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10-12-2010, 11:03 PM #1
Forensic Astrology - ZAHRA BAKER missing 10yr old Hickory, NC 10/9/10
News reports state the Stepmother ran out of the house screaming to Zahra's Father that Zahra was gone. The call to LE was placed approx. 2:00 pm on Saturday, 10/9/10.
The chart produced could hardly be clearer.
The Arabic Part of the MOTHER is conjunct the ASCENDANT and partile square ruler SATURN, 08 Libra, posited in the cadent 9th House. This is a secretive position. MERCURY the hidden message and SUN, also in the cadent 9th house, tell the tale with Part of ASSASSINATION conjunct the SUN (describing the Event), confirmed by Part of DEATH 11 Libra conjunct MERCURY the hidden message. MERCURY itself is partile conjunct the malefic Fixed Star VINDEMIATRIX, associated with death in the family.
The Arabic Part of FATALITY is partile conjunct CERES the Mother/Nurturer in the cadent 12th House (secrets, lies), strengthening our argument of who is responsible and what may have really happened.
The Malefic Fixed Star ALGOL, associated with losing one's head either literally or figuratively, sits within the 5th House of the Child, partile conjunct ADMETOS, a death marker, both associated with strangulation/suffocation.
The Arabic Part of MURDER 12:51 Aquarius squares Lord 5 the Child VENUS conjunct MOON, both at 13 Scorpio, both in the Via Combusta (the Burning Way).
The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty) conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN.
The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (violence, rage, murder) 09 Sagittarius parallels the MOON.
Of course, since the time of the Reported Missing, it has come to light the Stepmother herself wrote the ransom note, and that no one outside the family has seen Zahre for possibly as long as a month. This, in addition to many other startling and sickening facts and allegations emerging in this case give more weight to the chart at hand.
************************************************** ********************ETA: Note Salvarenga has a listing below in Post #8 of important dates and times brought over from the Case Requests thread.
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10-13-2010, 02:24 AM #250K reward, Bob Harrod-Missing: Call Det. Radomski 714-993-8176
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TY Soulscape. As difficult as this is to ask, does the chart indicate LE will find the evidence they are looking for regarding her remains. Just the thought.. I can hardly go there but I have to in order to see Justice for this precious child.
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10-13-2010, 02:58 AM #3
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10-13-2010, 04:34 AM #4
Thank you so much Soulscape. Is there anyway to get a thread just for Zahra? Will the police find concrete evidence to put these monsters away forever?
10-13-2010, 05:30 AM #5
ZAHAR BAKER Search
One piece of CONCRETE evidence: we'll start with the StepM admitting she penned the ransom note. INNOCENT people don't do any such thing. It appears LE was on to this couple immediately. Finding the ransom note on the windshield of the auto that was doused with gasoline ( evidence of decomp or blood likely the reason at the time and now we learn the cadaver dogs hit on both vehicles ) seems to implicate her w/having knowledge beyond Zahar simply missing or being kidnapped. BUSTED.
Today(Wed.) is another day in court for this cruel person. Felony Obstruction of Justice. He's next.
News link: http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Polic...104818544.html
(also has video & photos of search)
Burke County Sheriff John McDevitt said Tuesday and Wednesday's intensive search off Hartland Road would last until investigators find what they are looking for or rule out the area.
McDevitt confirmed that Adam Baker was on site with investigators. He characterized his behavior as "not exactly cooperative," adding that, in his opinion, Baker is not being truthful.
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10-13-2010, 06:03 AM #6
Wow is right. Just wow... thank you soulscape...
so sad....Shine Somer Shine!
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10-13-2010, 08:57 AM #7
Do we know if the murder was last week or a month or so ago? Can you tell that?
10-13-2010, 09:06 AM #8
I can't stop thinking about this litte angel. Will charts tell if there are multiple disposal sites and when she was killed?
IMPORTANT DATES and TIMES (brought over from my other posts in the Case Requests Thread)
* at 5 am on 9 October the fire department and LE investigators respond to a brush fire in the back yard of this house!
Later that morning Dad states he goes out on a job..... and gets home early in the afternoon at which time he is out doing some yard work with SM comes screaming out of the house that Zahra is missing at 2pm on 9 october 2010 LE is called and arrive at 2:30 pm
* Elesa Baker was arrested at about 10:45 a.m. Sunday 10/10/10 on nine unrelated warrants and charges
* DOB for step mom, EAB, is 06/06/1968, NC.
DOB for dad, ATB, is 08/06/1977. Sydney, Australia
DOB for Zahra is 11/16/1999.- Giru, Queenland, Australia/ other news outlet says Wagga Wagga, AU
* SEARCH WARRANT
ISSUED: 9:41 pm 10/10/10
EXECUTED: 9:52 PM 10/10/10
* Small grass fire was called into Fire Department on 10/09/10 at 5:09AM. by StepM.
Investigator on the scene by 5:30AM. Ransom note was addressed to the Baker's landlord and the kidnapping reference was made against the landlord's daughter....no mention of the Bakers or Zahra.
* At 2PM on 10/09/10, the police were back on scene investigating the fact that Zahra was missing. On 10/10/10 at 12:45PM SC Search and Rescue dog was on site at request of HPD and FBI. At 1PM, her canine alerted to human remains in or on both vehicles belonging the Bakers.
* Media briefing : 10/12 Media Briefing 11:30AM
No longer an Amber Alert, now a HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION
* Search goes on in wooded area in Morganton. Tuesday evening 10/12/10.
Officials searched the area late Tuesday night and concluded their search on Wednesday around 1 a.m.
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10-13-2010, 09:16 AM #9
More Time Stamps in Zahra Baker case...
Not sure if this should go here since the chart is here now or if it should go in the Case Request Thread......if it should be moved please let me know.
More Time Stamps......
Searchers look in brush pile for missing girl, stepmother to appear in court
Officials searched the area late Tuesday night and ended their search around 1 a.m. on Wednesday. The pile of debris is about 100 feet by 50 feet. Workers are using heavy equipment to examine the debris.
Sheriff's deputies are expected to resume their search Wednesday after 9 a.m.
10-13-2010, 09:57 AM #10Registered User
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Thank you Soulscape. This poor child had so many things working against her. My heart hurts for her.
10-13-2010, 10:13 AM #11
Salvarenga, if you get a search start time for Wednesday, please let us know.
Regarding all the questions regarding when Zahra may have been murdered and whether there is more than one disposal site, please realize what you are asking us to decipher is extremely complicated, particularly because we really have no valid "Last Seen" date/time/place, nor do we have times of birth for any of the players.
Right now we know Father's birthplace is Sydney, AU and Zahra's is Wagga Wagga, AU.
We do not have Stepmother's place of birth and I am using a sunrise chart relocated to Hickory, NC (the event location). If anyone can uncover her place birth, it may prove helpful.
Based on the facts released in this case, the window of death could range from shortly before the start of the school year (8/25/2010) to hours before the Reported Missing (10/9/2010) --- that's quite a broad time span.
The facts that no one outside the family has come forth to state they've seen a live Zahra for at least a month prior to the Reported Missing and that current Hickory neighbors reported they'd never seen the girl since the family moved in (approx. 6 weeks earlier, on or about 8/28/2010) & didn't even know the Bakers had a child, leads one to the most horrifying of thoughts.
Did they torture the child for a month or more, finally doing away with her days/hours before the Reported Missing?
We will be studying the charts to see what clues we may uncover.
I can tell you this much --- both Stepmother's and Father's charts contain massive abuse markers towards this little girl (Stepmother's more so, but Father's nonetheless).
I believe, from a forensic astrological perspective, they were both involved, with Stepmother taking the lead role.
More later as time allows,
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10-13-2010, 10:39 AM #12
Elisa Annette Baker, 42, seemed distraught and spoke softly when she appeared in Burke County Court Wednesday morning for an obstruction of justice charge.
She asked for a court-appointed attorney and was given a November 3rd court date. She is being held on a $40,000 bond at the Catawba County jail.
In court Wednesday morning, the judge asked Baker if she understood the charges against her. She replied, "Yes." The judge also asked if she understood that she doesn't have to speak to anyone except her attorney.
one of our posters on the main thread said she heard on the news (no link as she is listening) that the search at the tree place is over and they are back in hickory and something about evidence being found. Will update with a link when it is posted onlineThis bee my opinion
10-13-2010, 11:24 AM #13Registered User
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Elise Baker is from North Carolina.
"Adam reportedly met the older Elisa, now 42, a native of North Carolina, about four years ago over the internet."
10-13-2010, 01:53 PM #14
Thank you, Paulette. The relocated birth chart should work fine for our purposes.
1. Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 21 Taurus close opposes Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio.
Additionally, Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint is partile conjunct Asteroid NEMESIS, showing her temper/brutality/cruel nature (Mars/Saturn) is her downfall (Nemesis).
2. Stepmother's JUPITER (the expansion principle) 28 Leo is conjoined by Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29 Leo, showing exaggerated and/or excessive (Jupiter) meanness/cruelty/brutality (Toro).
3. Stepmother's natal PLUTO 20 Virgo partile conjuncts Zahra's natal CERES suggesting a controlling, if not destructive mother-figure.
CERES 22 Libra in Stepmother's chart opposes exactly her own natal SATURN 22 Aries, suggesting Stepmother's total lack of ability to nurture a child. Note: the planets inhabit the sunrise 5th-11th axis, children/stepchildren, respectively, and in intercepted signs which hinder the planets' expression in any healthy/productive manner.
4. #3 above is strengthened by another configuration in Zahra's natal chart (not shown), namely CERES 20 Virgo square HADES 18 Gemini. If this doesn't describe the "Mother From Hell," I don't know what does....
To be continued,
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10-13-2010, 02:11 PM #15
We have a picture of her taken with a black eye and swollen face August 9 by a neighbor. I suspect (but do not know for sure) that is one of the last times anyone saw her. Does this help?
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10-13-2010, 02:18 PM #16
Astros, the family member that had the threats said that SM called her on friday the 8th of october (no time given) to ask her to drop the charges and this was the day before zahra was reported missing (and the fire was later that night/early morning of the next day)
wondering if it is possible to see this call in the charts as well as the fire??
tiaThis bee my opinion
10-13-2010, 02:20 PM #17
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10-13-2010, 02:31 PM #19
From a WSOC-TV Executive Producer's Twitter Account:
Investigators back at scene in Burke County to search for Zahra Baker's body. Chopper 9skyzoom on the way.
8-13-2010 @ 2:25PM
10-13-2010, 03:04 PM #20
Update: Investigators searching a new spot in Burke Co. for missing girl's remains. Live report on #WSOC starting at 5.MOO.
10-13-2010, 03:59 PM #21
Thank you so much Fifth Essence and to Soulscape and all the other forensic astrologers!
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10-13-2010, 07:28 PM #23
Just got back and and read that they are now draining a pond at that same area in Burke County where they were last night. SBI is going through woodchipper piece by piece. Will gather links and post once I help my daughter with homework and get her to bed.
10-13-2010, 09:42 PM #24
Soulscape here's a good article...Imamaze just posted the link on the other thread.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...ved-to-be.htmlAbout the time we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends. Herbert Hoover
10-13-2010, 09:57 PM #25
Zahra Baker Natal Chart
The chart below shows Zahra Baker's natal wheel, cast for sunrise in the city of her birth:
While many astrologers decline to analyze a sunrise natal, I have found repeatedly such a wheel gives useful information from a forensic astrological perspective.
I am studying this chart for abuse markers.
While the MOON range could be anywhere from 13 to 25 Aquarius, the sunrise position gives 16 Aquarius. Unless Zahra was born very late at night, the MOON would conjunct URANUS. In a young child, MOON and her aspects often describe the "mother," how the child perceives her.
MOON - URANUS gives unstable, erratic, unpredictable emotional responses and is a possible indicator of a violent relationship between child and mother. Zahra never knew when "Mother" would "snap" and hit her/ hurt her/ brutalize her. This judgment is strengthened by the Arabic Part of VIOLENCE being partile conjunct the sunrise MOON at 16 Aquarius.
The MOON in this chart 16 Aquarius squares the SUN 22 Scorpio and SATURN 12 Taurus, forming the focal point of a fixed T-square. This shows a chronic conflictual situation, one that has been going on a long time. Note also SATURN is Retrograde, a condition often seen in the charts of individuals who suffer a lack of nurture (and sometimes presence) of the Father. While some Astrologers may argue SUN is not within an acceptable orb of opposition, it is surely opposed by sign (Scorpio - Taurus) and the MOON's square to both pulls them together. This combination -- SUN - MOON - URANUS - VIOLENCE - SATURN paints an ugly picture of attack from both parents (SUN - SATURN = Father, MOON = Mother). There is no love lost between the two parents, either. The squares and opposition show great conflict between the two, and now we know factually Zahra suffered horrifically as a result.
Notice also NEPTUNE 01 Aquarius at the cusp of the sunrise 4th House partile square the Arabic Part of TORTURE 01 Scorpio. NEPTUNE disguises and hides the abuse that was going on in the home. It was worse than people suspected, but for all intents and purposes, invisible. The Stepmother's own natal NEPTUNE 24 Scorpio Rx conjunct Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio, additionally enabled her to throw up a smokescreen that fooled most of the people most of the time.....
The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 17:29 Pisces opposes CERES 20 Virgo, suggesting cruelty/brutality at the hands of the Mother. (See chart above showing Stepmother's PLUTO (control, destruction) partile conjunct Zahra's CERES.)
The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (rage/violence/murder) 00:50 Capricorn is partile conjunct Zahra's Secondary Progressed MIDHEAVEN at the time of the Reported Missing (based on the sunrise natal chart).
It was shortly after the Reported Missing that the brutality, abuse, torture and probable death of Zahra Baker came before the Public Eye (MIDHEAVEN).
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