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    "Couple: the state took our baby"

    Hmmm, I know there's often debate about state agencies not stepping in to protect children...so, are officials justified in taking action in this case or is this more political? Seems to me the parents are using the political angle to cover a much deeper problem...

    http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...-took-our-baby

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    I think there has to be more to this story.
    The hospital even went along with this.
    Lots of people in trouble if it is political.
    I need to see stuff from abuse, CYS etc.
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    I agree...but, wow. It'll be interesting to see how this is handled.

    "If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence lists as the reasons for our forefathers taking up arms in our Revolution and for separating from England," Rhodes wrote. "We no longer have freedom at all if this is allowed to be done. And we will not let it stand."

    http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...aby?page=0%2C1

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    The affidavit also states that Irish is "associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and Taser."
    Has anyone seen the affidavit, or are we just taking his word for it that this is included? (I mean 'we' as in the public, not posters on WS)
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    I dont know, the article in the OP says its actually due to repeated allegations of violence to the woman and her other kids....that's a little more likely IMO.

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    The affidavit is available. Just google~Irish family affidavit.



    Note: Be cautious NOT to use the infant's name on the thread.

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    Irish has quite a long list of offenses and has failed to follow the guidelines of the court concerning attending an "Ending the Violence" workshop. The state has also been involved in the mother's life for the last 21 months concerning two other children. IMO, the state had reason to take action. Can you imagine how up in arms we'd all be if that baby was harmed down the line?

    Here we have a mom involved with DHS with two children and not living with her legal husband. She has an infant with another man who has a long history of violence and is known to keep firearms. I think that might be why his involvement with the Oath Keepers factored in. JMO

    ETA: I just realized that the mom just had her rights terminated for the other two children. This alone could be the reason that the baby was taken into care. The court is already fully aware of Taylor's inability to parent and thus, is attempting to err on the side of caution, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    Irish has quite a long list of offenses and has failed to follow the guidelines of the court concerning attending an "Ending the Violence" workshop. The state has also been involved in the mother's life for the last 21 months concerning two other children. IMO, the state had reason to take action. Can you imagine how up in arms we'd all be if that baby was harmed down the line?

    Here we have a mom involved with DHS with two children and not living with her legal husband. She has an infant with another man who has a long history of violence and is known to keep firearms. I think that might be why his involvement with the Oath Keepers factored in. JMO

    ETA: I just realized that the mom just had her rights terminated for the other two children. This alone could be the reason that the baby was taken into care. The court is already fully aware of Taylor's inability to parent and thus, is attempting to err on the side of caution, IMO.
    I know in my state, if parental rights have been terminated and a new baby is born, the state automatically steps in to investigate. With the termination being so recent, they would, without a doubt, take action to ensure the new infant was safe. I don't see how these parents have a case with the prior history. Also, I'm not sure how it works in other states, but in our state this guy would not be the legal father and would have no rights to the child. If the mother is married at the time of conception or birth, that man is the legal father. Biology has nothing to do with it at that point. He would, for all the purpose of the state, only be considered as mother's boyfriend and someone who would be around the child.

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    But according to an affidavit provided to Irish by the state Division for Children, Youth and Families, state officials took the child because of Irish's long record of violence and abuse. According to the affidavit, a judge determined that Irish abused Taylor's two other children. She is still married to the father of those children, though Taylor said yesterday that her husband has refused to accept her divorce petition for the past two years.

    The affidavit also says that the police in Rochester report a "lengthy history of domestic violence" between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor's parental rights over her two older children.

    Taylor "has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby," the affidavit reads. "Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm."

    http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...-baby?page=0,0

    Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The court is keeping this baby safe.
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    Can you still receive ss disability benefits if you are found guilty of child abuse and/or domestic violence? What about gun ownership?
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    MOO. It is mentioned in the affidavit that he is a member of The Oath Keepers militia only to mention the weapons. I think a person having firearms is pertinent in a domestic abuse situation. I don't think that mentioning The Oath Keepers in the affidavit is indicative of the state taking his child to punish him for belonging to that group.

    Also, MOO, it's ridiculous for him to think that all the other stuff on there (abuse, anger management issues, etc) wouldn't be the main reason to take his parental rights away.
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    I've never heard of a disabled person losing their OWN SSI or SS benefits due to a termination of parental rights. Remember, very few parents who have their rights terminated are actually criminally charged. The penalty is loss of the child. IME, abuse must be physically very severe or involving sex abuse for there to be criminal charges brought. The charges typically stay at the Family Court level.

    Concerning gun ownership, I'm not a gun owner so I don't really know the rights involved but I cannot imagine that SSI or SS benefits could be discontinued due to gun ownership. I do believe that we'd have more than a few people "up in arms" about that!!

    I'm not positive but I don't think that a convicted criminal loses their benefits either, unless they are incarcerated. I'll have to check. In any case, if the children were receiving benefits based on disability or survivor's benefits those would follow them into foster care or adoption and become a "patch" in their funding resources.

    Concerning this infant, was there information I missed concerning a disability for her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysonmymind View Post
    Can you still receive ss disability benefits if you are found guilty of child abuse and/or domestic violence? What about gun ownership?
    Yes, you can. Also, in many states, a person found to have committed DV must turn over their guns to LE for the duration of the restraining order.

    These people obviously should not have children. This has nothing to do with their political affiliation and everything to do with their high level of dysfunction. Domestic violence is considered child abuse even when it is not perpetrated against the children. Just allowing them to be exposed to it causes long-lasting emotional scars. To add to that, this guy has apparently harmed some of her children and refused to undergo a DV course? I guess they really don't want their kids.
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    I love this quote from one of their fellow anti-government Oath Keepers:

    Amanda Biondolillo, a Concord woman who came with her young daughter, said she didn't think the state should get involved in family issues at all, even if there is reason to suspect abuse.
    "The family should be left to resolve it on their own," Biondolillo said. "Or private enterprise - private companies can contact the family and say, 'We heard you were hitting your kids. Can you stop that?' "

    http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...-baby?page=0,1

    Hmmm. Government ain't perfect but IMO, these people are wacky!
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    I think we might be talking about different issues. Here's a site which discusses SS benefits for convicted felons. Lots of links:

    http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...urity-benefits.

    If we're talking about the parents continuing to receive SSI benefits (paid on behalf of a disabled child) even if they are charged or convicted of a crime, that's a different ball of wax. The SSI is paid to the child and thus a parent in jail or with rights terminated would not get them. They follow the child. If the state chose to return the children, the benefits could resume. SSI is a means based program AFTER it is deemed that a child qualifies due to disability.

    Courts can certainly take away the right of gun ownership in cases of assault or DV, but there's no connection to receipt of SS benefits connected to that.

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