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    OK - Seminole, WhtMale 1561UMOK, 16-30, off I-40, Dec'78 - Jean Vincent

    DoeNet just upgraded this case from HotCase Status, and added images.

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 1561UMOK
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1561umok.html
    NamUs UP Case 4887 https://identifyus.org/cases/4887



    Unidentified White Male

    * The victim was discovered on December 28, 1978 in Seminole County, Oklahoma.
    * Estimated Date of Death: 6 months prior
    * State of Remains: Skeletal.

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated Age: 16-30 years old.
    * Approximate Height and Weight: Unknown.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Red brown hair and unknown eye color.
    * Clothing: Sweater, blue jeans, white socks, jockey undershorts, and rubber soled "Bee Jays" shoes.
    * Dentals: Available. Tooth #1 unerupted; #2 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; #3)small occlusal pit allow restoration; Teeth 4-6 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; Teeth 7-9 are missing apparently from post mortem loss; Teeth 10-12 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; #13 is missing apparently from post mortem loss; Teeth 14-15 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; #16 not fully erupted; #17 unerupted, well covered in the alveolar bone; Teeth 18-20 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; #21 is missing apparently from post mortem loss; Teeth 22-27 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; Teeth 28-29 are missing apparently from post mortem loss; Teeth 30-31 fully developed, fully erupted, unrestored; #32 partially erupted and unrestored.
    * Fingerprints: Not available.
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    The prominent cheekbones, sharp angular jawline, and strong chin remind me of Anthony Ross Allen.

    Anthony Ross Allen
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_anthony.html



    His age is within range, The timeline is close, and he has a connection to McAlester, OK (65 miles from where the remains were found).

    Tony's sister apparently is very active in the search for her brother, and was a member of DoeNetwork. I would think that she has seen this case, even if it was a Hot Case up until now.

    But Tony is not listed as a rule-out in NamUs.
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    Robert Curtis Coe also has a similar facial structure, and fits the timeline and age range.



    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/coe_robert.html

    Austin is nearly 400 miles from Seminole County OK, though.
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    Allen's chin is much longer and pointier than the UID's, isn't it? Or is that an illusion of the camera angle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Allen's chin is much longer and pointier than the UID's, isn't it? Or is that an illusion of the camera angle?
    At first glance, it seems that way, but I've noticed that sometimes with sculpted recons of people with strong jawlines, there's a tendency of the artist to show the jaw flatter and more horizontal near the chin than it appears when the person is alive.

    For example, look at some of the "ID'd Comparisons" in Porchlight for people with strong jawlines:

    Rose Bud Kelly
    http://z13.invisionfree.com/Porchlig...howtopic=17550

    Wilma Nissen
    http://z13.invisionfree.com/Porchlig...howtopic=17438

    Steven Hudson
    http://z13.invisionfree.com/Porchlig...howtopic=17389

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    Question for the experts regarding how to read the dental information on Namus.

    The UID report says

    "3)PRESENT. SMALL OCCLUSAL PIT ALLOW RESTORATION"

    Does this mean he has 1 tooth restored with a filling? It is filled in and marked with an "F". And where is #3?


    Reason I ask is Ronnie Odell (missing from OK 8/24/77) has one false tooth in front that is either silver or gold.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3780dmok.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by masnitram View Post
    Question for the experts regarding how to read the dental information on Namus.

    The UID report says

    "3)PRESENT. SMALL OCCLUSAL PIT ALLOW RESTORATION"

    Does this mean he has 1 tooth restored with a filling? It is filled in and marked with an "F". And where is #3?


    Reason I ask is Ronnie Odell (missing from OK 8/24/77) has one false tooth in front that is either silver or gold.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3780dmok.html
    "Occlusal" refers to the chewing surfaces of the molars.

    "Small Occlusal Pit" means a cavity in the chewing surface of a molar. I am not sure what the "allow restoration" means. This is probably not much help, as cavities and pits aren't normally listed in distinguishing characteristics for MP's.

    #3 is the upper right forward-most molar (i.e., the 3rd tooth from the rear, starting from the upper right wisdom tooth)

    Regarding Ronnie Odell, the term "occlusal" would not be used in the context of a front tooth

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    Thank you Carl; much appreciated! In my limited "free" time at work I was trying...with much frustration...to wrap my head around the dental charts.

    FWIW, I first thought of Anthony Allen ,as well,in regards to the UID. My only big concern with him is the limited window of time that passed between his disappearance and the UID discovery.

    I thought of Jean Vincent who was on his way to New Mexico, from Arizona, while initially leaving Ontario.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3758dmon.html

    IMO the black and white photo of Jean, who is listed as having brown hair, suggests to me that it may have lighter highlights which could be construed as red/auburn or reddish brown.

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    Anthony Allen is on the rule out list now.

    Robert Coe is not on the rule out list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    "Occlusal" refers to the chewing surfaces of the molars.

    "Small Occlusal Pit" means a cavity in the chewing surface of a molar. I am not sure what the "allow restoration" means. This is probably not much help, as cavities and pits aren't normally listed in distinguishing characteristics for MP's.

    #3 is the upper right forward-most molar (i.e., the 3rd tooth from the rear, starting from the upper right wisdom tooth)

    Regarding Ronnie Odell, the term "occlusal" would not be used in the context of a front tooth
    That sounds to me like the cavity was drilled out in preparation for a filling, but the filling wasn't put in. But the only way I can think of for that to happen is if the dentist was the one who caused the guy's death. Or I suppose maybe the filling fell out.

    It seems weird.
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    Although he was found in Seminole County, I am thinking he may be Cherokee or part Cherokee. Prominent cheekbones, jaw line. I only say this because I think I have some kind of karmic link to Cherokees. And I married one. I can be in a room full of people and "know" who is a Cherokee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    Anthony Allen is on the rule out list now.

    Robert Coe is not on the rule out list.
    Jean Vincent has been added, too. I see he was mentioned upthread.

    This is the full list:

    Anthony Allen 1962 Arkansas
    Steve Arrowood 1956 North Carolina
    Steven Chait 1951 New York
    ANDREW EWING 1956 California
    Jay Pringle 1959 Oregon
    JEAN MICHEL VINCENT 1958 Oklahoma
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    That sounds to me like the cavity was drilled out in preparation for a filling, but the filling wasn't put in. But the only way I can think of for that to happen is if the dentist was the one who caused the guy's death. Or I suppose maybe the filling fell out.

    It seems weird.
    Sorry to quote myself, but the edit time is past:

    NAMUS describes it as "#3-small occlusal pit alloy filling" and it's the only filling in the teeth that are present. So it's nothing special after all.
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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12127/17/

    Ronnie Davis is went missing in August of 1977 only an hour away. He has reddish hair as does the Doe. Could the estimated DOD be off somewhat?

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    This Could Be Ronald Owen Kimble

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7130/13/

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...le_ronald.html

    This was already submitted to the Doe Network.
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