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    I haven't heard anything new on the news today. It was very disturbing yesterday to walk by the site and see so many delivery trucks parked right where this little girl landed and things going on as normal with no evidence of the horrible things that took place the evening prior.


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    What a beautiful sweet angel! Fly with the angels, Baby Girl!


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    Grandma charged in girl's fatal fall

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cri...irls-fata.html

    He said Dela Rosa has a teenage son who attends a local private school.

    "She had her son in a good school," he said. "They are good people.

    He said the family had lived in the house for a number of years, and Dela Rosa was the friendly person on the block who put together neighborhood barbecues and brought food to neighbors when they shoveled snow in last winter's storms.
    About an hour before Dela Rosa allegedly threw the girl over the railing, Jackson's son, Russell Jackson Jr., saw the family get into their car.

    Angelyn's grandfather buckled her into a car seat, and Angelyn left with her mother and her grandparents, he said.


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    Nobody answered the door Tuesday morning at the Falls Church home where police say Angelyn lived with her mother. It is a newly built, two-story white house with a fence and a manicured lawn. A child's seat and toys sit on the back porch.

    Neighbors say the family slowly built the house over the past year.
    Another neighbor, Joan Naleppa, said Angelyn's paternal grandparents own the Falls Church home. They renovated the house when Angelyn was born and made an upstairs apartment for Angelyn and her parents to live, Naleppa said.

    Naleppa said the couple previously had lived with Dela Rosa.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cri...irls-fata.html

    I am wondering if, now that the paternal grandparents' home was completed, CDR had become jealous of Angelyn possibly not spending as much time with her, as she used to, and was spending more time with her paternal grandparents in the home that they renovated to accomodate her.

    I just don't understand...


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    There is an interesting comment at 11/30/10 3:10pm, by mpowell2. She comments again at 5:22, re: the mother's reaction.

    Take this for what it is worth.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cri...irls-fata.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by hollye View Post
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cri...irls-fata.html

    I am wondering if, now that the paternal grandparents' home was completed, CDR had become jealous of Angelyn possibly not spending as much time with her, as she used to, and was spending more time with her paternal grandparents in the home that they renovated to accomodate her.

    I just don't understand...
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    If it was a deliberate action on her part, you may be right. As we have seen in some divorce situations, for example, that there have been parents who have murdered their children because of resentment over the situation, getting revenge, etc. Whether this is due to mental illness, being willfully evil, or some combination of the two, I don't know.

    And somewhere on this board I have read that according to some legal determinations that it only takes a very short time frame, such as a few seconds, to form intent. Perhaps there was some comment made in conversation at that moment.
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    Grandmother Held In Solitary Confinement

    TYSONS CORNER, Va. (WUSA) - When Carmela Dela Rosa left the Tysons Corner food court and walked across the 50-foot high bridge, she was carrying her two-and-half-year-old granddaughter, according to the Chief Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney Ian Rodway. He says for no apparent reason, Dela Rosa intentionally threw the child off the walkway to the pavement below.

    Angelyn Ogdoc died hours later at the hospital.

    Dela Rosa is being held in solitary confinement to prevent her from hurting herself says Fairfax County Sheriff Stan Barry.


    more here

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollye View Post
    There is an interesting comment at 11/30/10 3:10pm, by mpowell2. She comments again at 5:22, re: the mother's reaction.

    Take this for what it is worth.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cri...irls-fata.html
    This person claims to be an eyewitness to the events immediately following the child's fall.

    If what he is saying is true, this was no accident.


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    BALTIMORE (AP) - A woman accused of throwing her granddaughter several stories from an elevated walkway outside a northern Virginia mall has a history of mental illness, an attorney said Wednesday.

    Deputy Public Defender Dawn Butorac said that it is very early in the investigation, but the defense team is exploring 50-year-old Carmela Dela Rosa's mental health.



    more here

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    I'm always hesitant to embrace the insanity defense early, but I think this might apply.

    Do you know those little crazy thoughts people get and then dismiss? Like when you're standing next to a busy street and think "Yikes, I better not move any farther forward" and that weird impulse to step out happens? (Please don't tell me I'm nuts, LOL, I've heard other people talk about it. I think there's a name for those impulses) Anyway, a rational, sane person is able to say "WhereTF did that come from?" and consciously take a step back.

    I think some people might have that part of their brain shut down, temporarily or not, and just let that impulse take over. She might have thought "Wow, I better be careful with her, that's a long way down" and instead sent her plunging to her death. Horrible and inexplicable, but I often find myself amazed at the human brain and all the little alarms and triggers and safety systems it employs. Maybe hers failed.

    That sounds weird, but believe me, I'm not one to seek the insanity defense first and ask questions later. I had a hard time with Andrea Yates pleading insanity until I found out all the details of her life leading up to the drownings. In my gut, this case says "irrational, insane impulse" rather than revenge or some other "rational" motive.


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    ^^MomofBoys^^ I don't ever recall the sensations you mention (neither would I call you nuts). That would scare the carp out of me! I have had equally crazy thoughts that make me go woah! where did that come from, feel odd for a moment - then move on.

    Which makes me think that having these wild thoughts is "normal" - acting on them is not - so where's the line between bat sheet crazy and sane? Is it all in impulse control? That would make an excellent Master's Thesis. If it's even possible to know, before the act happens.

    Andrea Yates story broke my heart, for her and her children. I remember when she was first in court - my mother said; "She is insane and God bless her if she ever regains her sanity and must face what she has done - it will make her crazy all over again".


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    Quote Originally Posted by LCoastMom View Post
    ^^MomofBoys^^ I don't ever recall the sensations you mention (neither would I call you nuts). That would scare the carp out of me! I have had equally crazy thoughts that make me go woah! where did that come from, feel odd for a moment - then move on.

    Which makes me think that having these wild thoughts is "normal" - acting on them is not - so where's the line between bat sheet crazy and sane? Is it all in impulse control? That would make an excellent Master's Thesis. If it's even possible to know, before the act happens.

    Andrea Yates story broke my heart, for her and her children. I remember when she was first in court - my mother said; "She is insane and God bless her if she ever regains her sanity and must face what she has done - it will make her crazy all over again".
    This has crossed my mind as well and I have too wondered whether or not it has to do with impulse control.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    I have been avoiding this thread because I could not imagine reading something so horrific. Well, I finally got up the courage.

    My heart bleeds for the children of this world who are SO innocent and are at the mercy of adults who do stuff like this.

    Rest in peace sweet baby girl. I can not imagine what you were thinking as your grandmaw did this to you. Fly high with the angels.
    Kimberly, with all the horrifically violent acts upon children that we know about, this one is almost a blessing, by comparison - no beating, no sexual abuse, no looking into GMa's crazed eyes as the life drained out of her. A few seconds of WHAT? and then hopefully, blissfully, angels to sweep her away.

    It is a tragedy none the less, and the family must be devastated - to lose Gma and baby in one act of insanity. How do we protect a child from something like this? No one could have seen it coming, or Gma wouldn't have been her babysitter, Gpa wouldn't have placed her in the car seat before Gma drove away. How horrible.


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    Maybe "impulse" is the wrong word in my scenario, now that I think about it. It's less an impulse and more an irrational fear. Like, walking by a really expensive vase and having a fleeting thought about pushing it off. You wouldn't do it, but it's like your brain takes a second to rebel. You think "I better not knock it off" and then you think "I wonder what would happen if I did." That doesn't really describe it either. Maybe I am nuts, lol. I thought I was until my husband brought it up one day unprompted. Until then I just thought it was one of my OCD things.

    Either way, this woman picked up a little girl and hurled her to what she could assume would be a painful death. A doting grandma one day and a homicidal monster the next? I keep flashing to what the neighbor said about seeing Grandma and baby waving out the window at passerbys. I can so vividly see that and it seems like such a normal, sweet interaction. What on earth shut off in her brain? Or turned on?

    Is there such thing as menopausal psychosis? I know hormones can make you do nutty things, especially if combined with an existing (diagnosed or not) mental illness. She's right around the age where women in my family have undergone rather pronounced change-of-life hormonal issues. Nothing like this, mind you, but anxiety, depression, bipolar behavior, etc. Maybe this woman had been exhibited symptoms for awhile and people chalked it up to nothing but normal hormonal fluctuations.

    Maybe it sounds like I'm making excuses for her and I'm not. What she did was awful. But if the family is being truthful and it was just a normal day at the mall, then this just seems so incredibly bizarre. There has to be a switch that got flipped somewhere. In a way, these are the crimes that scare me the most because you don't know when you're three feet away from someone capable of this. It makes me want to keep my little boys in a security bubble.


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    MomofBoys--I think the term for what you're describing is "Intrusive thoughts".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thoughts

    And I *totally* know what you mean. I sometimes think that I have extremely mild OCD (I used to have set multiple alarms, and would check them all repeatedly before going to bed, for example--and I still count, a lot). I used to sometimes have these weird thoughts--for example, being at the top of a flight of steps and thinking, "What if I deliberately fall down the stairs?" It didn't mean I would *want* to, I'd just have this fleeting thought. I thought I was totally crazy, until a friend of mine brought it up--she had the same kind of fleeting thoughts sometimes, and had the name for it. That was reassuring.
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