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    Who will be the Defense Forensic Expert Now?

    Now That Baden has left, I wonder who the defense will use. Maybe Cheney Mason...hee hee

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    Quote Originally Posted by suepitzl View Post
    Now That Baden has left, I wonder who the defense will use. Maybe Cheney Mason...hee hee
    What about the other new attorney Dorothy Sims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suepitzl View Post
    Now That Baden has left, I wonder who the defense will use. Maybe Cheney Mason...hee hee
    Baez appears to be trying to use Dorothy Clay Sims. The attorney who claims to have not owned a TV in decades. Here is a link to the 9/14/2010 press conference where she was "introduced."

    http://www.wftv.com/video/25003334/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sun View Post
    Baez appears to be trying to use Dorothy Clay Sims. The attorney who claims to have not owned a TV in decades. Here is a link to the 9/14/2010 press conference where she was "introduced."

    http://www.wftv.com/video/25003334/index.html
    She doesn't seem to have much experience with "death is different" cases. But, she does enjoy holding Cobras! Here's a quote from her website: (scroll 1/2 down)

    "Holding a cobra in India. She jokingly refers to this as practicing for the depositions of some doctors."
    http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php
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    At least with her experience in medical malpractice and exploitation, Dorothy Clay Sims should be able to PRONOUNCE the scientific terms! (snicker!!!!!) AND perhaps her "doc in a box" program DOES have a FORENSIC PATHOLOGY component to assist the "team". HMMMMM, will JAC permit payment for OUT of COUNTRY but INSIDE COURTROOM via COMPUTER whispers consultants and of course the "electrical juice"?
    Can't you just see the itemized invoice now: 1. desk,Mac & PC desktop & laptop each (must have backup!), chair, extension cord, desk lamp, bulb, pen, paper, expensive downloaded program, single user, rental charge for office space>>>>INDIA and 2. same for USA but add crayons for JB. OH YES, Dorothy Clay Sims will declare that she has arranged the professional services as "pro bono" IF consumables & tangibles (read: stuff we can make a profit on at resale) are provided by JAC.

    OH HECK, I'm being too snarky!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joypath View Post
    At least with her experience in medical malpractice and exploitation, Dorothy Clay Sims should be able to PRONOUNCE the scientific terms! (snicker!!!!!) AND perhaps her "doc in a box" program DOES have a FORENSIC PATHOLOGY component to assist the "team". HMMMMM, will JAC permit payment for OUT of COUNTRY but INSIDE COURTROOM via COMPUTER whispers consultants and of course the "electrical juice"?
    Can't you just see the itemized invoice now: 1. desk,Mac & PC desktop & laptop each (must have backup!), chair, extension cord, desk lamp, bulb, pen, paper, expensive downloaded program, single user, rental charge for office space>>>>INDIA and 2. same for USA but add crayons for JB. OH YES, Dorothy Clay Sims will declare that she has arranged the professional services as "pro bono" IF consumables & tangibles (read: stuff we can make a profit on at resale) are provided by JAC.

    OH HECK, I'm being too snarky!
    Pushing the thanks button just wasn't good enough here Joypath! OMG, I am still cracking up. Keep on with your snarky stuff!

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    Do most indigent capital defendants in Florida receive a specific "forensic specialist" attorney at state expense? I thought they are guaranteed a team of lawyers skilled and knowledgeable in the law of the state and with experience in death penalty cases? I don't believe the state has any obligation to provide specific types of representation. If one chooses to sign on pro bono, lucky defendant. But I think we see the way the wind is blowing for KC and free of charge nationally famous dream teams.

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    Sing these words to the tune of Blowin in the wind

    "How many times must a lawyer walk away?
    Before the guilty get a clue?
    The answer my friend, is blowin in the wind
    The answer is blowin in the wind"

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    Quote Originally Posted by faefrost View Post
    Do most indigent capital defendants in Florida receive a specific "forensic specialist" attorney at state expense? I thought they are guaranteed a team of lawyers skilled and knowledgeable in the law of the state and with experience in death penalty cases? I don't believe the state has any obligation to provide specific types of representation. If one chooses to sign on pro bono, lucky defendant. But I think we see the way the wind is blowing for KC and free of charge nationally famous dream teams.
    It depends how you define "at state expense."

    If an indigent capital murder defendant needs an attorney who is capable of handling forensic experts, they get one. Normally indigent attorneys are represented by the public defender's office which has attorneys on staff who possess those kinds of special skills and expertise. The judge has already ordered that no attorneys fees will be paid regardless what specialist attorneys are brought in.

    If there are reasonable and necessary expenses related to the defense attorney's properly preparing for and questioning forensic experts and/or examination and analysis of forensic evidence, then those expenses will be paid. For example, the costs of photocopying the prosecution's experts' records and reports will be paid for since Casey is "indigent for costs," same as if she was being represented by a Public Defender who would need copies of those records and reports. The travel expenses of a special forensic attorney will not be, since those costs would NOT have been incurred if Casey was being represented by the Public Defender thus they are not "reasonable and necessary" expenses.

    How I have seen similar situations handled in California is that the Public Defender's office became "co-counsel" with the private attorney, then Public Defender's office provided its normal resources i.e. attorneys with special expertise, medical/psychological experts, forensic labs, etc. I suspect that is where Casey's defense is ultimately headed.

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    What happened to the duo from the Netherlands? Maybe they will be taking LKB's forensics place???

    I can't imagine all these top notch attorneys are jumping ship due only to not being reimbursed for travel expenses. Could it be they are all at odds with each other on HOW to defend this client?

    They knew ICA was declared indigent. They took on this case as pro bono attorneys and it seems to me, they are setting up grounds for appeals with financial issues.

    I was looking around to see if any appeals issues on JAC payments...I found Lenamon did argue with JAC flat fees and won his bid but seems he did have extrodinary cirumstances or he's just a better attorney who knows how to argue his case ....JMHO
    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-distri...l/1503976.html


    JAC agreement for due process...
    http://www.justiceadmin.org/ind_for_...%205-11-10.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveLaughLuv View Post
    What happened to the duo from the Netherlands? Maybe they will be taking LKB's forensics place???

    I can't imagine all these top notch attorneys are jumping ship due only to not being reimbursed for travel expenses. Could it be they are all at odds with each other on HOW to defend this client?

    They knew ICA was declared indigent. They took on this case as pro bono attorneys and it seems to me, they are setting up grounds for appeals with financial issues.

    I was looking around to see if any appeals issues on JAC payments...I found Lenamon did argue with JAC flat fees and won his bid but seems he did have extrodinary cirumstances or he's just a better attorney who knows how to argue his case ....JMHO
    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-distri...l/1503976.html


    JAC agreement for due process...
    http://www.justiceadmin.org/ind_for_...%205-11-10.pdf

    Justice for Caylee
    Wonder where this would case would be if jb would have listened and followed TL input and experience?????? BUT NO----
    jmo

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    I wonder what happened to Dr. Henry Lee??? Is he still on the defense team? Doesn't he handle forensics? He too has been absent for a very long while. I wonder if his crate of oranges ran out???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katprint View Post
    It depends how you define "at state expense."

    If an indigent capital murder defendant needs an attorney who is capable of handling forensic experts, they get one. Normally indigent attorneys are represented by the public defender's office which has attorneys on staff who possess those kinds of special skills and expertise. The judge has already ordered that no attorneys fees will be paid regardless what specialist attorneys are brought in.

    If there are reasonable and necessary expenses related to the defense attorney's properly preparing for and questioning forensic experts and/or examination and analysis of forensic evidence, then those expenses will be paid. For example, the costs of photocopying the prosecution's experts' records and reports will be paid for since Casey is "indigent for costs," same as if she was being represented by a Public Defender who would need copies of those records and reports. The travel expenses of a special forensic attorney will not be, since those costs would NOT have been incurred if Casey was being represented by the Public Defender thus they are not "reasonable and necessary" expenses.

    How I have seen similar situations handled in California is that the Public Defender's office became "co-counsel" with the private attorney, then Public Defender's office provided its normal resources i.e. attorneys with special expertise, medical/psychological experts, forensic labs, etc. I suspect that is where Casey's defense is ultimately headed.

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    ITA! I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Ms. Dorothy C-S fall by the wayside and have to be replaced with a local public defender who is trained in forensics. JB doesn't seem to understand that KC is entitled to a "fair trial", not a "trial of the century" where all involved are followed by the press and offered book deals for their "story". As far as I can tell, the only story JB has to tell is this: "Yes. I lied, cheated, and deceived to try to free a baby killer. I sold pictures of a murder victim and used the proceeds to taint the jury pool on behalf of her murderer. Oh! And to buy twizzlers. If you are in need of my services, please call 1-BAD-LAW-YERS." JMO, of course.




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    In COURT!

    Folks here's where the key loss of LKB will be quite noticeable: IN THE COURTROOM!
    Yeah, she has a "style" that grates upon MANY (some might say it's part of the package, others say it's the developed "lawyer persona", me traveling mid line here as the kids say, she's got some social "skills"). In the vernacular, she's an American Staffordshire with a BONE when trying to prove a itsy bitsy point of perceived fact or even TRUTH! She "knows the lingo", jargon isn't jargonese when you UNDERSTAND the terminology AND the subsets within the jargonese, when you as she can, toss out the synonyms and antonyms like second nature, even to the point of confusing the testifying "pro". She can be "folksy", dictatorial, empathetic, maternal (yep, SEEN IT!) and darn right NASTY (no comment!) but she WAS the best asset they had to attempt to dig into the forensic material and find flaws, no matter how insignificant. Am I her cheerleader, heck NO! but respectful of her, darn straight skippy!

    Can JB,CM or even the highly touted DCS accomplish this goal in the next few months for a courtroom performance?
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    LOL Joypath!! The departure of LKB means the RGB's in my television won't completely fry out in the yellow range the way they did in the Spector trial.

    Injustice for Caylee Marie Anthony.

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