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    Exclamation Regarding social networks

    Regarding social networks
    Regarding facebook,twitter, and myspace you can link but do not cut and paste. But the goal is to really only link to those that are directly linked to a case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiWanBaniki View Post
    Sorry--just catching up post trick-or-treating, but I think what netsleuther may have meant is that if a dealer were to offer a junkie a 'fix' in exchange for disposing of something (for instance, a prosthetic?), it wouldn't take much convincing.

    netsleuther--please correct me if that's wrong. I hadn't thought of that before, but it makes a lot of sense...
    Nah then they wouldn't have taken EB out of prison to help look for the leg. Either EB had no idea and they just wanted to take her to the spot or someone else came forward with the info. IMO EB told them she disposed of the leg but is saying she has no idea where Zahra is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laddsy View Post
    Nah then they wouldn't have taken EB out of prison to help look for the leg. Either EB had no idea and they just wanted to take her to the spot or someone else came forward with the info. IMO EB told them she disposed of the leg but is saying she has no idea where Zahra is.
    I agree that's the most plausible theory, but was trying to acknowledge that the other one could make sense, as well IMHO. I could've worded it more clearly, but I am super bad at multitasking, which is inevitable having three kids...
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    Has everyone seen this? It recaps a lot, but has a couple ofthings that were new to me, at least.

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/
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    This strikes me as very odd:

    [snip from abovelinked article - BBM]:

    In December 2009, the Bakers’ landlord at the trailer park served Adam Baker with an eviction notice saying that he owed $1,114 in back rent. The trailer rented for $115 a week, seeming to indicate that they had been living there and not paying for about two months, a time that would overlap with the time they were living at the apartment in Granite Falls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiWanBaniki View Post
    I agree that's the most plausible theory, but was trying to acknowledge that the other one could make sense, as well IMHO. I could've worded it more clearly, but I am super bad at multitasking, which is inevitable having three kids...
    LOL

    Luckily I am at work without the distraction of the kiddies. I still dont make any sense though

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    Just pondering -- it's sad that Zahra didn't get to celebrate Halloween today. She seems the type of kiddo who probably really enjoyed the holiday

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    I don't understand what Netsleuther meant about Z walking out of the house and the missing car. Does that mean a possibility she was outside the house, something happened and someone was paid to drive the monte carlo away either knowingly or not with Zahra in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgardner View Post
    Just pondering -- it's sad that Zahra didn't get to celebrate Halloween today. She seems the type of kiddo who probably really enjoyed the holiday

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    There were pics on EB's myspace that showed them all dressed up enjoying halloween together

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    SNIPPED: Two weeks later, on May 23, teenage neighbors took out an arrest warrant on Elisa Baker in connection with an incident related to her making Zahra walk up that hill.

    SNIPPED: “You could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her, so we would call the police,” Corrine said. “We called DSS on her too, but they never did anything.”

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/

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    Adam Baker told authorities that he panicked after the fire and didn’t immediately check on his daughter.

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/

    Really? When she was missing, he didn't sound panicked on the 911. Not buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    Adam Baker told authorities that he panicked after the fire and didn’t immediately check on his daughter.

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/

    Really? When she was missing, he didn't sound panicked on the 911. Not buying it.
    I'm not buying it either. The whole 911 call is a mystery to me. He sounds so nonchalant -- "there was a ransom note, they must have mistakenly taken my daughter instead (insert laughter here)". The broody, coming into puberty blah -- never heard anything like it.

    Yet he panicked after the fire? I thought they just went back to bed without even bothering to check on Zahra.

    IMHO - she was already gone. What 10 year old stays in bed when there are police and fire department at your house.

    All I can say is wow - just wow!

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    Hickory Police Deputy Chief Clyde Deal said Sunday that searchers will probably return to Zahra Baker's house early today, and authorities will then decide where to focus for the rest of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vjlaw View Post
    I don't understand what Netsleuther meant about Z walking out of the house and the missing car. Does that mean a possibility she was outside the house, something happened and someone was paid to drive the monte carlo away either knowingly or not with Zahra in it?
    By giving the benefit of the doubt and not being too dismissive of the actual words EB and AB have said, even if anyone can, does, would suspect that every word that has been said is a lie. I am not here to insult, upset or defend anyone just looking for Z.

    So trying to leave no stone unturned and definitely not playing devils advocate I thought about turning some stones.

    In the Video where AB was standing next to LE on camera and was interrupted by LE saying they prefer to keep things in the investigation, I had to scratch my head and give AB the benefit of the doubt.

    I didn't come here to shout out for him, no disrespect but that's not why I am here. I am here firstly as a Father, a Dad, my kids old man.

    EB wrote the ransom note, IMO she is thick in the middle of this but that does not mean AB is, just from her ransom note.

    EB said she didn't kill Z but she did admit to writing the note to throw off LE, is that a stone that needs turning? Well why not and what if?

    There is a mystery Monte Carlo, probably just as intriguing as a fake ransom note and if it is a stray lead then I hope I can stop thinking about it soon and move onto something else or try to catch up with you guys.

    There is an extended family member who says to media she failed to speak up due to drugs.

    There are family fights bad enough that they join the damned and go to court.

    And IF when the FD were putting the fire out, IF Z were taken roughly there would have to have been some sign, if it were a quick hey Z come here we going for a drive in the Mote Carlo that's a mystery Monte Carlo then maybe she trusted someone enough to sneak out.

    As for the rest that's just a new stone that needs turning and if it ends up at a roadblock or unhelpful, I have hit my limit for today until new news arrives that a Monte Carlo was in or out of the equation.

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    Outrageous...AB just oblivious to all this? A zombie? Bull.

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    Some good points there netsleuther. I think they need to find the missing car so we can put that aspect aside. Is it possible she was taken away in the monte carlo and the leg was thrown out of the window on route to destination???

    Then why are they turning the house and yard upside down? It doesn't make any sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsleuther View Post
    By giving the benefit of the doubt and not being too dismissive of the actual words EB and AB have said, even if anyone can, does, would suspect that every word that has been said is a lie. I am not here to insult, upset or defend anyone just looking for Z.

    So trying to leave no stone unturned and definitely not playing devils advocate I thought about turning some stones.

    In the Video where AB was standing next to LE on camera and was interrupted by LE saying they prefer to keep things in the investigation, I had to scratch my head and give AB the benefit of the doubt.

    I didn't come here to shout out for him, no disrespect but that's not why I am here. I am here firstly as a Father, a Dad, my kids old man.

    EB wrote the ransom note, IMO she is thick in the middle of this but that does not mean AB is, just from her ransom note.

    EB said she didn't kill Z but she did admit to writing the note to throw off LE, is that a stone that needs turning? Well why not and what if?

    There is a mystery Monte Carlo, probably just as intriguing as a fake ransom note and if it is a stray lead then I hope I can stop thinking about it soon and move onto something else or try to catch up with you guys.

    There is an extended family member who says to media she failed to speak up due to drugs.

    There are family fights bad enough that they join the damned and go to court.

    And IF when the FD were putting the fire out, IF Z were taken roughly there would have to have been some sign, if it were a quick hey Z come here we going for a drive in the Mote Carlo that's a mystery Monte Carlo then maybe she trusted someone enough to sneak out.

    As for the rest that's just a new stone that needs turning and if it ends up at a roadblock or unhelpful, I have hit my limit for today until new news arrives that a Monte Carlo was in or out of the equation.
    The missing car is a mystery. I don't believe anyone is even sure it exists. Law enforcement hasn't mentioned it that I know. It is believed that it was driven by EB at times but LE hasn't confirmed one way or another. I think at this time, in my mind, anything is possible. Someone could have said something to Z to get in the car. As far as the ransom note, Law enforcement has to get evidence to prove the ransom note is connected to Zahra's disappearance and not a threat by either just EB or EB/AB to the boss. EB admitting to writing a ransom note does not necessarily mean she admitted that it was part of Zahra's disapperance. It's like if you admit to speeding but get charged with careless/impudent driving. You thought you were speeding but got charged with another charge. That may have been too long and drawn out answer for this late time where I am. I think everyone really want the truth what has happened to Zahra. I am confident LE has some things to sort out. They have tried very hard to get answers. I am sure they do not want to leave any stones unturned either. There are so many questions and discussions that can be had in Zahra's disappearance. God Bless Her. Well good nite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    Adam Baker told authorities that he panicked after the fire and didn’t immediately check on his daughter.

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/

    Really? When she was missing, he didn't sound panicked on the 911. Not buying it.

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    What a contradiction!..OK, let me make sure I have this straight..he panicked after the fire and didn't immediately check on his daughter..I'll say..waiting 9 hours is definitely NOT immediate..but my question is this..'when he panicked' what the h@ll DID he do?..go hide under the covers?.. make sure his DOG was ok?..well, according to his own words on the 911 call..he and EB went back to sleep (without of course checking on his daughter )...Everyone goes back to sleep when they are *panicked*...duh....what am I thinking?!..
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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    SNIPPED: Two weeks later, on May 23, teenage neighbors took out an arrest warrant on Elisa Baker in connection with an incident related to her making Zahra walk up that hill.

    SNIPPED: “You could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her, so we would call the police,” Corrine said. “We called DSS on her too, but they never did anything.”

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/
    I just read this article... and I'm gonna say something that I rarely say, but:

    What a witch EB is.

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    Just thinking about Zahra wanting a bike and not getting it because EB used her leg issue and learning to run, against her, makes me sad... I can't get that out of my head, tonight. I can remember being that age and riding my big ugly yellow bike around and around, like it was the most awesome thing ever. I so wish Zahra had been given that simple pleasure..


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    Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    Adam Baker told authorities that he panicked after the fire and didn’t immediately check on his daughter.

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/

    Really? When she was missing, he didn't sound panicked on the 911. Not buying it.
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    What a contradiction!..OK, let me make sure I have this straight..he panicked after the fire and didn't immediately check on his daughter..I'll say..waiting 9 hours is definitely NOT immediate..but my question is this..'when he panicked' what the h@ll DID he do?..go hide under the covers?.. make sure his DOG was ok?..well, according to his own words on the 911 call..he and EB went back to sleep (without of course checking on his daughter )...Everyone goes back to sleep when they are *panicked*...duh....what am I thinking?!..


    This right here is keeping me awake tonight. If there was a fire anywhere on my property I would have pulled my kids out of bed and taken them across the street to await fire trucks while I was on the phone. I would want to know my kid is in my sight and away from the fire. Is that too much?

    This father doesn't have just a fire but also a vandalized vehicle with a note inside threatening children. He still did not bother to even check her? How is that possible? It's no wonder a member of LE has publicly stated he does not believe AB.

    IF by some bizarre twist he isn't involved and doesn't know what happened to Z... his utter lack of care and shameful "parenting" will still never leave my mind.
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    I hope everyone had a good Halloween..
    I wish the Grand Jury well...
    I really think that Lisa Dubbs is working out a plead deal...
    I think she had a hand in AB being arrested too...( her client has been arrested for outstanding warrants but yet AB has not.)
    I think that EB had abused Zahra to her death., many days before the stageing.
    I think Zahra was left to die on her mattress.. because the cowards wouldn't call for help because they knew they inflicted the damage or did nothing to stop it..
    I say "they" because they were both in that house..
    They had days to discard of evidence. Possibly enough days to scrub walls, floors, and repaint the room.. and find a top mattress..
    Everything else was a cover up.. maybe a last ditch effort to get money from the boss to help get (dead) Zahra back.....JMO.. and only a theory...
    I wounder if AB's boss was giving them rent, electricity, water as well as use to the Tahoe as needed as part of his pay... and I wonder if Mr. Coffey may have said that he no longer needed AB, and wanted him to move out.. maybe it has something to do with the harshness of the ransom note... "Who's in control now...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MandyLeigh View Post
    This right here is keeping me awake tonight. If there was a fire anywhere on my property I would have pulled my kids out of bed and taken them across the street to await fire trucks while I was on the phone. I would want to know my kid is in my sight and away from the fire. Is that too much?

    This father doesn't have just a fire but also a vandalized vehicle with a note inside threatening children. He still did not bother to even check her? How is that possible? It's no wonder a member of LE has publicly stated he does not believe AB.

    IF by some bizarre twist he isn't involved and doesn't know what happened to Z... his utter lack of care and shameful "parenting" will still never leave my mind.
    I've said from the get-go THAT /\ is what really gave me pause...especially when you add a ransom note in for good measure...Even IF it didn't dawn on AB to check on Zahra immediately after finding the fire and then the note, how dense (no disrespect intended to anyone) would one have to be..to NOT check on her after realizing that the bosses daughter/'the intended victim' was just fine...I mean really..I honestly don't believe that an adult could function in this world if that wasn't a DUH moment for them..

    I had never read where AB said that he panicked and that was the reason he didn't check on her and when I saw your post and read the link..when I read it I was thinking.. dude, that doesn't even make sense...
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