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    Baker Family Dynamics

    Between EB & AB, EB seems to be the more dominant one.EB is 42 yrs. old & AB is 31. Would be interesting to know AB's family dynamics with his mother Karen. We know Karen told her friend in AU that AB had left the country with Z and his new wife and she didn't know where they were (for some time at least). We also know that ED, Z's biomom asked for Karen's assistance in finding Z & AB & Karen refused. Lots of games going on in this family. Also EB's daughter mentioned that the family had been distanced for the last year or so because of a dispute over money EB owed her father.


    In a Catawba County courtroom Wednesday, Amber Fairchild, 25, described her mother, Elisa Baker, as a potentially violent and unstable woman who has severed ties with her N.C. family and begun an online relationship with a man in London.
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    April Fairchild, Elisa Baker's sister video saying the family does not support her.

    http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25820087/index.html
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    I think Ab has always relied on take charge women in his life to handle the messier or less convenient details in life for him. It is my impression that his mom, KB, was the primary caregiver of little Z when she lived in Aus. I get the distinct impression that EB was charged with that job once here in the states.

    I also get the impression that KB has been AB's enabler all his life. I am not saying she is a terrible person or anything of the sort. Just that I feel she has helped him avoid growing up in many ways by shouldering a lot of things for him throughout his life and the result is the meek, mild, seemingly clueless AB we see today. That may also explain how he could so completely (apparently) give over the wearing of the pants to a dominating, manipulating personality such as EB's.

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    Where to start without getting a TO. We need a boat load of phiz-eh-key-eh-trists (said in my best Ricky Ricardo voice) for this bunch. Well, I could not find those, so this will have to do...running from Ducky now.


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    Im not sure if this is where I should be putting this if not mods please move or delete.
    Im going to try to start from the beginning so this might get long winded sorry in advance.

    Kb gives birth to AB. Shes a mom who loves her children and does everything to raise them with love and support. possibly overbearing.
    Along comes beautiful ED. Her and AB are young and in love. She gives birth to Zahra. Everyone is instantly in love with this child. Things are hard on the young family, they split up and go seperate ways. Its overbearing on ED who suffers from PPD. She gives Zahra to her dad to make her safe. AB and KB are both upset with ED over the split up causing bad feelings between them.
    AB and Zahra move in with KB. She wants to protect them both. KB makes AB feel Zahra is better off without ED in her life.
    Zahra gets sick. This makes KB even more protective of her. AB works hard to give his daughter a good life. Hes alone and spends his evenings online.
    He meets EB. He develops feeling for this woman who is giving him attention, making him feel loved and needed. EB goes to OZ. Shes doesnt look like the pics but oh well her feelings are what hes after.
    AB marries EB who shows love and is making him feel like a man. Shes treating Zahra well, she butts heads with his mom. EB convinces him KB is running his life They go to the USA and get away from KB. This causes a fued with KB. They cut off ties.
    This finds them in NC. They move in with EBs father. Life is AB cant find work because hes not a citizen. EB has way to many ailments to work. Bills add up, tention starts with EBs dad. AB not feeling very manly. EB uses this to get the upper hand in the relationship.
    They get there own place. Times are hard. EB says we can write checks to get by Ive done it for years . We can sell a few drugs to get by too. Eb starts being mean to Zahra and hides the worst from AB. AB is having doubts but hes stuck in US with no money, he sees things he doesnt like but EB cant be all that bad her kids and "brother" are around alot.
    They start having fights over money. BB doesnt pay them the money they need. EB convinces AB that BB and Boyfriend are threatening her. He goes after them to get the money. EBs saying get them to pull over. He does as she says.
    AB finally gets work. Hes gone alot but hes finally feeling like a man. He leaves early gets home late. Doesnt get to see his daughter much but EB keeps him filled in on her and things will slow down at work during the winter and he can spend time with Zahra then.
    This senario shows how he could be led by the women in his life. I dont know if hes guilty or not time will tell. JMO
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    I think KB is extremely controlling and possessive. I don't think ED had a chance once she got together with Adam, and especially once she became pregnant and gave birth to Zahra. I think Adam is well and truly under KB's thumb and always has be which is just how she likes it, the only time he seems to have rebelled is when EB wanted him and Zahra to move back to NC with her.

    Now look what's happened.

    So Adam has conceded and repositioned himself back under KB's thumb. Just as it should be in KB's mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidefox64 View Post
    Im not sure if this is where I should be putting this if not mods please move or delete.
    Im going to try to start from the beginning so this might get long winded sorry in advance.

    Kb gives birth to AB. Shes a mom who loves her children and does everything to raise them with love and support. possibly overbearing.
    Along comes beautiful ED. Her and AB are young and in love. She gives birth to Zahra. Everyone is instantly in love with this child. Things are hard on the young family, they split up and go seperate ways. Its overbearing on ED who suffers from PPD. She gives Zahra to her dad to make her safe. AB and KB are both upset with ED over the split up causing bad feelings between them.
    AB and Zahra move in with KB. She wants to protect them both. KB makes AB feel Zahra is better off without ED in her life.
    Zahra gets sick. This makes KB even more protective of her. AB works hard to give his daughter a good life. Hes alone and spends his evenings online.
    He meets EB. He develops feeling for this woman who is giving him attention, making him feel loved and needed. EB goes to OZ. Shes doesnt look like the pics but oh well her feelings are what hes after.
    AB marries EB who shows love and is making him feel like a man. Shes treating Zahra well, she butts heads with his mom. EB convinces him KB is running his life They go to the USA and get away from KB. This causes a fued with KB. They cut off ties.
    This finds them in NC. They move in with EBs father. Life is AB cant find work because hes not a citizen. EB has way to many ailments to work. Bills add up, tention starts with EBs dad. AB not feeling very manly. EB uses this to get the upper hand in the relationship.
    They get there own place. Times are hard. EB says we can write checks to get by Ive done it for years . We can sell a few drugs to get by too. Eb starts being mean to Zahra and hides the worst from AB. AB is having doubts but hes stuck in US with no money, he sees things he doesnt like but EB cant be all that bad her kids and "brother" are around alot.
    They start having fights over money. BB doesnt pay them the money they need. EB convinces AB that BB and Boyfriend are threatening her. He goes after them to get the money. EBs saying get them to pull over. He does as she says.
    AB finally gets work. Hes gone alot but hes finally feeling like a man. He leaves early gets home late. Doesnt get to see his daughter much but EB keeps him filled in on her and things will slow down at work during the winter and he can spend time with Zahra then.
    This senario shows how he could be led by the women in his life. I dont know if hes guilty or not time will tell. JMO
    I agree with your entire post EXCEPTING the BBM portion. No matter how many hours he is working (and we do not know how many or few he's been working lately) and no matter how odd his hours are, I hold him accountable for Zahra's wellbeing and leaving Z for extended periods without setting eyes on her or allowing EB to filter to him info about Z is negligent parenting from someone sleeping under the same roof as his child IMOO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    I think KB is extremely controlling and possessive. I don't think ED had a chance once she got together with Adam, and especially once she became pregnant and gave birth to Zahra. I think Adam is well and truly under KB's thumb and always has be which is just how she likes it, the only time he seems to have rebelled is when EB wanted him and Zahra to move back to NC with her.

    Now look what's happened.

    So Adam has conceded and repositioned himself back under KB's thumb. Just as it should be in KB's mind.
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    I think we have seen the Aussie version of Cindy Anthony!
    ďIíll stand by my son. Itís really hard to listen to people call him murderers,and a child abuser.But people donít know,and the police will find out exactly what happened and then weíll all know the truth.And they all will see that he loved his daughter and she meant the world to him.ĒKB
    I was bracing myself for a statement similar to CA's about AB being Father of the Year when the truth is known-Thank the Lord that didn't happen!! YET!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by essies View Post
    ITA
    I think we have seen the Aussie version of Cindy Anthony!
    “I’ll stand by my son. It’s really hard to listen to people call him murderers,and a child abuser.But people don’t know,and the police will find out exactly what happened and then we’ll all know the truth.And they all will see that he loved his daughter and she meant the world to him.”KB
    I was bracing myself for a statement similar to CA's about AB being Father of the Year when the truth is known-Thank the Lord that didn't happen!! YET!!
    Syrupy wasn't it! I actually think she is worse than CA. Although we don't know how CA would have dealt with similar competition since Caylee's father was not part of the scene. The way Emily was treated is just unbelievable, and I don't believe for a second that AB was the driving force behind that.

    KB also seems to have a lot more control over AB than CA had over KC. He seems to willingly follow along passively with her whereas KC at least had some fight in her and rebelled against her mothers control.

    Odd.
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    I can certainly see similarities in this mother child dynamic and that of the ICA/CA relationship, but I haven't seen, heard, etc enough from KB or AB to decide if I feel that is an accurate assessment (at least for me) or not yet. Guess time will tell. My gut says mama has run him all his life excpeting when EB was busy running him. But I am not sure about the control factor rivalling CA yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capri View Post
    April Fairchild, Elisa Baker's sister video saying the family does not support her.

    http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25820087/index.html
    IMO, AF doesn't look like someone who just cried all the way through a memorial service...just sayin'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    Where to start without getting a TO. We need a boat load of phiz-eh-key-eh-trists (said in my best Ricky Ricardo voice) for this bunch. Well, I could not find those, so this will have to do...running from Ducky now.

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    It does seem like fake tears are kinda of an in thing. I didn't see any in her eyes when she acted like she was crying.....hmmmmm.
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    AB saying he wants to bring Zahra home?

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8142856

    Appearing alongside his mother Karen, Mr Baker, complained people had yelled "murderer" and "child abuser" at him and said he would like to take Zahra's body back to Australia.

    "I think that's where she'd want to be," Mr Baker, a 33-year-old former Queensland sugar mill worker, told North Carolina TV station WBTV.

    "She has a lot of friends and a lot of family in Australia that need her to be over there."

    She also has a mother AB. Buckle up, I think we're in for a custody battle re; Zahra's remains. I'm backing Emily on this one. The Bakers have seen the last of their dominance and control where Zahra is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidefox64 View Post
    Im not sure if this is where I should be putting this if not mods please move or delete.
    Im going to try to start from the beginning so this might get long winded sorry in advance.

    Kb gives birth to AB. Shes a mom who loves her children and does everything to raise them with love and support. possibly overbearing.
    Along comes beautiful ED. Her and AB are young and in love. She gives birth to Zahra. Everyone is instantly in love with this child. Things are hard on the young family, they split up and go seperate ways. Its overbearing on ED who suffers from PPD. She gives Zahra to her dad to make her safe. AB and KB are both upset with ED over the split up causing bad feelings between them.
    AB and Zahra move in with KB. She wants to protect them both. KB makes AB feel Zahra is better off without ED in her life.
    Zahra gets sick. This makes KB even more protective of her. AB works hard to give his daughter a good life. Hes alone and spends his evenings online.
    He meets EB. He develops feeling for this woman who is giving him attention, making him feel loved and needed. EB goes to OZ. Shes doesnt look like the pics but oh well her feelings are what hes after.
    AB marries EB who shows love and is making him feel like a man. Shes treating Zahra well, she butts heads with his mom. EB convinces him KB is running his life They go to the USA and get away from KB. This causes a fued with KB. They cut off ties.
    This finds them in NC. They move in with EBs father. Life is AB cant find work because hes not a citizen. EB has way to many ailments to work. Bills add up, tention starts with EBs dad. AB not feeling very manly. EB uses this to get the upper hand in the relationship.
    They get there own place. Times are hard. EB says we can write checks to get by Ive done it for years . We can sell a few drugs to get by too. Eb starts being mean to Zahra and hides the worst from AB. AB is having doubts but hes stuck in US with no money, he sees things he doesnt like but EB cant be all that bad her kids and "brother" are around alot.
    They start having fights over money. BB doesnt pay them the money they need. EB convinces AB that BB and Boyfriend are threatening her. He goes after them to get the money. EBs saying get them to pull over. He does as she says.
    AB finally gets work. Hes gone alot but hes finally feeling like a man. He leaves early gets home late. Doesnt get to see his daughter much but EB keeps him filled in on her and things will slow down at work during the winter and he can spend time with Zahra then.
    This senario shows how he could be led by the women in his life. I dont know if hes guilty or not time will tell. JMO
    Good post!! very believable.

    I also think there is a another dynamic here and that is KB is not only into momma bear protective mode but she knows she must share some of the blame for keeping Zahra away from her Bio mom. By believing her son innocent of any wrongdoing she can absolve herself from responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    AB saying he wants to bring Zahra home?

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8142856

    Appearing alongside his mother Karen, Mr Baker, complained people had yelled "murderer" and "child abuser" at him and said he would like to take Zahra's body back to Australia.

    "I think that's where she'd want to be," Mr Baker, a 33-year-old former Queensland sugar mill worker, told North Carolina TV station WBTV.

    "She has a lot of friends and a lot of family in Australia that need her to be over there."
    Oh, really Dad? It just now occurred to you that Zahra wanted to be back in Australia? That she has lots of friends and family, like <ahem> a MOTHER, for instance, over there?

    I'll refrain from adding more, at the risk of making Ducky go

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    I think Ab has always relied on take charge women in his life to handle the messier or less convenient details in life for him. It is my impression that his mom, KB, was the primary caregiver of little Z when she lived in Aus. I get the distinct impression that EB was charged with that job once here in the states.

    I also get the impression that KB has been AB's enabler all his life. I am not saying she is a terrible person or anything of the sort. Just that I feel she has helped him avoid growing up in many ways by shouldering a lot of things for him throughout his life and the result is the meek, mild, seemingly clueless AB we see today. That may also explain how he could so completely (apparently) give over the wearing of the pants to a dominating, manipulating personality such as EB's.

    All of the above is just little ole my opinion.
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    JMOO I do not see AB as a meek, mild or clueless
    If AB was he wouldn't be having a hearing for bad checks and road rage incident.
    I do believe his mother KB has ruled the roost.
    But I see AB as VERY manipulating also.
    I think that AB/KB was abusive and uncaring toward Zahra's mother Emily.
    There was a link if I can find it by Emily stating that her PPD was worse by them.
    It seems that KB did the raising of Zahra, but I do not see from any pix or video's
    of A REAL distraught grandma.
    All of a sudden KB and AB are back together like glue.
    Why for 2 years was there NO CONTACT???
    IMO, I think AB enjoyed his fun and games with Elisa.
    2 peas in a pod..........he gets no pass from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post

    "I think that's where she'd want to be," Mr Baker, a 33-year-old former Queensland sugar mill worker, told North Carolina TV station WBTV.

    "She has a lot of friends and a lot of family in Australia that need her to be over there."
    Well, he certainly chose a fine time to start caring about what Zahra wants... After they've been dismembered you can give your children everything they want because they don't want much any more.


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    AB will never get FATHER OF THE YEAR as far as I am concerned..........

    and to think EB's own child is afraid her.

    What makes these 2 tick??? They are the SAME inside. JMOO

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    Do we know anything about AB childhood?
    Father?
    Divorse? Married parents?
    Was AB abused?
    Close to siblings?

    WE know EB father is alive.
    We know her mother is dead.
    Her children are scared of her.
    Was EB abused as a child?

    O/T today was visitation at school (3rd & 5th grade for me)
    I watched and saw NO ONE that dressed or looked like an EB
    anywhere......thank the LORD!
    Imagine that red/black hairdo, black/red Goth jacket, and black eye..........
    Zahra was probably so ashamed of SM.
    Then to think Zahra had no lunch..........

    I blame allot of abuse on AB as well as EB..............Both! JMOO
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    great post on EB mind

    also on that thread they were talking anout AB had been arrested once for Domestic Violence, but I can't find a link.........
    was this when the landlord (Zahra in attic) said AB/EB fought outside in parking lot???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    AB saying he wants to bring Zahra home?

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8142856

    Appearing alongside his mother Karen, Mr Baker, complained people had yelled "murderer" and "child abuser" at him and said he would like to take Zahra's body back to Australia.

    "I think that's where she'd want to be," Mr Baker, a 33-year-old former Queensland sugar mill worker, told North Carolina TV station WBTV.

    "She has a lot of friends and a lot of family in Australia that need her to be over there."

    She also has a mother AB. Buckle up, I think we're in for a custody battle re; Zahra's remains. I'm backing Emily on this one. The Bakers have seen the last of their dominance and control where Zahra is concerned.
    ITA I just wonder if they didnt talk while she was there considering her comment on giving him the benifit of doubt. I almost think that might be the family he was talking about JMO
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    Documents show Elisa Baker may have committed bigamy

    http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/632890/documents-show-elisa-baker-may-have-committed-bigamy By: Jennifer Moxley

    LENOIR, N.C. – There’s news information in the Zahra Baker murder case. Court documents obtained by News 14 Carolina indicate Elisa Baker was married to two men at the same time.

    The civil court papers filed in Caldwell County show Elisa Baker and her exhusband Aaron Young officially divorced Aug. 21, 2009. Young told News 14 Carolina that Elisa Baker said she filed for divorce in Australia but he filed in Caldwell County because he didn’t believe her.

    Several sources confirm Elisa Baker and Adam Baker married in Australia in July 2008, including Adam Baker’s mother with whom they lived in Australia.

    It’s a Class I Felony in North Carolina to commit bigamy. District Attorney Jay Gaither would not discuss the possibility of filing charges for bigamy. Hickory Police investigators are aware of the timeline.
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