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    Cause of Death and Time of Death *MERGED* (Warning: Contains Graphic Content!)

    I believe that the talented people here can help to bring justice for this precious little girl. I have seen incredible sleuthing, valuable information from experts in the field and laypeople alike. While our hearts are breaking that we believe she has passed, our common goal unites us.

    While we are waiting for final confirmation that the remains found are indeed Zahra's, I have hesitated to start this thread as I do not wish to be disrespectful to anyone - especially Zahra or her family. Sadly, I do not believe that there is any chance we will find Zahra alive at this point, and am hoping to begin our focus on putting pieces together that might have led up to her demise.

    If Mods feel this is an inappropriate thread at this time, my sincerest apologies and feel free to delete. I am only hoping to continue our ferverent focus and sleuthing - on a topic that is looking to be highly relevant. Please know, I mean NO disrespect in opening this thread.
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    i've been thinking the same thoughts. but i don't believe we can do anything but wag. we do not know what evidence the body may reveal. we do not know what evidence is already collected, other than area's in the home and what was revealed on the first search warrant. we can make educated guesses from this info and from statements made by people interviewed in msm, but those are not depositions and are not really credible.

    now its just wait and see.

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    They desecrated the body, most likely to cover up for desecrating the body.

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    Sadly, Fox news is now announcing that the remains are indeed Zahra's.

    The human remains found in North Carolina Wednesday were confirmed to be those of missing Australian 10-year-old Zahra Baker, WCNC-TV reported Friday, citing a source close to the investigation.

    Authorities discovered a bone last week that may be connected to Zahra’s case.

    snipped from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,602162,00.html

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    I have a few theories in mind about what might have led to Zahra's death. Of course there are theories of abuse, both physical and sexual. I am more curious about the effects of Neglect on Zahra. Essentially, withholding from the child the very things they need to thrive and grow. For Zahra, we know she needed a prosthetic leg, crutches, and continual medical monitoring for her amputation - as well as ensuring her cancer didn't return.

    We have a WS member here who has invaluable first hand information about amputees and prosthesis. I am hoping Allusonz will again post about how often a child needs to have checkups and adjustments, etc on their prosthetic leg.

    What would be the consequences of an ill fitting prosthesis? I am wondering if wounds - left untreated could result in infection and a systemic response.

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    I imagine the mattress (assuming they have that) will tell much.
    And what DID ever happen with the mattress situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wenwe4 View Post

    What would be the consequences of an ill fitting prosthesis? I am wondering if wounds - left untreated could result in infection and a systemic response.

    I remember her posting about that. She said (oy, forgive my lack of medical terminology) that sepsis could very easily set in from one of these stump sores from prosthesis -- even when they are well-fitted. I have a friend who has gotten them on both her leg stumps and she said they are extremely painful and that she cannot put on her legs until they are better. If Zahra got those (chances are high she did) and was forced to keep putting on that leg, the sepsis could have set in and poisoned her whole system.

    It's my guess that her death was a combination of neglect and abuse (of course, neglect IS a form of abuse). I wonder how long it will be before we will find out the condition the remains are in --- if they show trauma pre-death or post-death, etc.

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    I am betting that the COD was physical abuse and/or medical neglect. I found it very telling that LE had to get confirmation from Australia regarding Zahra's prosthetic. IMO that indicates she was never fitted or received one stateside. That in and of itself to me would constitute medical neglect. I hate to think she suffered long. I would rather think her death was mercifully quick. Unfortunately I do not think that will turn out to be the case.

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    I was asking about the black eye picture this morning and someone linked me to the info. Back in August when that was taken Zahra didn't look good. I wasn't just looking at the black eye but her appearance as a whole. Her face looked swollen. Could her cancer have come back and no one knew because she was never taken to a doctor? My Mom walked around for 2 years with Lung cancer and didn't know it until she got really sick and went in to the ER where they informed her of the Stage 4 cancer and gave her 6 months.
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    IMO, I believe the COD was a final and extremely violent physical beating that resulted in Zahra's immediate death. I do believe physical, psychological and emotional abuse and neglect had been ongoing and escalating since Z's arrival in the US. However, I'm thinking that COD was a final release of extreme rage, anger and physical violence upon Zahra in the form of a vicious, rage-fueled life-ending beating.


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    I know that the cancer recurrence specuation has come up at several points in this case. I would give that idea more consideration if it weren't for the furniture store saleswoman who saw Zahra on September 25th (I believe don't really want to have to fetch link but I will). There was no mention of Zahra looking terribly ill or unwell. If I recall correctly, the woman actually spoke briefly with Zahra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    I know that the cancer recurrence specuation has come up at several points in this case. I would give that idea more consideration if it weren't for the furniture store saleswoman who saw Zahra on September 25th (I believe don't really want to have to fetch link but I will). There was no mention of Zahra looking terribly ill or unwell. If I recall correctly, the woman actually spoke briefly with Zahra.
    This is the part that keeps stumping me too. IIRC the woman even stated how good Zahra looked when she saw her.

    I am in total agreement with Sunset about the August pic. She just looks so bad, not because of her eye, but in general. To me, she is almost unrecognizable as Zahra. I would think she was possibly ill with cancer again if not for the account of the furniture store woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlit View Post
    This is the part that keeps stumping me too. IIRC the woman even stated how good Zahra looked when she saw her.

    I am in total agreement with Sunset about the August pic. She just looks so bad, not because of her eye, but in general. To me, she is almost unrecognizable as Zahra. I would think she was possibly ill with cancer again if not for the account of the furniture store woman.
    As far as Zahra's appearance, didn't she attend school? Or was she home schooled? Wouldn't a teacher have noticed something if she did attend school.

    Also didn't one of the letters sent from jail by her stepmother say that she (stepmother) always wanted to be a vampire? Has there been any speculation that some kind of satanic ritual took place or maybe even took place on a regular basis? I know that is far out, but I also know it does happen. Just something I thought of last night. tia

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    From the very beginning of this case, I suspected medical neglect. I think EB and AB were afraid of getting in trouble for not providing the kind of medical care Zahra needed and decided that disposing of her was the best idea. Of course, I feel drugs may have played a role as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    As far as Zahra's appearance, didn't she attend school? Or was she home schooled? Wouldn't a teacher have noticed something if she did attend school.

    Also didn't one of the letters sent from jail by her stepmother say that she (stepmother) always wanted to be a vampire? Has there been any speculation that some kind of satanic ritual took place or maybe even took place on a regular basis? I know that is far out, but I also know it does happen. Just something I thought of last night. tia
    What we do know is that Zahra attended school through June (ish) 2010. She was attending school @ the time of the hearing aides video, because the school was involved with assisting her to obtain these (from what I remember). We know that CPS has been involved with the family previously (from what has been reported by family and friends - no confirmation from CPS).

    I believe AB & EB wanted CPS out of their lives, so they moved, told the previous school they were "homeschooling" and never enrolled her in any education program from their on. I think they probably moved - leaving no forwarding address (due to the bounced checks, CPS, and bill collectors on their tail). Because Zahra never showed up to school this school year in the fall, and the neighbors at the home said they never knew a child lived there, AB & EB were "motivated" to keep Zahra away from anyone who might report them to CPS for abuse or neglect.

    Certainly, if it hadn't been done before - someone would notice bruises, ill fitting leg, sores, sickly child, etc. It could be that Zahra wasn't let out at all except for the furniture store incident - just to avoid anyone who might look at a disabled child more closely.

    One more thought, children with disabilities are at a much higher risk of abuse and/or neglect.

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