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    Did SM ever hold down any job at any time of her life?
    Wonder if she knew the ins and outs of the welfare system?
    Was she ready to fraud the system for more money???
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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Did SM ever hold down any job at any time of her life?
    Wonder if she knew the ins and outs of the welfare system?
    Was she ready to fraud the system for more money???
    Well I believe she's facing a charge of larceny from an employer. Would love to know the details on that.

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    Wow - I go with my family to get ice cream and I get several pages behind... you guys are quick!

    Quote Originally Posted by lauriej View Post
    ...i don't know about the U.S. but here in canada you must use business that is licensed to take passport photos, you can't just send in some home done pics along with your application.

    ...home pics are also unacceptable for any sort of I.D. that i can think of here.

    ...drivers license, student ID etc etc, pics are taken on site.
    We just renewed our passports here in the US and I took all of our passport photos. You can take your own, but if it has expired or if it's for a child, then you have to appear in person at a passport office or a post office that processes passports. But you can still use your own photos. (And, yes, we did smile in ours... ... Someone said awhile back that you can't, but you can - or, at least we did and they accepted them.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetmop View Post
    No, SS cards don't have pictures on them. To apply for SS card you would need a photo. Had they become citizens of the US?
    You don't have to be a US citizen to get a SS card. Not trying to sound like a smarta$$, but I learned that the hard way: the first time I applied for a passport, I showed up with my SS card as prove of US citizenship (I didn't have time to send off for a copy of my birth certificate)... Needless to say, I was chastised IMMENSELY in the passport office. (I ended up having to get a copy of my birth certificate anyway and return later).

    Quote Originally Posted by Elphaba View Post
    Why would Zahra and her dad need passports, anyhow? Both of them are Aussie citizens and had to have their own passports to get into this country, to begin with, when they moved here.
    IMHO, I think they must have been getting fake US passports with different names. They may have wanted to go somewhere where they would not be traced. Why else would they need them? The only other explanation is if the Aussie ones they had expired... Not likely if just issued a couple of years ago, though. But we don't know when they were issued...
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    Here's a video with the furniture store people who saw Z and SM. LE veryifying their account is the biggest - and only, so far - news of the day:

    http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Zahra...105082544.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Well I believe she's facing a charge of larceny from an employer. Would love to know the details on that.
    I forgot all about that one, thanks
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    Fake SS cards are easy to get. EB could have already gotten a hold of one for Zahra and one for EB - then they could have "backed in" to faking their passports as US instead of Aus.

    I still say it was to get all the entitlements they could over here. We all know EB was a scammer - so you can bet she knew all about medicaid, section 8 (biggie for paying all or a big part of your rent), food stamps, AFDC (which is straight money onto a debit card) etc.

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    Hmmm, if they were recently trying to fake an id for Zahra it would indicate that they didn't have immediate plans for her death, wouldn't it?
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    I think I know where the photos were taken .... hold have to snoop around a bit. I don't think they were taken at EITHER Baker's trailer or their new house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpectingUnicorns View Post
    Hmmm, if they were recently trying to fake an id for Zahra it would indicate that they didn't have immediate plans for her death, wouldn't it?
    Well.... I had a thought that maybe they were going to go "Elsewhere" (anyone read The Giver?) with false names. Return without Zahra... Then come up with their story but no one would know where to look since they wouldn't know they had left the country under false identity. Hmmm. I would still wonder about something like that if they hadn't had the cadaver hits in the vehicles, removing the mattress, etc.

    Maybe they had a larger plan but SM's temper got the best of her beforehand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    Well....I know here that one piece of false ID leads to another, if they could find one agency to accept a fake ID, then they can use that to have the next agency accept it in order to get another one up the chain, and so it goes. False ID = access to welfare and other sources of income, and would fit in with EB's numerous aliases, as well as an ability to avoid charges and go 'underground'. EB may have not needed to do this because she already had a few 'sets'.
    Where did that list of "aliases" for EB come from? I don't think we should read too much into it, especially if it was from one of those internet pay-to-search sites. Really, for a woman who has been married 3 times, it's not a terribly long list. From what I recall of it, many of the variations were with vs. without middle name, different last names corresponding to her maiden name and marriages, and the nicknames "Lisa" and "Elesa" in place of her given name "Elisa". Using the same search site or database on any random friend of yours whose been married 2 or 3 times would likely yield a similar list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    And her termination of rights could have been all tied into the divorce. I know it would have to have been a separate document - but could have been handled by the courts all at once. He would have to only show that document for the Oz passports and visas to get them here.

    Those are the passports I think they found in the Tahoe.
    Do we know that Zahra's parents were ever married? I don't think I've seen that mentioned, and if I had to take a random guess, I'd guess they weren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    Fake SS cards are easy to get. EB could have already gotten a hold of one for Zahra and one for EB - then they could have "backed in" to faking their passports as US instead of Aus.

    I still say it was to get all the entitlements they could over here. We all know EB was a scammer - so you can bet she knew all about medicaid, section 8 (biggie for paying all or a big part of your rent), food stamps, AFDC (which is straight money onto a debit card) etc.
    How do you get a fake SS card? Either it was issued by the SSA or it was not. I promise you, these numbers are run through the SSA data base before anything else is done as far as applying for benefits.

    You could steal an SS# easily enough, but, the info for the person it was originally issued to would be associated with it. You'd have to hope that their earnings would be low enough to be eligible for the same benefits and that they are not already receiving them, on their own number. Also the names and ages would have to match. And addresses, and all previous employers, etc. This all comes up with a search on SS numbers in the data base.

    eta: I can hop on my computer at work, put in your SS#, and tell you every penny you've ever made and who gave it to you (assuming you weren't working under the table) and every legal name you've ever had.

    I'm sure it's done, I just don't see how.
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    I'm pretttyyy sure the photos for the "passport" pictures were taken at AF's house and if not they were taken at the Baker's trailer.

    There are photos on her MS that show quite a bit of AF's house (trailer?) and a holiday family event at her home.

    The whole living / hallways / dining / kitchen are paneling. The living area and halls are darker paneling and the kitchen is lighter.
    Which is exactly what the photos look like of the "passport pictures".

    Whoops I hit send to SOON .. ETA .... the tile flooring is the same flooring in AF's kitchen area. So unless they lived in a trailer park and all the trailers were the same .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ada View Post
    How do you get a fake SS card? Either it was issued by the SSA or it was not. I promise you, these numbers are run through the SSA data base before anything else is done as far as applying for benefits.

    You could steal an SS# easily enough, but, the info for the person it was originally issued to would be associated with it. You'd have to hope that their earnings would be low enough to be eligible for the same benefits and that they are not already receiving them, on their own number. Also the names and ages would have to match. And addresses, and all previous employers, etc. This all comes up with a search on SS numbers in the data base.

    I'm sure it's done, I just don't see how.
    SS knows every cent ever made, the year and where it was made. They know how much you and your employer contributed to Medicare and SS for your retirement benefits.

    I'm thinking 'identity theft'...wonder if dad or SM knows someone who has died recently.
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    Ok - sorry about the cut n paste but I had to go back to the last thread.

    darlin gal posted this today:

    • Born 2000 in Wagga, Queensland, Australia
    • 2001, father and mother divorce.
    • In 2004, moved with her father to the North Queesnland township of Giru.
    • 2005, diagnosed with a form of bone cancer that led to hearing loss and amputation of lower left leg.
    • 2007, diagnosed with secondary lung cancer.
    • 2008, cancer was declared in remission.
    • 2008, moved to North Carolina with her father and new stepmother.
    • 2010, approximately early September, moved with father and stepmother from Granite Falls area to Hickory.
    • 2010, Oct. 9, reported missing from Hickory home.

    So I do kinda think mom and dad were married at one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4crime View Post
    SS knows every cent ever made, the year and where it was made. They know how much you and your employer contributed to Medicare and SS for your retirement benefits.

    I'm thinking 'identity theft'...wonder if dad or SM knows someone who has died recently.
    Yea but an SS search will also tell you if the person is alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ada View Post
    How do you get a fake SS card? Either it was issued by the SSA or it was not. I promise you, these numbers are run through the SSA data base before anything else is done as far as applying for benefits.

    You could steal an SS# easily enough, but, the info for the person it was originally issued to would be associated with it. You'd have to hope that their earnings would be low enough to be eligible for the same benefits and that they are not already receiving them, on their own number. Also the names and ages would have to match. And addresses, and all previous employers, etc. This all comes up with a search on SS numbers in the data base.

    eta: I can hop on my computer at work, put in your SS#, and tell you every penny you've ever made and who gave it to you (assuming you weren't working under the table) and every legal name you've ever had.

    I'm sure it's done, I just don't see how.
    I don't know HOW they do it - probably on computers and good printers - but living where I do, I have seen "da bossman" pull up, get out, fan out the SS cards in his hand and everyone take one. It is done - it is done ALOT - and it is very common.

    Now with employers using E-verify and all, I don't know about the numbers - but Zahra wouldn't have been working anyway soooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuddytat View Post
    Do we know that Zahra's parents were ever married? I don't think I've seen that mentioned, and if I had to take a random guess, I'd guess they weren't.
    IIRC in the very beginning it was stated that AB was married and divorced from Zahra's mother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ada View Post
    Yea but an SS search will also tell you if the person is alive
    Alive or deceased - identity theft is on the rise at an alarming rate. moo
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    The Times Herald OZ article I linked earlier only says "separated." Nothing about divorce, so I tend to think they were never legally wed.

    "Captain Deal said Zahra's mother and father, Adam Baker, separated when Zahra was a baby, but she maintained contact with her daughter over the years."

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225939455790
    I noticed the use of "separated" as well. It could mean they never legally divorced as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    I don't know HOW they do it - probably on computers and good printers - but living where I do, I have seen "da bossman" pull up, get out, fan out the SS cards in his hand and everyone take one. It is done - it is done ALOT - and it is very common.

    Now with employers using E-verify and all, I don't know about the numbers - but Zahra wouldn't have been working anyway soooo.
    I think those cards are used for getting jobs and not for getting government benefits. Many employers will ask for a SS card and end it at that.

    I'm sorry, I should have clarified in my previous posts that I was referring to using fake SS numbers with the government.

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    Yea but once you have a SS card - you can "move up the ladder" and use it for ID to get all the entitlements - KWIM?

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    Has it been established here already that they were renting from Mr. Co...y?

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