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    I could be wrong though...

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    Chicago cop spends restless hours on trail of notorious Zodiac killer
    Now he believes he has solved 40-year-old cryptogram
    April 16, 2011|By Jeremy Gorner, Tribune reporter

    Even on his days off from working overnights for the Chicago police, John Lewison usually stayed up through the night and slept during the day.

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    And while he's not yet ready to go public with his solution, he believes he has found the bomb location as well as the killer's initials in that mind-bending stew of symbols. He plans to send it to the FBI, he said, but first wants to have it looked over by local cryptography experts.

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    Undoubtedly, the odds of Lewison's work breaking new ground in the Zodiac case are fairly slim. None that has been submitted to Olson's unit has ever yielded significant developments in the investigation, he said.

    Nonetheless, Lewison is not discouraged. As a law enforcement officer, he said, he feels obligated to see if his decoding efforts pay off.

    "My feeling is if I found something if it has meaning, I'd like it to be used," he said.
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    The Beatles The Fool on the Hill?

    I looked up the lyrics-they are disturbing. Here are some excerpts-

    Day after day,
    Alone on a hill,
    The man with a foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.
    But nobody wants to know him,
    They can see that he's just a fool,
    And he never gives an answer,

    But the fool on the hill,
    sees the sun going down,
    And the eyes in his head,
    see the world spinning 'round.

    Well on the way,
    Head in a cloud,
    The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
    But nobody ever hears him,
    or the sound he appears to make,
    and he never seems to notice.

    And nobody seems to like him,
    they can tell what he wants to do.
    and he never show his feelings.

    And he never listens to them,
    he knows that they're the fools
    They don't like him.

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    I am replying to this post, but am quoting a passage from a post that you made on the first page.

    "We also see THEO, which is Greek for GOD, and on a vertical downward under the "M" in BOMBS we see DEO, which is Latin for GOD."

    Theo and Deo do mean "God" in greek and Latin, but the forms of the words have a different meaning in translation. I am not familiar with Classical Greek, but I believe the Nominative singular of God is Theos. In Latin, the nominative singular of God is Deus. It is a second declension masculine noun. The forms in sentence structure that it would take if it were the word "Deo" would be dative singular, indicating its usage as an indirect object...example: I drove God to the store, where God would be the subjected to the action of the verb. Or deo used as an singular ablative, which would indicate the word being used in conjunction with some sort of preposition, example: I drove to the store with God. However, there are about 15 different forms that an ablative could take.

    I responded to this particular post because with all of the grammatical errors in his letter, spellings and what not, I do not see how this killer, if he did write this letter, would be so smart as to use classical Latin in an encrypted code but mispell and use poor grammar in his letter. If it is in intentional, how do you rationalize it?

    I enjoyed your post.

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    Thank you very much! I am glad you find it interesting.

    First to your question. Many think that the Zodiac mis-spelled words are intentional, an attempted misdirection on his part. Zodiac spelled many complex words correctly, like "ammonium nitrate", "fertilizer", "system" and many others. Yet he he also gave us "cid" for "kid" and many other wrongly spelled easy words. It seems an attempt to make detectives think he is uneducated. Remember also that Zodiac devised codes that the FBI and the military failed to break.

    Ted Kaczynski used a similar misdirection as the Unabomber. He sent a letter to a prior victim Prof. Gerlernter, who had written in a book that 'anyone with a college degree can learn computers'. Kaczynski wrote him as the Unabomber and said (from memory) 'what about the rest of us? I suppose those wothout degrees don't coun't'. Ted recorded in his journal that this would make investigators think the Unabomber did not have a college degree - in fact Ted had a degree from Harvard and a PHD from Michigan, but the FBI profile said the Unabomber was likely an angry and undeducated airline mechanic.

    Thank you for your information on "THEO" and "DEO". I personally think the most likely explanation for their appearance in the code is that "THEO" is the first four letters in the name "THEODORE", while "DEOR" has the last four. But in fairness I thought I should note that "THEO" is Greek for GOD and "DEO" Latin for GOD. I also thought it could be a double play, i.e., getting his name in there (to satisfy his ego) but also with a valid alternate explanation (God theme obscures true meaning). Your information puts a slightly different spin on it, so I will have to research that issue some more.

    Is it not true that in a word like THEOLOGY, the prefix THEO means God or Diety? And while the Greeks believed in multiple Gods, assuming monotheism, would THEO be a rough translation as GOD?

    Thanks again for the information.

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    I am not familiar at all with Greek...so to address your question...it would be greek to me, ha ha. Theo does mean god, but what I probably should have said is that the ending on the word will give you a different translation of it, as to how it is used in a sentence. So, while the word does mean God, you would know more about what the person is trying to say if you knew the endings of the words. You could translate better, I suppose.

    These are the possible endings when you decline the noun Deus. The root of the word is de-, and you add the ending from there to get how it would be translated in a Latin sentence.

    Nom. deus di (dei)
    Voc. deus di (dei)
    Acc. deum deos
    Gen. dei deorum (deum)
    Dat. deo dis (deis)
    Abl. deo dis (deis

    You have to memorize two parts of the word to get how to add the various endings. Deus, dei, masculine, second declension. You take i of of dei and get the root of the noun and add the various endings. This is only true for this word as there are some nouns that are irregular and would be done differently.

    Nominative is when the word is the subject of the sentence. So if you look at the chart about Deus would be the subject singular in a sentence. God is good. Di or Dei is nominative plural--The Gods are good.

    Vocative singular is Deus, and this case is when you are talking or addressing someone, to God. God, why did you do this to me? or Di/Dei again plural vocative, Gods!! Why did you do this to me!?

    Genetive case refers to possession, or owning something. So dei, of the God's, or deorum/deum is of the (many) Gods'.

    Anyway, accusative would be when it is used as a direct object and I already explained about dative and ablative.

    I am going to look over your attachments and see if anything sticks out. Sorry for the long explanation but it may help and it is some basic knowledge about Latin. It may help you see something in the future that you had not before.

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    Another possibility to something not so cryptic.

    I had previously thought of an idea of what was in the 340 text. I took some time and went through it several times. The only one that actually got message that can be verified is -1, 1, +1. The assumption was that he only used the alphabet and hid the letters by filling in a area. Also that the "Z" could be an "N". The backwards "K". all of them were "T".
    Of the combinations that can be assembled using just 3 letters, it was simplified to get what was written.

    Using the same format on the name letter is says "A FAN OK PENSMAN"

    "PEN" is also referenced in the 340 text.

    It also works on the directions to the bomb. I'm not familiar with the map and the reference is obscure but
    "CATINO RT AMEA NORTH" "TO FEUSAG DELPOMA". Again using the above, someone more familiar will find the correct spelling.

    The 340 is completed the same way, with no assumptions of any letter, except the backward "K".

    I have a question to who the 340 letter was sent to. Was it to the editor or to a specific person? I can't find any reference to exactly whom. "JOE" is referenced in the 340 several times.

    Looking logically at the code, there are too many cryptic solvers out there. This guy used a replacement text for the other letters. This one looks to be mainly just the same.

    It's not on the same theme as the other letters. Just like a personal letter to "JOE"

    Using this context, I would like to verify my reading of the 340.

    Curtis

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    AKWILKS,
    I'm not wanting a show down,but, using the 340 and what and how to I mentioned to work out the meaning, one phrase came out "I CLUTZ FLIP MAP". I thought that was out of context until I worked the entire text. I can verify, and others the same. It is really a personal message to the editor and one line, referenced from the line above it says "-BYICMTUZGWOOL_OHJ

    This is a bogus text but not the, or what was written text. The "O" is a zodiac symbol which includes an "O" and "T" amdand "X".
    For those whom may need a help up....
    do the -1 1 and +1 to this
    If if comes out simlar something about a "OK CLUB IT NOZ DEBT", your close.

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    Massachusetts Man Says He's Cracked Zodiac Killer Code
    By Brandon Schillemat
    Milbrae Patch, July 21, 2011, 10:10 AM EST

    Corey Starliper believes he has solved the 41-year-old "340" cipher and has identified the legendary serial killer who terrorized northern California.

    [...]

    After the decryption of the first code, Zodiac sent many more communications to law enforcement and the media, including his most famous: a 340-character cipher, mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle, according to zodiackillerfacts.com. To this day, the cipher has not been completely cracked.

    Starliper, however, believes he has found the solution to that code.

    [...]

    Starliper split his work into two sessions of 6 hours and 3 hours. When he was done, he had decoded the following text:

    KILL/SLF/DR/HELP/ME/KILL/MYSELF/GAS/CHAMBER/AEIOUR/DAYS/QUESTIONSABLE/EVERYY/WAKING/MOMENT/IM/ALIVE/
    MY/PRIDE/LOST/I/CANT/GO/ON/LIVING/IN/THIS/WAY/KILLING/PEOPLE/I/HAV/KILLD/SO/MANY/PEOPLE/CANT/HELP/MYSELF/
    IM/SO/ANGRY/I/COULD/DO/MY/THING/IM/ALONE/IN/THIS/WORLD/MY/WHOLE/LIFE/FUL/O/LIES/
    IM/UNABLE/TO/STOP/BY/THE/TIME/YOU/SOLVE/THIS/I/WILL/HAV/KILLD/ELEVEN/PEOPLE/
    PLEASE/HELP/ME/STOP/KILLING/PEOPLE/PLEASE/MY/NAME/IS/LEIGH/ALLEN/
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    Shadow..Good catch, well worth reading.
    Crypto guys are not dumb. It has to be undeniable. If someone pops off and says "Not Valid", I think that's enough. But it looks like he almost has it.
    I haven't seen the movie, not interested, because I started looking at this, not to be biased one way or the other, and until recently, I now know who Greysmith is, no disrespect.
    I've looked at this several ways, working # 7 now.
    If anyone could tell me if, either by the movie or from a reference, if Stein was missing an eye, then I believe #6 is the closest. Also, I have a reference in the code to a pen clew with the mints.


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    my posts 48 50...........What happened to the information i had in each.
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    Question in those cryptograms?

    Quote Originally Posted by AKWILKS View Post
    Thank you very much! I am glad you find it interesting.

    First to your question. Many think that the Zodiac mis-spelled words are intentional, an attempted misdirection on his part. Zodiac spelled many complex words correctly, like "ammonium nitrate", "fertilizer", "system" and many others. Yet he he also gave us "cid" for "kid" and many other wrongly spelled easy words. It seems an attempt to make detectives think he is uneducated. Remember also that Zodiac devised codes that the FBI and the military failed to break.

    Ted Kaczynski used a similar misdirection as the Unabomber. He sent a letter to a prior victim Prof. Gerlernter, who had written in a book that 'anyone with a college degree can learn computers'. Kaczynski wrote him as the Unabomber and said (from memory) 'what about the rest of us? I suppose those wothout degrees don't coun't'. Ted recorded in his journal that this would make investigators think the Unabomber did not have a college degree - in fact Ted had a degree from Harvard and a PHD from Michigan, but the FBI profile said the Unabomber was likely an angry and undeducated airline mechanic.

    Thank you for your information on "THEO" and "DEO". I personally think the most likely explanation for their appearance in the code is that "THEO" is the first four letters in the name "THEODORE", while "DEOR" has the last four. But in fairness I thought I should note that "THEO" is Greek for GOD and "DEO" Latin for GOD. I also thought it could be a double play, i.e., getting his name in there (to satisfy his ego) but also with a valid alternate explanation (God theme obscures true meaning). Your information puts a slightly different spin on it, so I will have to research that issue some more.

    Is it not true that in a word like THEOLOGY, the prefix THEO means God or Diety? And while the Greeks believed in multiple Gods, assuming monotheism, would THEO be a rough translation as GOD?

    Thanks again for the information.

    In the cryptograms and Cipher blocks
    a pattern of 3( LLL = 777)
    also the backwards E makes a 3 also he uses _ in spots what do you think that means?
    Also if the letters are faced toward a mirror the backwards letters some do look like a number sequence.
    Could it be his SS number/
    was it his phone number/
    it means something...in some spots there are 4 L's +7777 which equals
    28,
    what are the birthdays of the so-far Suspects?
    Are any birthdates with a 28?
    7's ?
    3's?

    anyone have those suspect's actual birthdates or ages at the time of these crimes?
    the numbers mean something and are clues for sure.




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    Hey this is pretty cool stuff although midas well be in french as I havn't a clue but none the less it's still intriging ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by websurfer View Post
    In the cryptograms and Cipher blocks
    a pattern of 3( LLL = 777)
    also the backwards E makes a 3 also he uses _ in spots what do you think that means?
    Also if the letters are faced toward a mirror the backwards letters some do look like a number sequence.
    Could it be his SS number/
    was it his phone number/
    it means something...in some spots there are 4 L's +7777 which equals
    28,
    what are the birthdays of the so-far Suspects?
    Are any birthdates with a 28?
    7's ?
    3's?

    anyone have those suspect's actual birthdates or ages at the time of these crimes?
    the numbers mean something and are clues for sure.
    You can search SS numbers online, might be worth trying a few if you can work 'em out. I also noted the word 'lass' in the cryptogram, might refer to Donna Lass a possible victim.

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    This may be a coincidence but 3/6/69 was the day Ruth Eisemann Schier was arrested for her part in the kidnapping of Barbara Jane Mackle. Mackle had been buried alive in this and later wrote the book "83 Hours Till Dawn".

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