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  1. #301
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    Hi Everyone,

    This case is so haunting. Glad to see we still have some discussion going on.

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    I think the fact that Mrs. Sodder found the door unusually unlocked when she woke up at night indicates foul play. If only she checked to see if the children were still there, she may have found them already gone.

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    Thanks for the link Tricia. I watched approx 20 min of the video & it really upset me how the two narrators made light of such a tragic situation. It just didn't seem right. But I do appreciate that this horrible tragedy is receiving some publicity. The Sodder parents seemed to try so hard to find out what happened to their missing kids. How awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane View Post
    Thanks for the link Tricia. I watched approx 20 min of the video & it really upset me how the two narrators made light of such a tragic situation. It just didn't seem right. But I do appreciate that this horrible tragedy is receiving some publicity. The Sodder parents seemed to try so hard to find out what happened to their missing kids. How awful.

    They could have solved their mystery 70 years ago if they had not been in such a hurry to bulldoze the site.

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    I agree about the levity from the narrators. It was tragic and not the stuff of jokes. Just because it happened some 80 years ago does not make it less.

    Anyway I am glad this story is being kept in the public eye.

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    the person who took them might have had a gun or some kind of weapon to scare the kids into going. they were still pretty young and might not have known what to do and cooperated with the kidnapers.
    Last edited by jade.and.pals; 08-12-2017 at 12:54 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jade.and.pals View Post
    the person who took them might have had a gun or some kind of weapon to scare the kids into going. they were still pretty young and might not have known what to do and cooperated with the kidnapers.

    There is absolutely no evidence that anyone "took" the children. However there is overwhelming evidence that they were killed in the fire. The scene was never properly searched, the entire house had collapsed into the basement, and the father was in such a hurry to cover up the scene that he borrowed a bulldozer and covered up the site within three days. There are some in that part of West Virginia who believe that the father had something to do with the fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon500 View Post
    There is absolutely no evidence that anyone "took" the children. However there is overwhelming evidence that they were killed in the fire. The scene was never properly searched, the entire house had collapsed into the basement, and the father was in such a hurry to cover up the scene that he borrowed a bulldozer and covered up the site within three days. There are some in that part of West Virginia who believe that the father had something to do with the fire.
    My guess - these "messages" from the Sodder children are people playing sick jokes on the family.

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    Hey All,

    I posted a long time ago about this haunting case, can't remember my original thoughts too well. I was looking it over on Wikipedia here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodder..._disappearance

    Note that anyone can edit Wikipedia links, but it is monitored fairly well and is regularaily updated. But best to compare what is already know about the case and check new developments on Wikipedia, carefully with other sources:

    1.) At this time, I suspect foul play. I believe that the fire was set by an arsonist who cut the phone lines, and moved the ladder, so that the children could not be saved who were still upstairs.

    2.) Why did Mrs. Sodder not go downstairs when she awoke that one time when the lights were still on at that location?

    3.) I think that the children were taken against their will, and sadly were probably killed a short time later. If they survived, they feared returning, feeling that if they did, their parents would be harmed. But to wait all these years and not contact them? I just can't see them held captive for that length of time. I don't think they died in the fire.

    4.) Haunting this case is the note that only the children who stayed up to play, were the ones who vanished?

    5.) If the account from Wikipedia is true, why did John change his story about first going up to try to rescue the children, but later say, that he just called out to them?

    6.) That mysterious phone call with the weird laugh is frightening, but I don't think it is connected to the children or the fire. There is no evidence of that.

    7.) To where did the family relocate after the fire? My understanding is that the home was destroyed completely and it became a memorial for the missing children.

    8.) I would suspect more that the children died in the fire, IF there were not all the other strange events and threats to the family before the fire, along with the phone lines cut and the ladder moved the night of the tragedy. Somebody planned this sabotage to the family property for a very long time and IMO to take the children.

    Satch
    Last edited by Satch; 12-09-2017 at 02:11 PM.

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    Just FYI on Wikipedia - how well a page is monitored depends strongly on that page, and it is not uncommon to find what Wikipedia editors call "vandalism" that has been there for months or years, because nobody saw that someone edited the page to include misleading information. Then you have editors with an agenda, and unless there are enough other editors who care to bring it to the attention of administrators, that page could end up being a glorified soapbox for someone's theories. I've done some anti-vandalism work on Wikipedia and frankly gave up because the amount of misinformation there is endless, and the only way to know it's wrong is if you have spent a lot of time doing research on your own.

    But on Satch's post - I'm not sure why someone would want to make the children appear to be dead in the fire but want to spare the parents. It would be much easier to abduct the kids and ensure the parents died in the fire - the authorities would assume everyone died in the fire, no billboards would have been erected, no possibility of news stories from parents who thought their children were still alive, etc.


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    Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is.

    https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

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    Hey all Iím new here. Could someone post the address of where the house was? Iím just trying to get a good idea. Iím LDS and have free access to genealogy pages. Do we have adoption records of that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulR View Post
    Just FYI on Wikipedia - how well a page is monitored depends strongly on that page, and it is not uncommon to find what Wikipedia editors call "vandalism" that has been there for months or years, because nobody saw that someone edited the page to include misleading information. Then you have editors with an agenda, and unless there are enough other editors who care to bring it to the attention of administrators, that page could end up being a glorified soapbox for someone's theories. I've done some anti-vandalism work on Wikipedia and frankly gave up because the amount of misinformation there is endless, and the only way to know it's wrong is if you have spent a lot of time doing research on your own.

    But on Satch's post - I'm not sure why someone would want to make the children appear to be dead in the fire but want to spare the parents. It would be much easier to abduct the kids and ensure the parents died in the fire - the authorities would assume everyone died in the fire, no billboards would have been erected, no possibility of news stories from parents who thought their children were still alive, etc.
    Unless whoever took the children wanted the parents to feel the pain of those losses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satch View Post
    Hey All,

    I posted a long time ago about this haunting case, can't remember my original thoughts too well. I was looking it over on Wikipedia here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodder..._disappearance

    Note that anyone can edit Wikipedia links, but it is monitored fairly well and is regularaily updated. But best to compare what is already know about the case and check new developments on Wikipedia, carefully with other sources:

    1.) At this time, I suspect foul play. I believe that the fire was set by an arsonist who cut the phone lines, and moved the ladder, so that the children could not be saved who were still upstairs.

    2.) Why did Mrs. Sodder not go downstairs when she awoke that one time when the lights were still on at that location?

    3.) I think that the children were taken against their will, and sadly were probably killed a short time later. If they survived, they feared returning, feeling that if they did, their parents would be harmed. But to wait all these years and not contact them? I just can't see them held captive for that length of time. I don't think they died in the fire.

    4.) Haunting this case is the note that only the children who stayed up to play, were the ones who vanished?

    5.) If the account from Wikipedia is true, why did John change his story about first going up to try to rescue the children, but later say, that he just called out to them?

    6.) That mysterious phone call with the weird laugh is frightening, but I don't think it is connected to the children or the fire. There is no evidence of that.

    7.) To where did the family relocate after the fire? My understanding is that the home was destroyed completely and it became a memorial for the missing children.

    8.) I would suspect more that the children died in the fire, IF there were not all the other strange events and threats to the family before the fire, along with the phone lines cut and the ladder moved the night of the tragedy. Somebody planned this sabotage to the family property for a very long time and IMO to take the children.

    Satch
    Hi Satch

    BBM...

    I happen to agree with you. Do you have any theories on why the children would have been taken? Or by who?
    "Later that night I held an atlas in my lap, ran my fingers across the whole world
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    It answered everywhere... everywhere... everywhere."_


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    Quote Originally Posted by Satch View Post
    Hey All,I posted a long time ago about this haunting case, can't remember my original thoughts too well. I was looking it over on Wikipedia here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodder..._disappearanceNote that anyone can edit Wikipedia links, but it is monitored fairly well and is regularaily updated. But best to compare what is already know about the case and check new developments on Wikipedia, carefully with other sources:1.) At this time, I suspect foul play. I believe that the fire was set by an arsonist who cut the phone lines, and moved the ladder, so that the children could not be saved who were still upstairs.2.) Why did Mrs. Sodder not go downstairs when she awoke that one time when the lights were still on at that location?3.) I think that the children were taken against their will, and sadly were probably killed a short time later. If they survived, they feared returning, feeling that if they did, their parents would be harmed. But to wait all these years and not contact them? I just can't see them held captive for that length of time. I don't think they died in the fire.4.) Haunting this case is the note that only the children who stayed up to play, were the ones who vanished?5.) If the account from Wikipedia is true, why did John change his story about first going up to try to rescue the children, but later say, that he just called out to them?6.) That mysterious phone call with the weird laugh is frightening, but I don't think it is connected to the children or the fire. There is no evidence of that.7.) To where did the family relocate after the fire? My understanding is that the home was destroyed completely and it became a memorial for the missing children.8.) I would suspect more that the children died in the fire, IF there were not all the other strange events and threats to the family before the fire, along with the phone lines cut and the ladder moved the night of the tragedy. Somebody planned this sabotage to the family property for a very long time and IMO to take the children.Satch
    Satch, I believe that the children died in the fire, but I do think that the fire was probably arson. I think the so-called messages from the children were from misguided people who felt sorry for the parents and wanted to give them hope. The only mystery here is, who set the fire, if it was arson?

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