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    TX - Dr. Rick Lohstroh, 41, shot dead, 10yo son charged, 27 Aug 2004


    http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Southwest....ap/index.html

    The boy, using his mother's gun, fired through the back seat before getting out of the vehicle and continuing to shoot, Williams said. Lohstroh, a doctor at the University of Texas Medical Branch, died on the way to a hospital.

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    This happened in my hometown of Houston, Texas. So tragic.

    Here is another link to the story

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/082...dshooting.html

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    I wonder if the mother will be charged for not locking the gun?
    I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for pretending to be someone I'm not.

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    http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040829_1984.html

    I'm also wondering BIRDIEBOO, IF the mother actually put him up to it? It sounds like a very terrible divorce.

    "The boy's mother, Deborah Geisler, had filed complaints with police during the 2003 divorce alleging that Lohstroh had molested their sons.

    "He was very angry with his father," Geisler said in Sunday editions of the Houston Chronicle.

    Lohstroh's attorney, Kathleen Collins, said police found no evidence to support the abuse claims. "This was one of the worst cases I've seen in terms of false allegations," she said."

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    Or maybe the allegations are true and the boy did not want to be anywhere near his father? A child that has been molested, then forced to see the offending parent, could feel like the court system has failed him, and decided to take matters into his own hands.
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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    Whoa! the kid could get Juvie detention until 18, THEN 40 more years as an adult. This doesn't seem quite right. Does Texas think that 10 year olds really have a grasp on the consequences of their actions?

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/083...oyhearing.html
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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    You know what? If I knew my husband (or anyone for that matter) had been hurting my kids, there is no way in HELL I would have let him anywhere near my son. Cmadwolf would have disappeared with the kid. Or I'd have killed him myself before I let my child go with him. Something's not right. No mother would just let her son go, law or no. At least be in that truck with the child. Leash him to ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostwheel
    Whoa! the kid could get Juvie detention until 18, THEN 40 more years as an adult. This doesn't seem quite right. Does Texas think that 10 year olds really have a grasp on the consequences of their actions?

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/083...oyhearing.html

    Ghostwheel,
    Texas is very very scary in their punishments.
    I have always said "Ya sure as hell don't wanna get raped in TX". I am sure that goes double for men or boys...
    Whether or not the allegations are true or not, is an entire different story...

    -Texas native and rape victim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhodirasta
    Ghostwheel,
    Texas is very very scary in their punishments.
    I have always said "Ya sure as hell don't wanna get raped in TX". I am sure that goes double for men or boys...
    Whether or not the allegations are true or not, is an entire different story...

    -Texas native and rape victim
    I'm all for proper punishments (I've seen many way too lenient), but 48 years for a 10 year old? They've never even read about their rights, much less understand them. I realize that is the MOST he can get, still....
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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    He doesn't necessarily serve another 40 years, but the system allows that when he turns 18, it can reconsider whether or not he should be released. I would rather have a child re-evaluated at that age, than a blanket "He's fixed!" and release into society again. We all know of serial killers who went wrong at an early age--Ted Bundy was suspected of killing a neighbor's child when he was a teen. Other children deserve a second chance. I'm all for a system that allows for an individual decision.

    I don't think the boy was abused, by his father. Perhaps by someone else, but not by the dad. The charges were found to be unsubstantiated and in fair defense of the dad, that should be noted. The boy's story changed substantially.

    I've read a lot of the coverage and I think this was a divorce turned ugly. Really ugly. Police had been called previously to the home, the children were clearly and obviously troubled by the situation, and this poor little boy was caught in the middle between two parents.

    No child should be able to access a gun, let alone a loaded one. That is far more frightening to me than the Texas legal system. The fact that he knew how to get the gun is very, very suspicious. I grew up in a home with a handgun and I promise you I had no idea where it was--and I could not have found it in a few minutes.

    This case makes me physically ill, I think of one of my students caught up in something like this and I am just sick. I have been witnessing a child in my own neighborhood falling apart due to a divorce and it is just a nightmare. I know how parents can end up seeking up a divorce, but when you see these fragile children falling apart, it just makes me weep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texana
    He doesn't necessarily serve another 40 years, but the system allows that when he turns 18, it can reconsider whether or not he should be released. I would rather have a child re-evaluated at that age, than a blanket "He's fixed!" and release into society again. We all know of serial killers who went wrong at an early age--Ted Bundy was suspected of killing a neighbor's child when he was a teen. Other children deserve a second chance. I'm all for a system that allows for an individual decision.

    I don't think the boy was abused, by his father. Perhaps by someone else, but not by the dad. The charges were found to be unsubstantiated and in fair defense of the dad, that should be noted. The boy's story changed substantially.

    I've read a lot of the coverage and I think this was a divorce turned ugly. Really ugly. Police had been called previously to the home, the children were clearly and obviously troubled by the situation, and this poor little boy was caught in the middle between two parents.

    No child should be able to access a gun, let alone a loaded one. That is far more frightening to me than the Texas legal system. The fact that he knew how to get the gun is very, very suspicious. I grew up in a home with a handgun and I promise you I had no idea where it was--and I could not have found it in a few minutes.

    This case makes me physically ill, I think of one of my students caught up in something like this and I am just sick. I have been witnessing a child in my own neighborhood falling apart due to a divorce and it is just a nightmare. I know how parents can end up seeking up a divorce, but when you see these fragile children falling apart, it just makes me weep.

    Hey there Texana!
    See, now the difference between my dad (my mom has a gun, given by my dad, but I don't think she would ever use it) and your parents, is that at age 4, after my lessons with my daisy rifle, I was SHOWN where the glocks were hidden. My dad didn't ever want me to come across them "accidentaly". (I was quite nosy and curious begining at a young age)
    I was taught how to fire a glock around age 8, but it was always a "goal" of mine begining at age four, that I would some day be "big enough" to use it properly. I knew that I was too small, but I also knew what happened when a gun was shot- I had a pretty good idea about what a glock could do around age 4, because while I was at the shooting range with daisy, my father was right next to me with "gargoyle glock".
    Worked for me. I think ya just gotta know yer kids, and this family surely did not. Parents are just as guilty, if not more than the kids...

    Bhodi

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    I ran into my dad's rifle by accident, and it nearly scared me to death. Thank goodness my parents didn't have it loaded, because I could easily have fired it by accident (it was in a cloth bag!) I remember standing there screaming for my parents because I was holding this gun, and I had no idea what to do, and terrified I would shoot them by accident.

    My kids (yes, one is only five) know how to handle a gun, and what to do if anyone ever gets one out when they are in the room (leave). But if ever their cousins come over, the gun goes into a locked case for the duration. (same for any friends). I taught them for the same reason I taught myself. If they ever end up with a gun in their hands, for whatever reason, they will know how to put it down safely. They also know how to unload almost any gun.
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostwheel
    I ran into my dad's rifle by accident, and it nearly scared me to death. Thank goodness my parents didn't have it loaded, because I could easily have fired it by accident (it was in a cloth bag!) I remember standing there screaming for my parents because I was holding this gun, and I had no idea what to do, and terrified I would shoot them by accident.

    My kids (yes, one is only five) know how to handle a gun, and what to do if anyone ever gets one out when they are in the room (leave). But if ever their cousins come over, the gun goes into a locked case for the duration. (same for any friends). I taught them for the same reason I taught myself. If they ever end up with a gun in their hands, for whatever reason, they will know how to put it down safely. They also know how to unload almost any gun.
    Yah, Ghostwheel,
    If ya think your guns are well hidden, think again. I also "stumbled upon" a tiny little seecam one day (exploding bullets). All I knew about that particular gun, was that it could kill. I took it out of its "hiding spot" and asked my dad what kind of gun it was (the hiding spot was pretty stealth too). I got the lesson on the seecam the next day...
    I really think that if parents have guns in the house, the children should be taught at a VERY young age, how to use them.
    My father used stuffed animals to show me what the guns would do (I will NEVER forget when my dear dear Humpty Dumpty fell of the wall)

    Bhodi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhodirasta
    My father used stuffed animals to show me what the guns would do (I will NEVER forget when my dear dear Humpty Dumpty fell of the wall)

    Bhodi
    Now THAT seems a little over the top to me, but whatever works for your family.
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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