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    I doubted Mexico would do any real testing.

    There are so many dead bodies found in Mexico I couldn't imagine them trying to forensically ID them all.

    I hope David is found one day.
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    I was almost certain they would not identify this poor person's dead body as David Hartley. There are so many people killed in Mexico, related to the drug cartels in the past several years, it's unreal. No DNA testing? I am NOT surprised at all. This is just another day in THEIR WORLD.

    I've been following this since '04(?), '05(?), when articles started popping up about over 40 people from Loredo, Texas who'd disappeared after crossing into Mexcio. LE in Mexico told the families it was because their loved ones were involved with the drug cartels, when MANY said, "There is no way!' After reading several of the families' accounts, I realized, these people were being slaughtered for no reason. I even attempted to begin a dialogue here on Websleuths and started a thread, but received almost no response, or very little.

    Living on the Mexican border and having family from Mexico, I KNOW what's happening. I personally love Mexico and am sad that it's now too dangerous to travel there.

    But guess what? I still have people in my family who still find a reason, 'oh, they just have to go there. Don't worry, nothing will happen.' ....................oh? really?

    I realize there are many people who I, or anyone else, can convince that this was a day-trip that went horribly bad. This is after all, a crime sleuthing community and many of us suspect everything and everyone. But sometimes, bad things happen to nice people. Nice people sometimes make bad, or incorrect decisions that have deadly consequences. And the younger you are, the more invincible you feel, leading to the type of thing that happened to David and Tiffany Hartley. To be honest, when I was their age, I may have felt the same. IF ONLY I knew THEN, what I KNOW NOW, well,................you get the point.

    Unfortunately, I believe the Hartley family will never find the answers they seek. There is no happy ending here. There will most likely never be an arrest, ............. no confession, no body.......... Just another day in the world,........... life of the Mexican drug cartels.

    So sad. So many lost lives, unnecessary loss of life. My heart goes out to all of the victims of this violence. Most especially to Tiffany and the Hartley family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    http://www.9news.com/news/article/24...le-jet-skiing-

    Test results from the Mexican government show clothing on a human skeleton found on Falcon Lake does not match what David Hartley was wearing the day he reportedly died. Additionally, the skeleton's skull does not have a bullet wound.

    * earlier reports said the skull did have a bullet hole.
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    Was checking my subscriptions and I noticed this thread had revived activity...
    I did not hear/read that skeletal remains had been found in Falcon Lake..
    Looks like I need to go back a few pages and start reading ....
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    Mexico makes arrest in killing of U.S. tourist on Falcon Lake

    Mexico makes arrest in killing of U.S. tourist on Falcon Lake

    "Mexican marines over the weekend arrested a man they say masterminded some of the most horrific crimes in northern Mexico, including the killing of U.S. tourist David Michael Hartley two years ago and mass slaughters in a border state."

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    I'm hoping this family can get some answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoeticSoul View Post
    Mexico makes arrest in killing of U.S. tourist on Falcon Lake

    "Mexican marines over the weekend arrested a man they say masterminded some of the most horrific crimes in northern Mexico, including the killing of U.S. tourist David Michael Hartley two years ago and mass slaughters in a border state."

    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...#ixzz28jMfJ9vX
    From your link:

    Mexican officials said Martínez is a high-ranking Zeta who oversaw the gang's criminal activity in the states of Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila, all of which border Texas. Mexico had a 15 million peso (more than $1 million) bounty on his head.

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    Mexican authorities have arrested an alleged drug cartel leader known as Commander Squirrel who they say is linked to the 2010 murder of American jet skier David Hartley on a border lake, as well as to more than 200 other deaths in Mexico. http://news.yahoo.com/narcoboss-comm...opstories.html
    Well, I'm glad there's a chance there might be some justice.


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    I'm hoping this has some actual ties to Hartley, and not some 'round up the usual suspects and close the books' due to diplomatic pressure. Everything about this case has been so odd and vague, cynical thought I know, this just crosses my mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by corq View Post
    I'm hoping this has some actual ties to Hartley, and not some 'round up the usual suspects and close the books' due to diplomatic pressure. Everything about this case has been so odd and vague, cynical thought I know, this just crosses my mind.
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    Tiffany Hartley hopeful that Mexico will try cartel leader in her husband’s slaying

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    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...on-3933490.php

    Hartley widow says Zeta arrest brings vindication

    Hartley, who now lives in Colorado, said the announcement should satisfy her critics: “The people who thought I had something to do with it can finally go, ‘But Mexico's admitting that they had something to do with it.'”

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said early that “speculation is unwarranted” toward Tiffany Hartley.

    Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said he was frustrated by the way the Mexican government treated her.

    “She wasn't interviewed but rather interrogated,” he said.

    Some months earlier, officials received reports of armed “pirates” on the lake, robbing U.S. fishermen at gunpoint.

    Sheriff Gonzalez said Tuesday that Tiffany's story was, from the beginning, consistent with those reports.

    “I'm sure that the Mexican military is not going to lie about this thing,” Gonzalez said. “I'm sure he was involved somehow, though not the actual killing of Hartley himself.”

    Mexican officials naming Hartley as a murder victim is “very important,” he said.
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    David Hartley - Pirates shoot US man in Mexican waters #3

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    Except for the FACT there was ZERO reason to hide THIS body.

    Sorry there was every reason to take and hide the American body that they killed to protect their drug dealings.

    Last night I watched a cnn special on it. They have witnesses that have come forth to support wife's story and photos of the pirates from surveillance that are dressed exactly as she described.

    It happened just as she says it did.

    It's so sad that we are so suspicious of victims anymore.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/world/...cartel-arrest/

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../23/cp.01.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta View Post
    Sorry there was every reason to take and hide the American body that they killed to protect their drug dealings.

    Last night I watched a cnn special on it. They have witnesses that have come forth to support wife's story and photos of the pirates from surveillance that are dressed exactly as she described.

    It happened just as she says it did.

    It's so sad that we are so suspicious of victims anymore.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/world/...cartel-arrest/

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../23/cp.01.html


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    Wow! I guess that's what the sheriff meant in October 2010 when he said there was extensive evidence to back up the wife's account of the events.

    I wish I would have seen that special. I've followed this case since the beginning and never doubted her story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    Wow! I guess that's what the sheriff meant in October 2010 when he said there was extensive evidence to back up the wife's account of the events.

    I wish I would have seen that special. I've followed this case since the beginning and never doubted her story.
    Mexico is such a mess.


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