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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Heyya otg.

    How much give does that type of cord actually have?
    I can't say about that particular brand, but other types of cord like that (outer braid, inner weave), a lot -- compared to other types of cord, rope, etc.

    Look sometime when you happen to be in a store that sells cord by the foot from a large roll: Sporting Goods, Hardware, Building Supplies. Find closest to the Stansport cord and pull out a section for comparison.
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    Quote -Originally Posted by RTC
    Remember when John Walsh said jbr was hanged?? It was blown off as a mistake on his part but would JW really make that mistake? This always bothered me, he seems too together to have made such a big error?

    This can be found at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...4/lkl.00.html:

    WALSH: You know, we were asked to do that case a year afterward to try to help the Boulder police, you know, get a couple tips on it. But I think everybody knows that the case was compromised by bad police work in the beginning. I'm not the first one to say that and I'm a great supporter of law enforcement.

    I mean, you are a detective and you go to a kidnapping of a high -- prominent family in a very wealthy area, and then, you know, police work 101, you clear the house and you clear the crime scene. She allowed the father and his friend to search the house. So he cuts down JonBenet, who is hanging down there. He compromised the crime scene, whether he had anything to do with it or he had nothing to do with it, he cut down his daughter in the crime scene with the DNA.

    I think he just had the facts wrong, I have never heard of anyone else thinking she might have been hanged. An interesting thought however.


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  4. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by otg View Post
    I can't say about that particular brand, but other types of cord like that (outer braid, inner weave), a lot -- compared to other types of cord, rope, etc.

    Look sometime when you happen to be in a store that sells cord by the foot from a large roll: Sporting Goods, Hardware, Building Supplies. Find closest to the Stansport cord and pull out a section for comparison.
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    Consider also the possibility that it may have been a shoelace from a high top basketball shoe. They are very similar in weave.
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  6. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    JB did not have an older sister. She had an older HALF-sister who did not lived in the Boulder house. Not sure MR ever lived in that house.
    IDI had no way of knowing who was sleeping in rooms near JB. JB's room itself had an extra bed, in which her grandmother or other guests sometimes slept.
    It matters not if MR was her sister or half sister, I wonder why you wanted to make that distinction? No she did not live there, but as you say IDI would not have known that. So there is a girls room (with two beds) 2 boy's rooms and a parents room. No prizes for guessing there's a 'daughter'.

    Pretty foolish to climb up on the balcony (and THAT would make some noise), not knowing if the door was open and who might be sleeping close to JB. She may not have even been there- she sometimes slept in her brother's room.
    I'll borrow HOTYH's expression "reading impaired" and apply it here. What I said was they may have entered the house via the balcony when the family was out. Remember the RN, (written in the house that day)??

    I'm still trying to fathom why someone who knows JR's business and his name and a little about him, (even if the southern part is technically incorrect), but doesn't know the name of his daughter(s), would choose to threaten to kidnap one of these daughters and then kill her, leaving the body and getting no ransom. Either it was a big mistake on the IDI's behalf, or he deliberately laid a false trail for them meaning to kill her all along.

    What part of the crime shows that murder may have been originally intended?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MurriFlower View Post
    It matters not if MR was her sister or half sister, I wonder why you wanted to make that distinction? No she did not live there, but as you say IDI would not have known that. So there is a girls room (with two beds) 2 boy's rooms and a parents room. No prizes for guessing there's a 'daughter'.



    I'll borrow HOTYH's expression "reading impaired" and apply it here. What I said was they may have entered the house via the balcony when the family was out. Remember the RN, (written in the house that day)??

    I'm still trying to fathom why someone who knows JR's business and his name and a little about him, (even if the southern part is technically incorrect), but doesn't know the name of his daughter(s), would choose to threaten to kidnap one of these daughters and then kill her, leaving the body and getting no ransom. Either it was a big mistake on the IDI's behalf, or he deliberately laid a false trail for them meaning to kill her all along.

    What part of the crime shows that murder may have been originally intended?
    Murder was included as possibly on the agenda:

    "You are not the only fat cat around, so dont think that killing will be difficult."

    I've tried to sort this sentence out but its not easy. Killing who? Who are the other fat cats? Is the author saying he's a fat cat too? Or does the author believe that fat cats are bad and are to be killed?

    Also the author threatens to kill JBR several times.

    However when you consider the wrist ligature, tape over the mouth, and blanket it suggests a scenario whereby JBR was to be moved as a living captive.

    Note to RDI: please spare the 'staging' stuff as I've heard it n times. The rectangular hole thru JBR's skull doesn't look anything like staging to me, OK? Neither does the deep furrow around her neck with petechial hemorrhaging. Its the real deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurriFlower View Post
    Consider also the possibility that it may have been a shoelace from a high top basketball shoe. They are very similar in weave.http://www.footasylum.com/images/pro...rge/000026.jpg
    The difference between the shoelace and the cord used in the crime is that the shoelace has no woven center. While it is braided on the outside similarly to the Stansport Utility Cord, without the center it is too flat. Also, I don't know this, but I would guess that the shoelace is cotton, whereas the Stansport was nylon.

    MurriFlower, I will tell you this: The flat braided utility cord we've seen the pictures of is very hard to find. I have, in trying to recreate the look of the knots, used my own shoelaces. Stansport brand is sold over internet, but I haven't been able to find the exact kind as was used on JonBenet. If someone else can find it, I think they could sell a lot of it to us JBR fanatics.
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  12. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Murder was included as possibly on the agenda:

    "You are not the only fat cat around, so dont think that killing will be difficult."

    I've tried to sort this sentence out but its not easy. Killing who? Who are the other fat cats? Is the author saying he's a fat cat too? Or does the author believe that fat cats are bad and are to be killed?

    Also the author threatens to kill JBR several times.

    However when you consider the wrist ligature, tape over the mouth, and blanket it suggests a scenario whereby JBR was to be moved as a living captive. Note to RDI: please spare the 'staging' stuff as I've heard it n times. The rectangular hole thru JBR's skull doesn't look anything like staging to me, OK? Neither does the deep furrow around her neck with petechial hemorrhaging. Its the real deal.
    Yes, BUT the killing was a threat that was ONLY to be carried out in the event of John disobeying the explicit instructions!! This is reiterated many times, in fact, seems to be the main theme of the RN.

    I've look at the fat cat remark from every which way and the only way I can make some sense of it is in the WarCraft scenario.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MurriFlower View Post
    Yes, BUT the killing was a threat that was ONLY to be carried out in the event of John disobeying the explicit instructions!! This is reiterated many times, in fact, seems to be the main theme of the RN.

    I've look at the fat cat remark from every which way and the only way I can make some sense of it is in the WarCraft scenario.

    BBM

    Why is it hard to consider the "Fat Cat" remark about John as referring to his friends in Atlanta? WarCraft might be a suitable theory if it were not for the fact that John Ramsey was an Atlanta Fat Cat and that is an indisputable fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeskidbeck View Post
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    Why is it hard to consider the "Fat Cat" remark about John as referring to his friends in Atlanta? WarCraft might be a suitable theory if it were not for the fact that John Ramsey was an Atlanta Fat Cat and that is an indisputable fact.
    No Beck, you misunderstand me. I am talking about the actual quote from the RN "you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult".

    Think about JR being a fat cat and what that has to do with ease or difficulty of killing. HOTYH was saying he cannot see how that makes sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MurriFlower View Post
    No Beck, you misunderstand me. I am talking about the actual quote from the RN "you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult".

    Think about JR being a fat cat and what that has to do with ease or difficulty of killing. HOTYH was saying he cannot see how that makes sense.

    Yeah its like that sentence is having some issues. Its as if it was written by a foreigner or something!


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeskidbeck View Post
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    Why is it hard to consider the "Fat Cat" remark about John as referring to his friends in Atlanta? WarCraft might be a suitable theory if it were not for the fact that John Ramsey was an Atlanta Fat Cat and that is an indisputable fact.
    How does adding Atlanta to the sentence provide any clarification?

    If JR is an Atlanta Fat Cat then the sentence is still unintelligible. 'you're not the only [atlanta] fat cat so dont think that killing will be difficult'.

    Are we threatening other Atlanta Fat Cats? Is the ransom note author an Atlanta fat cat too, and that fact somehow facilitates killing? Where's the rhyme and reason here? Is it asking too much? Why do I feel like I need an interpreter, someone to explain this sentence to me?

    In reality, this sentence is improperly forumlated. The author therefore failed to convey a message. A breakdown in the communication. Not an uncommon mistake for a foreigner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Yeah its like that sentence is having some issues. Its as if it was written by a foreigner or something!
    Do you see any other confused sentence construction in the RN that fails to convey a clear meaning?


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    I can see that the sentence has issues. I have always took it to mean that John Ramsey shouldn't think he was the only man around with power, that others did too.
    Maybe I'm wrong, probably am. Sure won't be the first or last time. But, honestly, using the term "fat cat" when talking to John Ramsey cannot be just a lucky coincidence. He was very proud of his fat cat status, so were the Paughs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeskidbeck View Post
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    Why is it hard to consider the "Fat Cat" remark about John as referring to his friends in Atlanta? WarCraft might be a suitable theory if it were not for the fact that John Ramsey was an Atlanta Fat Cat and that is an indisputable fact.
    You’re right, Becky. The reference to “fat cats” is simply another instance of PR weaving together references that she heard into her little ransom “story.”

    The ransom note would become public only in September 1997. Karen Howard, an employee of Access Graphics, said that she was struck by the words “you are not the only fat cat around.” Howard remembered that Patsy’s father, Don Paugh, used the word cats all the time; for example, “Those cats down in marketing.”
    PMPT, page 294

    Q. Had you ever heard any of those phrases used in relation to you before?
    A. In relation to me?
    Q. Uh-huh (affirmative).
    A. No.
    Q. Had you heard anybody that you knew ever use those as common phrases in their speech?
    A. Yes.
    Q. Would you identify them?
    A. Priscilla White used the term "fat cat" in my presence.

    Q. (By Mr. Hoffman) Mr. Ramsey, so youare certain that you don't remember anybody in your family using any of the phrases in the ransom note?
    A. I am certain I don't remember ever hearing anyone in my family using any of those phrases.
    John Ramsey Deposition Wolf v Ramsey


    MIKE KANE: There are these phrases in here that seem to have some kind of Hollywood
    connection? What did you think about that?
    JOHN RAMSEY: It didn't dawn on me at the time, because we (INAUDIBLE) so much. But that came out later. There was a couple of phrases that came out later: "you must grow a brain"; and we can talk about the of the fat cat; and other fat cats here, or something like that.
    MIKE KANE: You're not the only fat cat around.
    JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Those are the phrases that we, you know, later we thought we had heard from people around us who have tried to reconstruct who, where.
    MIKE KANE: When you say we thought?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy and I.
    MIKE KANE: Okay. And how was it that you heard?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, grow a brain, fat cats. We'd heard those before.
    MIKE KANE: Were you ever able to --
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had some names we came up with. We passed on (INAUDIBLE) our
    friends in Atlanta, "Atlanta fat cats" later in that week.
    MIKE KANE: When was that specifically?
    JOHN RAMSEY: That was when she was back; when we were back for the funeral.
    MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) friends saying that about?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, when we went back, Ron Westmoreland had like a little reception after the funeral, and some of my friends were there, and he has a beautiful home in Atlanta. He makes a lot of money. It's not a stretch for him to have it. It's very nice. My friends were around me, consoling me and trying to give me advice. And to be a part of that group it's the Atlanta fat cats.
    JR Interview, June 23rd , 1998
    “It saddens me that 20 years after my sister Nicole’s murder, we are still seeing the same crimes, just different names, over and over again.”
    - Denise Brown (sister of Nicole Brown Simpson)


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    Failing to convey a message?

    I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.

    Does this mean Dec 26 or Dec 27? Hello?

    You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult.

    Killing who? And what is it about fat cats that makes killing easier?


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    Or just plain awkward?


    We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction.


    Redundant. We would already know that if there is a group then it would be comprised of individuals.

    We respect your business but not the country that it serves.

    Businesses generally aren't thought of as 'serving' countries. In fact, businesses are mostly thought of as going around government regulations. The meaning is clear but its peculiar and that makes it awkward. I think it very clearly indicates a socialist ideology.

    If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier pickup of your daughter.

    Very awkward with grammatical errors. If this is a journalism major they failed. Of course they may have been dumbing down their journalistic ability but only sometimes, because RDI consistenly claims the note was obviously written by a journalism major. What a laugh.

    Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter.

    Less awkward is "any deviation 'from' my instructions."







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