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    Opinion Please...

    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    Or Left to right

    AHPHNEAEAKL
    PHNEAHALAKE

    PHNEAHA LAKE
    LAKE PHNEAHA

    Whichever way fits best in the letter puzzle.


    [/center]

    After the sentence I GIVE THEM HELL TO.
    And then

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    HESBATTLELESS

    HES BATTLELESS

    or

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    LESSHEBATTLES

    LESS HE BATTLES

    or

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    HEBATTLESLESS

    HE BATTLES LESS


    And as far as the
    IOSHTATHEIPG

    I am still working on that.
    I made an error.
    There are two
    II not one as i had posted.
    And the E instead of a C has me a little bit confused.
    I will try and solve that whole sentence then re-post as best as i can.

    Will update later.


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    I believe i may have to check the original 340 from gray smith from 79 and check/compare the letters in his box, to the letters in this updated 340 letter box.

    It appears to me, that perhaps some of the letters in this updated 340 letter box contain the wrong letters. Different letters from the original in 79.

    For example.

    IOSHTATHEIPG

    Want to see if the original had a C instead of E
    And i also want to check to see if it had a A
    In the original.

    Can you post the original 340 letter box from gray smith here.
    So i can see and compare the two, and look for the different letters in each box.
    Thank-you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    After the sentence I GIVE THEM HELL TO.
    And then

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    HESBATTLELESS

    HES BATTLELESS

    or

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    LESSHEBATTLES

    LESS HE BATTLES

    or

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    HEBATTLESLESS

    HE BATTLES LESS


    And as far as the
    IOSHTATHEIPG

    I am still working on that.
    I made an error.
    There are two
    II not one as i had posted.
    And the E instead of a C has me a little bit confused.
    I will try and solve that whole sentence then re-post as best as i can.

    Will update later.




    Thinking outside the box
    Could this be like an introduction of someone?
    Someone with the name of HELL/resembles HELL also?
    AKA HELL?

    I GIVE THEM HELL TOO

    BTSALTESEHLSE
    HESLESSBATTLE

    HES LESS BATTLE?
    HES LES BATTLES?

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    Hells Beasts....except there'd be an extra T involved.

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    The original first raw Graysmith translation can be seen here, starting on p. 102:

    http://foia.fbi.gov/zodiac/zodiac5.pdf

    Personally, however, I think the solution I posted here is correct, or more correct. Kite and several other researchers made some minor corrections and improvements.

    The solution I posted here has amazing cryptic words finds, like the diagonal LIST and BOMBS, the backwards GAME and the vertical DUEL, LEASH and BARS.

    Some of what seems like gibberish makes sense when you apply a Caesar Code with 0-3-6-9 shift values. For example, ASK DLA becomes, with a 000 333 application, ASK GOD.

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    Thankyou...

    Quote Originally Posted by AKWILKS View Post
    The original first raw Graysmith translation can be seen here, starting on p. 102:

    http://foia.fbi.gov/zodiac/zodiac5.pdf

    Personally, however, I think the solution I posted here is correct, or more correct. Kite and several other researchers made some minor corrections and improvements.

    The solution I posted here has amazing cryptic words finds, like the diagonal LIST and BOMBS, the backwards GAME and the vertical DUEL, LEASH and BARS.

    Some of what seems like gibberish makes sense when you apply a Caesar Code with 0-3-6-9 shift values. For example, ASK DLA becomes, with a 000 333 application, ASK GOD.
    For your responses you made.

    I just wanted to see if I a could be more exact in the spelling or wording by looking at the two side by side. I wont try using the shift values with the 000 333 application. Ill leave that to you and the other experts on the case. Using your application, can you tell me what
    TNMR would be?

    I am interested in finding out if
    LAKE PHNEAHA
    PHNEAHA LAKE
    Has any meaning to the zodiac case.
    That was a tough one to crack, and i would be surprised if it was gibberish or had no meaning at all.
    I would give that to the FBI people you have been chatting with.

    17 or so?
    There are killings that were done, that the zodiac confessed to.
    But they have never been found!

    THESEFOOLSHALLSEE

    Its either
    THESE FOOLS HALL SEE
    or
    THESE FOOL SHALL SEE

    We are missing an S for it to be

    THESE FOOLS SHALL SEE.

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    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
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    It is fairly easy to do a Caesar Code shift for 0-3-6-9.

    So you said TMNR.

    Take the T, and look at the letters 3, 6 and 9 spaces ahead and behind it.

    So it would be K..N..Q..T..W..Z..C

    See? Just do that for each letter.

    Zodiac is confirmed to have killed 5, and suspected by police for a total of up to 11. Zodiac himself claimed credit for 37 murders by 1974, and Robert Graysmith identified 49 in which he considered him a suspect.

    Not sure about the Lake clue. Would have to look at a California map, or list of California - Nevada - West Coast lakes maybe. But I agree with you there is likely something there, I will have to study that further. Could it be HAPPEN LAKE? The words SALT also appear in the solution.

    I think Zodiac "double used" the "S", so that the 8th line reads as:

    THESE FOOLSHALL SEE

    But it means:

    THESE FOOLS SHALL SEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKWILKS View Post
    It is fairly easy to do a Caesar Code shift for 0-3-6-9.

    So you said TMNR.

    Take the T, and look at the letters 3, 6 and 9 spaces ahead and behind it.

    So it would be K..N..Q..T..W..Z..C

    See? Just do that for each letter.

    Zodiac is confirmed to have killed 5, and suspected by police for a total of up to 11. Zodiac himself claimed credit for 37 murders by 1974, and Robert Graysmith identified 49 in which he considered him a suspect.

    Not sure about the Lake clue. Would have to look at a California map, or list of California - Nevada - West Coast lakes maybe. But I agree with you there is likely something there, I will have to study that further. Could it be HAPPEN LAKE? The words SALT also appear in the solution.

    I think Zodiac "double used" the "S", so that the 8th line reads as:

    THESE FOOLSHALL SEE

    But it means:

    THESE FOOLS SHALL SEE
    AHPHNEAEAKL
    PHNEAHALAKE

    I am as 100 percent certain, as anyone could be, that it is PHNEAHA LAKE

    14 lines down
    7 lines up from the bottom.
    21? a solstice perhaps date?


    :+:Anneliese Michel:+:

    [21 September 19521 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    AHPHNEAEAKL
    PHNEAHALAKE

    I am as 100 percent certain, as anyone could be, that it is PHNEAHA LAKE

    14 lines down
    7 lines up from the bottom.
    21? a solstice perhaps date?



    7 rows down
    11 columns over


    SHBLLEI
    BELLISH
    or
    SHBLLEI
    HIBELLS

    HI BELLS

    Melvin Belli

    Are we to assume, that this last name is just a coincidence?
    Or could it had been a personal statement to Melvin Belli as in

    Bellish
    or
    Hi Bells
    These fools shall see?

    If zodiac did-not know about this person, until after he sent the 340. i would say it was just a coincidence.

    If he knew of this man, BEFORE sending the 340. Then i would guess, speculate that perhaps that the next sentence was for Mr. Belli.

    Last edited by :+:MrTT:+:; 02-19-2011 at 05:36 PM.

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    [21 September 19521 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:




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    some words...

    I am going to stop trying to spell words correctly.
    i see from searching the zodiac may or may not spell a word correctly even though it would sound the same if it was correctly spelled. So i am just going to post words and or sentences and let you decide if it is the same kind of writing known to be associated with the Zodiac.

    I will do this quickly.
    And update later perhaps.
    FIRST LINE
    HERCEANB
    HERB CAEN

    FIRST LINE SECOND LINE
    I GIVE THEM HELL TOO
    2 LINES DOWN
    BTSALTE
    BATTLES
    BATTLESS

    4LINES DOWN
    SEE A NAME

    6 LINES DOWN
    EMRNPAOD
    PARDON ME
    ME PARDON

    7 LINES DOWN
    ALSTB
    BLAST

    7 LINES DOWN
    BLLEI
    BELLI

    8 LINES DOWN
    THESEFOOLSHALLSEE
    9 LINES DOWN
    ILKLER
    KILLER

    12 13 LINES DOWN
    ARFIEATAILLLLP
    LAESS
    I FEAR A TAILLLL PLEASS...

    14 LINES DOWN
    AHPHNEAEAKL
    PHNEAHA LAKE

    15LINES DOWN
    BALLL
    BALLL
    BALLLS
    SEAECBU
    BECAUSE
    EADL
    LEAD
    DEAL
    INCLUDING THE I ON THE NEXT LINE.
    DIAL
    I DEAL
    I LEAD
    SLSVEESE
    SLEEVESS
    SLEEVE

    16LINES DOWN
    STOENL
    STOLEN
    EITHE
    EITHER
    I STOLEN THERE WILL
    THEIR STOLEN WLL
    THERE WILL I STOLEN
    u can include the R from the next line first column to get THERE or THEIR.

    18 LINES DOWN
    IOSHTATHE
    IPG
    I SHOT THE PIG
    THAT PIG TOSCHI

    20 LINES DOWN (LAST)
    CITHHEGSL
    HITCHLEGS
    HITCH LEGS
    LEGS HITCH

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    :+:Anneliese Michel:+:

    [21 September 19521 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:





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    Good work! Lots of clues and words to ponder.

    A yahoo search for LAKE PHNEAHA revealed nothing, but asked me if I meant PH LAKE. I searched that and it gave me PYRAMID LAKE, NEVADA. Zodiac is suspected in the murder of South Lake Tahoe, Nevada resident Donna Lass, and attacked Shepherd and Hartnell at Lake Berryessa, CA.

    LAKE PHNEAHA

    LAKE PYRAMID

    Many other possible clues and word finds I will have to study...

    But BELLI stands out. Only thing is we might expect to see "Melvin", or "Attorney" or "lawyer" near it. But the BELLI part seems pretty clear, and he was connected to the case.

    Melvin Bello was a famous SF attorney. The Zodiac, or more likely someone pretending to be him, called a local show asking to speak to him.

    But the real Zodiac sent in a bit of Paul Stine's bloody shirt with this letter to the attorney.







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    Quote Originally Posted by AKWILKS View Post
    Good work! Lots of clues and words to ponder.

    A yahoo search for LAKE PHNEAHA revealed nothing, but asked me if I meant PH LAKE. I searched that and it gave me PYRAMID LAKE, NEVADA. Zodiac is suspected in the murder of South Lake Tahoe, Nevada resident Donna Lass, and attacked Shepherd and Hartnell at Lake Berryessa, CA.

    LAKE PHNEAHA

    LAKE PYRAMID

    Many other possible clues and word finds I will have to study...

    But BELLI stands out. Only thing is we might expect to see "Melvin", or "Attorney" or "lawyer" near it. But the BELLI part seems pretty clear, and he was connected to the case.

    Melvin Bello was a famous SF attorney. The Zodiac, or more likely someone pretending to be him, called a local show asking to speak to him.

    But the real Zodiac sent in a bit of Paul Stine's bloody shirt with this letter to the attorney.






    I will keep searching about that lake. I know i was reading about it last night or so with that spelling i gave. But now, when i want to see it again, i cannot locate it....I leave it be for now.

    quick statements.

    11 lines down

    ULRAA

    LAURA

    Still working on the rest of that line.

    And i have hi-lighted some names i have found.

    Mostly diagonal and spells word forward or backwards.

    I want to post them, to see if any rings a bell.


    MEL
    POE
    MIA
    FAIL
    TOES
    LOEL
    SPIL,LIPS
    PEEL LEEP
    TASE
    PALL,PAL LAP
    NEIL,LIEN
    LEAH
    LEE
    KATE
    NATE
    SLOP
    BETH
    ALAN


    LASS
    Zodiac is suspected in the murder of South Lake Tahoe, Nevada resident Donna Lass,
    13 LINES DOWN
    7COLUMNS OVER FROM THE LEFT
    N
    E
    I
    L
    A
    S
    S
    E
    S
    A
    G
    I see other words here, though not sure of a connection
    Gases lass alien neil gasess lien lasses

    Mel is located first line last column.
    MEL spelled diagonally.

    I am trying not to force things, and just let them appear naturally. Just an FYI.
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    Perhaps this site (or others like it on the net can help you descrable words) http://www.unscramble.net/modules.php?name=Unscramble
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    2 lines down
    7 columns over

    OBTSALTESEHLSE
    LETSSBOTHSEELA

    LETSS BOTH SEE LA

    I am going to wait a few days before commenting again on this
    thread, to see if anything develops overtime.

    Forgot to add

    TNMR

    Is a Acronym for
    Texas New Mexico Rail Road?
    And is rarely used these days.

    Last edited by :+:MrTT:+:; 02-20-2011 at 06:16 PM.

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    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
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    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:




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    Maybe...

    ...
    4 lines down
    9 columns over

    BWEOLLRSE
    BELLOWERS

    Last line (Bottom)
    11 Columns over

    OMAISNL
    OSMANLI

    Last edited by :+:MrTT:+:; 02-21-2011 at 10:36 PM.

    :+:Anneliese Michel:+:

    [21 September 19521 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:




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