then how come the box number increases?

    At some point my curiousity would just simply be too tweaked not to take a peak in those boxes myself!

    Your thoughts ladies?
    Now that we know he hid his treasures in the garage rafters, you mention some very good points. I wonder if MEH was afraid of heights and wouldn't pull out a ladder to reach the rafters, with RW knowing this - he had a safe place to store his fetish finds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    Now that we know he hid his treasures in the garage rafters, you mention some very good points. I wonder if MEH was afraid of heights and wouldn't pull out a ladder to reach the rafters, with RW knowing this - he had a safe place to store his fetish finds.

    His military collections ie: uniforms/combat clothes would most likely have been stored in "kit boxes" ( grey or black small trunks) supplied by the military or the common type duffle bags...not boxes.. I can see why MEH would not have bothered looking in those...BUT if his treasures were stored in regular boxes I think as a wife I would have been curious especially when moving to a new home because that is when you can get the chance to purge "junk"...

    Also, considering they were temporary out of a home in the Ottawa area while their new house was under construction..where did he store these "treasures"...in a storage unit???


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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    I remember reading about this attack in a thread way back...here is more on this same story.

    After the man sexually assaulted her, he cleaned her with a wet cloth and stole some of her clothing and possessions.

    After knocking her unconscious, the man removed her clothing and sexually assaulted her. He then cleaned the woman with a wet cloth, and stole her jeans, cellphone, running shoe, and red-and-white underwear

    hmmm, who does this sound like?????


    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...3a141d&k=56610
    I've been re-reading some older links, this caught my eye...

    After his first interview with police, which ran into the night, OPP searched his cottage in Tweed for women’s undergarments — including a bra and thong — baby blankets, digital storage devices and a white shoe as part of their investigation into the two home-invasion sexual assaults http://www.canada.com/news/Canadian+...481/story.html

    the above mentions that the attacker at Carlton stole her "running shoe" and then in Tweed they find a "white shoe"

    The attack at Carlton University was on Saturday Sept 1, 2007, the graph shows his first b/e was Sept 7th. JMO I think this is when he turned cocky and started his paperwork to keep track of his findings, B/E's and attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macright View Post
    His military collections ie: uniforms/combat clothes would most likely have been stored in "kit boxes" ( grey or black small trunks) supplied by the military or the common type duffle bags...not boxes.. I can see why MEH would not have bothered looking in those...BUT if his treasures were stored in regular boxes I think as a wife I would have been curious especially when moving to a new home because that is when you can get the chance to purge "junk"...

    Also, considering they were temporary out of a home in the Ottawa area while their new house was under construction..where did he store these "treasures"...in a storage unit???
    We talked about the boxes in the 1st thread, here is a pic of LE carrying out "old" boxes and a pic of LE carrying in flat new boxes, which led us to believe that the old boxes were what RW stored his treasures in.

    old boxes carried out, click on photos pic#17
    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tr...006/story.html

    new flat boxes in pic, 3rd pic
    http://www.canada.com/news/Canadian+...481/story.html

    Look at pic #4 of the cruiser and car in driveway. If you look at the structure of the house/garage...they mentioned they found boxes in the rafters in the garage. With this style of garage I cannot picture rafters. Im thinking the rafters in the Tweed cottage, not Ottawa as stated in the media.

    In the garage rafters of the colonel’s Ottawa home, police armed with a search warrant found hundreds of items of stolen lingerie, plus bathing suits and shoes, carefully stored in boxes and catalogued.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1748914/

    This pic of the Tweed cottage would have rafters in the garage
    http://media.thestar.topscms.com/ima...612410127.jpeg
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    I wondered if MEH parents had lived with them for awhile in Orleans, it was mentioned that she was an only child.. I recall early in the arrest that a neighbour mentioned how her Mother was a lovely person and how she would go shopping with her.. of course they just could have been visiting MEH..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macright View Post
    One pattern I noticed throughout the graph was that most B&E took place either on the weekend or close to it when I would have expected MEH to be with him. They moved out of the Orleans home sometime in July 2009 and he took over command of Trenton and from then on the B&E's in the Orleans area come to a stop but continue in Tweed where it seems he is now living with MEH down on weekends. She must have taken a temporary place in Ottawa as their condo was being built. Wonder if that area of town has been checked for panty theft. It makes you wonder about the marriage because two special dates he was out and about doing his despicable deeds..Jan. 1 and Feb.14 in early 2009 instead of celebrating with his "loving" ??? wife... I am surprised with the # of B&E's on his own street as the houses on that street are so close together it's a wonder he wasn't seen by someone plus the homes back on others.. It boggles the mind.

    I also think that Sep. 2007 was not the start of his adventures..I think that date was when he got cocky enough to start keeping track..
    A couple of other interesting points about the dates:

    November 11, 2008, RW was at a Remembrance Day ceremony in Kandahar, and the very next day he is charged with a B&E in Ottawa.

    November 11, 2009, Peter Mackay was in Kandahar, but RW was dropping the puck at a Bulls game, so am just curious who Mackay's pilot was on that date and why it would not have been RW. (Not sure how the different time zones might factor into the information)

    The Star graph indicates that a pic of RW and Mayor Williams was taken in Nunavut on September 14 which is questionable if we are to believe Mayor Williams' account that the flight didn't get them into CFB Alert until September 15. I wonder who the source of that pic/date was. I trust Mayor Williams' account of the trip compared to anything RW would have stated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyMacBloom View Post
    How many women reading this post have a husband who has boxes of stuff stored in the rafters of your garage that you DO NOT know EXACTLY what is in them???

    In our home, which I think is pretty normal, there isn't a nook or crany that I don't know EXACTLY what is in it.

    If my husband had boxes in the rafters and said something like:
    A) they are work related, I would know that isn't the case because his company wouldn't let him keep files at home!
    B) hubby is a photo buff, as a gift I would prob go through them and have one framed as a gift.
    C) boxes are filled with school memorabilia, then how come the box number increases?

    At some point my curiousity would just simply be too tweaked not to take a peak in those boxes myself!

    Your thoughts ladies?
    honestly, I haven't a clue what's in the garage or even in the boxes that never got unpacked after we moved

    most of it's probably my crap but I don't go through any of his unless I'm cleaning which is rare LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    A couple of other interesting points about the dates:

    November 11, 2008, RW was at a Remembrance Day ceremony in Kandahar, and the very next day he is charged with a B&E in Ottawa.

    November 11, 2009, Peter Mackay was in Kandahar, but RW was dropping the puck at a Bulls game, so am just curious who Mackay's pilot was on that date and why it would not have been RW. (Not sure how the different time zones might factor into the information)

    The Star graph indicates that a pic of RW and Mayor Williams was taken in Nunavut on September 14 which is questionable if we are to believe Mayor Williams' account that the flight didn't get them into CFB Alert until September 15. I wonder who the source of that pic/date was. I trust Mayor Williams' account of the trip compared to anything RW would have stated.
    I am thinking that by Nov. 11/09 RW was already in command of Trenton therefore his duties as pilot to the elite may have been over for the time being.
    Not 100% sure but I think it is possible for him to have been in Kandahar for Nov.11th and then flip back to Canada right after the service in which he would gain hours with the time difference.. seems these trips gave him urges as a couple of his B&E's took place shortly after a trip..seems he needed his "fix"..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macright View Post
    His military collections ie: uniforms/combat clothes would most likely have been stored in "kit boxes" ( grey or black small trunks) supplied by the military or the common type duffle bags...not boxes.. I can see why MEH would not have bothered looking in those...BUT if his treasures were stored in regular boxes I think as a wife I would have been curious especially when moving to a new home because that is when you can get the chance to purge "junk"...

    Also, considering they were temporary out of a home in the Ottawa area while their new house was under construction..where did he store these "treasures"...in a storage unit???
    Safety deposit box perhaps ?

    Interesting that he would store the boxes in Ottawa when it seems he spent the majority of his time in Tweed.


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    does anyone else suspect the 'acting on his impulses' started in college and that the breakup with his g/f may have either been b/c she realized he was a creep or it was his first 'trigger' or both?

    I sure would like to hear from that g/f

    and what happened that caused a rift between him & his family? it doesn't make common sense that an adult man would be angry at his mother for getting divorced, unless he thinks she was responsible for a whole lot of issues/problems/rifts in his life

    I suspect he harboured hostility for his mother (& all women?) since he was a young lad but why???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Another great catch, cleaning the victim after assault? Surely that must be very rare.

    I would think (hope?) LE will be reviewing all unsolved assaults in areas where RW was known to be, especially ones where the victim was nurtured in some way after the crime.
    I doubt that the act of wiping down the victim was out of any consideration for her, but more an attempt to eliminate his DNA from the crime scene.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    does anyone else suspect the 'acting on his impulses' started in college and that the breakup with his g/f may have either been b/c she realized he was a creep or it was his first 'trigger' or both?

    I sure would like to hear from that g/f

    and what happened that caused a rift between him & his family? it doesn't make common sense that an adult man would be angry at his mother for getting divorced, unless he thinks she was responsible for a whole lot of issues/problems/rifts in his life

    I suspect he harboured hostility for his mother (& all women?) since he was a young lad but why???
    I agree that his crimes probably go back a lot further than we know at this point.

    As for him going "ballistic" over the split between NW and JS, it does seem his anger was against his mother (because he continued to have contact with JS as evidenced by the races that both of them ran subsequent to the 2001 split). As for his anger towards his brother, could have been simply because the brother sided with the mom, or didn't take RW's side.

    I still think the JS / CDW legalized wife swap when RW was a kid would have been a lot for a youngster to wrap their brain around at that stage in their social development. We aren't talking the "normal" split where ma and pa kind of established separate lifestyles with new partners, and his loyalty could be focused towards his primary caregiver. This was a situation where someone who was a friend became dad, and dad became a friend (and of course married the witch that took dad away). Seems to me it could have resulted in a twisted sense of abandonment even though all 4 adults somehow remained in his immediate circle. Am I making any sense at all? IF not, please be kind and go on to the next post


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    I think I would rather believe the quote someone mentioned in one of the news articles in reference to Hector from Silence of the Lambs.."nothing happened to me..I happened"..

    This guy seemed to function well throughout his career...hiding his "other side" as most have stated that they "saw nothing out of the ordinary" but then they would have to say that because they were the ones who kept promoting him. This guy outsmarted everyone...well not everyone because he was caught eventually... Pure evil and I don't blame Mommy or Daddy no matter what their lifestyle...


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