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    NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #20

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    If you have any information regarding this abduction, call the Hickory Police Department immediately at (828) 328-5551, (828) 328-5551 or call 911 or *HP.

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    Social Networks and Rumors...

    Regarding social networks
    Regarding facebook,twitter, and myspace you can link but do not cut and paste. But the goal is to really only link to those that are directly linked to a case.
    IOW, we don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman , or postal carrier just because they know the main player. It just gets too invasive and half the time we are not even sure it is the right person. When a post starts out, I found 5 people with this name do you you think any of these are [insert person here]? that is not a good thing.
    It will often be up to mod discretion as to who can and cannot be linked, but the general rule of thumb is if they are named in the media specifically as having some role or are being questioned or have information then you are probably safe to link. No screen caps and no cutting and pasting. If a social media is set to private and you get in the back way and post what you see, that is not a good thing!Private means private.
    Just imagine if is you if you cannot decide and you shoulod be able to figure out if it is ok.
    You are free to discuss what you may come upon,but if it is just a lot of gossip and rumor it won't fly. People open facebook accounts and post whatever they want and to carry that as some sort of inside info is careless. but, sometimes there is really valuable information that may even come into evidence as in the Caylee Anthony case.So, if you know for a fact it is the right person and they are named outright in the msm as someone linked to the case it should be fine. IF IT IS A MINOR DON"T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!
    If something was posted as public and then removed you might be able to post it, it is up to the mod of the forum and it depends on who, what, when and where.
    The mods are listed at the bottom right of the forum under the index, they can generally help. If not, they will ask admin for guidance and we will all decide what is best.
    Generally we try not to invade everyone's privacy and if the linked information has no bearing on anything, then leave it out.
    We moderate here. Some people love it and some people hate it. Up to you to stay or go, choice is yours. Complaining about our rules doesn't help. if you have a suggestion or think of a better way, bring it on! We are far from perfect and welcome your input as long as it is civil and basically polite.

    Rumors are not allowed! If you have questions please PM me or a Mod, we will be happy to help. Lets keep the threads dedicated to Zahra. Thank you.

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    Thoughts about the hearing aids. The leg would have become a symbol of pain and negativity but perhaps Z still loved being able to hear clearly. To separate her from something positive, even after death, it could be a final sadistic act of aggression. A sadist wouldn't mind leaving a tool of torture with their victims, and denying them any comfort or pleasure is an extension of said torture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytime View Post
    I have a question for the great sleuthers here.......lol

    IF (ha) EB disposed of Zahra's leg along with her her remains, why did she leave the hearing aids behind??



    Something about the hearing aids has my bugged but I cant figure it out.
    You mean it bothers you moreso than the whole bizarreness of the fire, the note, the not "discovering" Zahra was missing til much later that day?

    All of the above (mine and yours) makes no sense to me, I will heave a sigh of releif if we ever find out.


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    Has anyone tried to look up AB's criminal background in Wagga Wagga, New South Wales or in Giru, Queensland, Australia??


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    Quote Originally Posted by mytime View Post
    Has anyone tried to look up AB's criminal background in Wagga Wagga, New South Wales or in Giru, Queensland, Australia??
    If you cannot find a criminal history I think an easier question to find answers from the public might be, did they write any worthless checks in Australia? If EB has a long history of scamming money it would be likely she got to and from Australia by scamming money.

    Therefore I would probably look at the time before she moved to Australia and see if she had scammed enough money to get there or if her bank reveals enough money to purchase an airline ticket and then the time in Australia to see if she scammed any money to go home?


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    Checking the thread and hoping for news.

    One quick thing, I'm starting to look at what I don't see and one thing I've become curious of. AB's relationship with his daughter...

    I also am a father of one daughter, one I love dearly. I would think Zhara would love to see her father coming home from work or spend time with him when she could but there seems to be very limited contact.

    Even in pictures <the ones I've seen> I don't recall one of them with Zahra and her father together. No stories of them together, birthdays etc.

    Am I missing something here, I mean I know about absent fathers but he was Z's caretaker, she lived with him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peliman View Post
    Checking the thread and hoping for news.

    One quick thing, I'm starting to look at what I don't see and one thing I've become curious of. AB's relationship with his daughter...

    I also am a father of one daughter, one I love dearly. I would think Zhara would love to see her father coming home from work or spend time with him when she could but there seems to be very limited contact.

    Even in pictures <the ones I've seen> I don't recall one of them with Zahra and her father together. No stories of them together, birthdays etc.

    Am I missing something here, I mean I know about absent fathers but he was Z's caretaker, she lived with him.
    I could have written that post myself. I just cannot figure him out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
    I could have written that post myself. I just cannot figure him out!
    Me either and I'm a man. Really AB needs to step up his game on behalf of his daughter. I'd come out swinging, with him it's like nothing. His first interview he made a statement at the end and that's it.

    It's hard for me to imagine he didn't see his daughter from when he arrived home Thursday.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peliman View Post
    Checking the thread and hoping for news.

    One quick thing, I'm starting to look at what I don't see and one thing I've become curious of. AB's relationship with his daughter...

    I also am a father of one daughter, one I love dearly. I would think Zhara would love to see her father coming home from work or spend time with him when she could but there seems to be very limited contact.

    Even in pictures <the ones I've seen> I don't recall one of them with Zahra and her father together. No stories of them together, birthdays etc.

    Am I missing something here, I mean I know about absent fathers but he was Z's caretaker, she lived with him.
    Hey there, Peli....

    Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I have twin girls, and there is a special relationship between them and my husband. Daddy's girls. My husband is a Marine with a rough exterior, maybe even a lil stern, but when it comes to his girls, he will let them "do his hair." LOL He's mush. In fact, in our household, most of the photos include him with the girls as I'm the picture taker... lol However, he's ultra-protective too, already dreading the day when they are teens (they are 5 now) and gets bristly when they discuss a "boyfriend" in school even now. No... these girls are his life. I felt guilty almost that I didn't have a boy for him, and he never EVER regretted that. He loves his girls immensely. I haven't seen the pics either.... question the same things. I know it's hard to compare my life with others, but I do have that hanging question: How was Zahra's relationship with her father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peliman View Post
    Checking the thread and hoping for news.

    One quick thing, I'm starting to look at what I don't see and one thing I've become curious of. AB's relationship with his daughter...

    I also am a father of one daughter, one I love dearly. I would think Zhara would love to see her father coming home from work or spend time with him when she could but there seems to be very limited contact.

    Even in pictures <the ones I've seen> I don't recall one of them with Zahra and her father together. No stories of them together, birthdays etc.

    Am I missing something here, I mean I know about absent fathers but he was Z's caretaker, she lived with him.
    I agree. My son has quite a special bond with his dad. While I'm a SAHM, we have a bond - but it's different than dad's. I'm the one who takes him to school, makes sure he gets his homework done, drives him to friends house, and watches Big Bang theory with him I can also be the one who institutes time outs when he gets snarky with me. Since dad works all day, it's all fun and games when he gets home.

    I just can't see a dad ignoring a child when he gets home -- especially one with special needs. I know they're out there, I just don't want to believe it.

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    [I just can't see a dad ignoring a child when he gets home -- especially one with special needs. I know they're out there, I just don't want to believe it.

    MOO

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    I work with alot of clients (families). In some cultures, even good old american culture sometimes, some parents have very little day to day contact with their children. In some, a male may view his role as 'provider'. He may see his duty to find a 'mom' for his child, and a 'wife' for himself, and then set about providing for them. He may have little day to day contact, and if he does, perhaps it's at 'ceremonial' times, such as holidays, when there are others around.

    I don't know what ABs relationship with his child was. I do, however, know some folks who love their children, but may not have a deep, emotional relationship with them. They just aren't capable.

    It could be that AB met this woman, and in a very basic way thought she was unusual, had children that were raised and grown, and that she would be a likely mother for Zahra. He might have enjoyed the same interests, the same hobbies, felt that she was a successful mother before, she would be again.

    People show you what they want you to see, especially in the beginning of any relationship. Everyone has different sides. I believe most of us have a 'dark' side, it's just that in most of us, it doesn't develop, or isn't nurtured.

    This woman might have begun to change once they were back here, in 'her' element. If she is BPD, she probably did love Zahra. She probably was a good step mom for awhile. But then, the human reality of dealing with another person, one who appears to have been an exceptionally mature, kind and paid attention to person happens. She probably began to resent the child, both for her popularity, and then because she proved a 'real life' responsiblity in a way that she did not want to deal with. She might have come to resent it more and more, and take it out on the child, who I imagine probably did not just accept it. She might have complained to her father, who perhaps chalked it up to a child who had a 'step mom problem'. Perhaps he told Z that she would have to work it out with step mom. Perhaps he told Step mom that she would have to deal with Z, and left them both to it.

    The Austrailian men, guys who are 'working blokes' that I've worked with, for the most part, are a pretty basis 'men's men' sort of fellow. They aren't into 'feelings' and deep emotional displays of feeling. They might feel, but in their world, a man is a man and he takes care of things in private and puts on a stoic face. I had an Austrailian client one time who had a very sad loss who after telling me, put his hands on his lap, sighed and then said 'well, alright then, nothing to do but get off to work'.

    I'm not saying they don't feel, but many men cope with things differently, and coming from a different culture, this can be even greater.

    anyway, just some thoughts, and M O O.

    have a good morning everyone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mytime View Post
    Has anyone tried to look up AB's criminal background in Wagga Wagga, New South Wales or in Giru, Queensland, Australia??
    Honestly, I don't know if you can! I just ran a couple of ideas through Google (names of prisons, etc) but I can't find anywhere that has prisoners personal details or details of prior charges available online. I think our privacy rules are too stringent. But if you do find a way, let me know!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoeticSoul View Post
    The simple fact that he would drag his sickly daughter half way around the world and tear her away from the only mother she's known.. for an internet romance, I'll never be able to get past. A loving father does not do that. Selfish ones do. MHO And WHY couldn't they have just stayed there in AU?
    Well, for one thing, Australia has a "character requirement" for immigrants (including those married to Australian citizens):

    http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/character-requirements/

    Character test specifics:
    http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sh...9character.htm


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