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    No intruder?

    To those who believe there was without question no intruder, I have some questions:
    1. Where is the rest of the cord?
    2. Where is the rest of the tape?
    3. What hit JBR in the head?
    4. Why was the paintbrush broken at both ends?
    5. Why was the ransom note reported to have been found on the back staircase steps?
    6. How did an unknown male deposit his DNA inside JBR's underpants?
    7. How did the same unknown male deposit his skin cells on JBR's legging waistband? (credit this discovery to Mary Lacy)
    8. Why did BPD fail to link JR to pornography?
    9. Why did BPD fail to link PR to the ransom note?
    10. Why did BPD fail to link PR or JR to abuse?
    11. Why did BPD fail to link PR or JR to crime scene DNA?
    12. Why did the DA's hired detective believe an intruder did it?
    13. Why did the FBI say that JBR had no signs of abuse?
    14. Why did JBR's own pediatrician say JBR had no signs of abuse?
    15. Why have three DA's not prosecuted?
    16. Why did the Grand Jury not indict?
    17. Why did the US Secret Service state that PR didn't write the note?
    18. What does SBTC stand for?
    19. What does Victory! mean?
    20. What was the motive?
    21. Why is mainstream media reporting intruder?
    22. Why threaten to behead a six year old?
    23. Isn't that just a little overboard?
    Please feel free to answer "I dont know."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    To those who believe there was without question no intruder, I have some questions:

    Where is the rest of the cord?
    Where is the rest of the tape?
    Assuming there WAS any, any number of possibilities.

    What hit JBR in the head?
    How do we know she didn't hit something WITH her head? But Werner Spitz made a solid argument about the flashlight.

    How did an unknown male deposit his DNA inside JBR's underpants?
    How did the same unknown male deposit his skin cells on JBR's legging waistband? (credit this discovery to Mary Lacy)
    JB could have easily rubbed it onto herself. That's the problem with modern DNA testing: the more sensitive it gets, the more likely it is to pick up artifacts. Don't take my word for it, either.

    Why did BPD fail to link JR to pornography?
    Who says there was any?

    Why did BPD fail to link PR to the ransom note?
    I'm not aware that they DID fail.

    Why did BPD fail to link PR or JR to abuse?
    No living witness.

    Why did BPD fail to link PR or JR to crime scene DNA?
    Who says there was a link?

    Why did the BPD detective who was assigned to the case believe an intruder did it?
    I didn't know there was one.

    Why did the FBI say that JBR had no signs of abuse?
    Funny thing for you to mention the FBI, HOTYH. I'm very interested in your thoughts about some of the other things they had to say.

    Why did JBR's own pediatrician say JBR had no signs of abuse?
    Because he didn't LOOK. We established that a long time ago.

    Why have three DA's not prosecuted?
    Are you kidding? Answering that would take an entire thread.

    Why did the Grand Jury not indict?
    We've been over that before. According to various people on both sides, they were dismissed before they COULD indict.

    Why did the US Secret Service state that PR didn't write the note?
    I wasn't aware that the US Secret Service HAD said that. ONE of their examiners made a preliminary analysis using incomplete material. The CBI man was pretty steamed when he heard about it.

    Let me ask you: Why did the Justice Department and FBI say she did? (To use your logic.)

    What does SBTC stand for?
    No idea.

    What was the motive?
    We can only speculate.

    Why threaten to behead a six year old?
    Because it SOUNDS scary.

    Isn't that just a little overboard?
    I think that was the idea.

    Please feel free to answer "I dont know."
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    If you don't truly know, then please answer "I don't know". The purpose is to show what is truly not known, not to theorize.


    Example:
    Q: Why threaten to behead a six year old?
    A: Because it sounds scary.

    This is a guess. A good guess, but a guess nevertheless.

    Unless you KNOW for a FACT that this is why the ransom note author threatened to behead a six year old, then the appropriate answer is "I dont know." There's not very many people who 'know' why they threatened to behead.

    Q: How did an unknown male deposit his DNA inside JBR's underpants?
    A: She did it to herself.

    This isn't an answer. It doesn't answer how the unknown male deposited his DNA, and it isnt a known fact that JBR did it to herself. The appropriate answer is "I dont know."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    If you don't truly know, then please answer "I don't know". The purpose is to show what is truly not known, not to theorize.
    It's a little late to get particular now, HOTYH. But, fair is fair.

    Example:
    Q: Why threaten to behead a six year old?
    A: Because it sounds scary.

    This is a guess. A good guess, but a guess nevertheless.
    Well, it's not just ME making that assertion.

    Unless you KNOW for a FACT that this is why the ransom note author threatened to behead a six year old, then the appropriate answer is "I dont know." There's not very many people who 'know' why they threatened to behead.
    Okay, HOTYH. You win. I'm backing off.

    Q: How did an unknown male deposit his DNA inside JBR's underpants?
    A: She did it to herself.

    This isn't an answer. It doesn't answer how the unknown male deposited his DNA, and it isnt a known fact that JBR did it to herself. The appropriate answer is "I dont know."
    It's not a known fact that an unknown male deposited it the way you suggest, either. But for the sake of peaceful discussion, I'll concede the point.
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    If you want facts instead of theories this case would be solved HOTYH,
    at least Super Dave is making sense with his responses instead of saying "I don't know"
    Nobody knows.We're all guessing.Some just make more sense than others.

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    Seriously HOTYH... all that you can do is speculate, same as us. Simply because we are RDI's doesn't mean that we have to have more definitive answers than you do. Our speculations are made with thought and reason, but there isn't one of those questions we can answer definitively. Can you?
    We can offer theories to support those speculations...but you aren't allowing room for that.

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    And yet... how did the intruder manage to break in through the basement window and not disturb the unbroken spider web??? How did John's shirt fibers get in JB's unwashed panties? What appropriate reason is there for that???
    Why did John and Patsy both contaminate the body by handling/falling all over it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by claudicici View Post
    If you want facts instead of theories this case would be solved HOTYH,
    at least Super Dave is making sense with his responses instead of saying "I don't know"
    Nobody knows.We're all guessing.Some just make more sense than others.
    Quote Originally Posted by claudicici View Post
    Nobody knows.We're all guessing.
    Thank you, you're the best.

    There's another poster who claimed to know there was no intruder. I wanted to show that there's a boatload of important stuff we dont know. Its a lot to not know and still claim RDI as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    Seriously HOTYH... all that you can do is speculate, same as us. Simply because we are RDI's doesn't mean that we have to have more definitive answers than you do. Our speculations are made with thought and reason, but there isn't one of those questions we can answer definitively. Can you?
    We can offer theories to support those speculations...but you aren't allowing room for that.
    Sure I am. Answer "I dont know but maybe..." or dont answer at all. It is simply meant to show just how much we dont truly know, and how we are therefore in no position to conclude RDI or what happened.

    Here's some more:

    Q: How did JBR move from her bed to the basement?
    Q: Was she ever in her bed?
    Q: What exactly happened in the basement?
    Q: What happened between 11 PM and 5 AM?
    Q: When was the ransom note written?
    Q: Who wrote it?
    Q: Did they want money?
    Q: Did they want sexual gratification?
    Q: Who owns the DNA?
    Q: Who owns the cord?
    Q: Who owns the tape?
    Q: Who owns the object that struck JBR in the head?
    Q: Where is the missing piece?

    Technically we are in a position to conclude IDI if and only if the DNA testing is valid. It would then be smoking gun evidence of an intruder.

    If the DNA testing is valid then innocent explanation for the DNA is truly remote AND the DNA has a definite appearance of being crime-related. Its not my fault if RDI doesn't accept this. Apparently mainstream media has.

    Testing the waistband for DNA was a standard approach and produced a positive result. The personnel at the lab probably believed they made an important breakthrough. They did and the event was reflected in the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    If the DNA testing is valid then innocent explanation for the DNA is truly remote and the DNA has the definite appearance of being crime-related. Its not my fault if RDI doesn't accept this. Apparently mainstream media has.
    The DA and LE aren’t “accepting” it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK View Post
    And yet... how did the intruder manage to break in through the basement window and not disturb the unbroken spider web??? How did John's shirt fibers get in JB's unwashed panties? What appropriate reason is there for that???
    Why did John and Patsy both contaminate the body by handling/falling all over it???
    LinasK,
    The intruder sneaked into John's bedroom and removed the shirt then he wiped down JonBenet in an attempt to incriminate the R's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    I read what the DA said enough to know you've mischaracaterized it. The new DA is the new DA and isn't bound to any previous DA commitments on a go forward basis. I'd say the same thing. I mean, its not like he then proceeded to greedily press charges or anything (LOL).

    RDI needs some contemporary statements by CBI, FBI, etc. on their take as to the DNA evidence, because that seems to be driving the investigation as far as the public is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    I read what the DA said enough to know you've mischaracaterized it. The new DA is the new DA and isn't bound to any previous DA commitments on a go forward basis. I'd say the same thing. I mean, its not like he then proceeded to greedily press charges or anything (LOL).
    I haven’t mischaracterized it, and you know it.
    ML used DNA as an excuse to exonerate the Ramseys, the present administration isn’t buying it. No one is suggesting that IDI leads are not being pursued, but they are unquestionably not giving the Ramseys a pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    I haven’t mischaracterized it, and you know it.
    ML used DNA as an excuse to exonerate the Ramseys, the present administration isn’t buying it. No one is suggesting that IDI leads are not being pursued, but they are unquestionably not giving the Ramseys a pass.
    ML found more evidence at the crime scene that could be vital. Bashing her for it doesn't help RDI's image, believe me. Anyone truly interested in justice should be happy about finding any DNA on significant items at a crime scene. IOW your claim that ML 'used DNA' seems to indicate that anyone could 'use DNA'. Fact is, you have to HAVE some DNA in order to USE it. See what I mean?

    Technically there is probably an argument for exhonerating the R's, but that argument might be out of our expertise. Thats why I said RDI needs some more remarks from CBI and FBI on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    ML found more evidence at the crime scene that could be vital. Bashing her for it doesn't help RDI's image, believe me. Anyone truly interested in justice should be happy about finding any DNA on significant items at a crime scene. IOW your claim that ML 'used DNA' seems to indicate that anyone could 'use DNA'. Fact is, you have to HAVE some DNA in order to USE it. See what I mean?
    Actually it would be more accurate to say that ML misused rather than used the DNA evidence.
    The type of DNA in this case is subject to many issues, and open to innocent explanations. (I have posted about this extensively.)
    ML chose to disregard alternative explanations and proclaim that there was no innocent explanation. She then proceeded to exonerate the Ramseys.
    It could be argued that perhaps she was misinformed, but given her obvious bias, I seriously doubt it.
    Technically there is probably an argument for exhonerating the R's, but that argument might be out of our expertise. Thats why I said RDI needs some more remarks from CBI and FBI on it.
    A task force comprised of a number of professional agencies reviewed the evidence when the case was turned over to LE by Stan Garnett.
    Clearly, the review found no reason to exonerate the Ramseys and the investigation is continuing along the same lines that it did prior the interruption by ML, IOW, IDI and RDI possibilities are both being pursued.
    The days of a free pass at the hands of a staunch ally are over for the Ramseys.
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