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    WI - Vernon Co., WhtFem 261UFWI, 50-63, severed hands, dentures, May'84

    Thanks to CarlK, tatertot, and Chaddylex for their help and opinions on this particular submission. I sent a PM to them basically asking if I was crazy to make this comparison and received very encouraging replies from each of them.

    From the blog I have been in contact with Shirley Stevens' neice and have sent the information along to the Vernon Co Sherrifs Department as well.


    Links for Shirley Stevens and the UID are below.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...s_shirley.html

    http://insearchofshirleyfrew.blogspot.com/

    compared to:

    *WARNING- POST MORTEM photos on the Porchlight link!
    http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobe...showtopic=1984

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/261ufwi.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-14-2013 at 02:32 PM.

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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...s_shirley.html

    For some reason the link to her (Shirley Stevens) doesn't work...(not sure what I did)...so here it is.

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    Response from Shirley Stevens' niece...

    *I did edit her reply email; I wanted to stick to the possibility of Shirley matching the Jane Doe based on appearance. If the info I took out is needed at a later time, and with her nieces blessing...I will share what I took out from the reply....which was more about Shirley's life; but again...not really relevant for ID purposes. Plus I don't know if I were in their shoes that I'd want info out like that regarding my Grandmother....

    "Thank you for sending the morgue photos. I still can't be sure if its Shirley. I wish I had some way of taking an old photograph of Shirley and putting it into a computer to show the aging process. The nose is like Shirleys and the mouth could be like hers downturned and something about the hairline could be too. Also, the Frews have big ears with long ear lobes and this woman look as if she had similar ears. Shirley was always so thin, but you never know what aging, cirrhosis of the liver, menopause and various other medical factors could cause a person to gain weight. I do know that my father, Shirley's brother had Type O blood, so that much holds true. And my dad was 79 when he passed away and he looked very similar to this morgue photo of this woman, so who's to say as she got older she and her brother may have grown to look similar?[/B] Or am I reading too much into this? Was this woman small boned?

    (deleted section of the mail.....don't find it relevant for ID'ing her)

    I'm going to send my Mom and my sister these photos so that they can see any similarities or family resemblance. I'll let you know if we should proceed.
    Last edited by masnitram; 12-04-2010 at 12:00 AM. Reason: edited more of the email

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    I remember somewhere reading (or maybe it was a video) that authorities were thinking that this woman might be Evelyn Hartley.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ey_evelyn.html

    If they are willing to check out a long shot like that, perhaps Shirley Stevens isn't so far-fetched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I remember somewhere reading (or maybe it was a video) that authorities were thinking that this woman might be Evelyn Hartley.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ey_evelyn.html

    If they are willing to check out a long shot like that, perhaps Shirley Stevens isn't so far-fetched.
    Wow! I know that ANYTHING is possible but really!?!?!?! I'm from Wisconsin and wouldn't make THAT comparison...but again I guess anything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masnitram View Post
    Response from Shirley Stevens' niece...

    *I did edit her reply email; I wanted to stick to the possibility of Shirley matching the Jane Doe based on appearance. If the info I took out is needed at a later time, and with her nieces blessing...I will share what I took out from the reply....which was more about Shirley's life; but again...not really relevant for ID purposes. Plus I don't know if I were in their shoes that I'd want info out like that regarding my Grandmother....

    "Thank you for sending the morgue photos. I still can't be sure if its Shirley. I wish I had some way of taking an old photograph of Shirley and putting it into a computer to show the aging process. The nose is like Shirleys and the mouth could be like hers downturned and something about the hairline could be too. Also, the Frews have big ears with long ear lobes and this woman look as if she had similar ears. Shirley was always so thin, but you never know what aging, cirrhosis of the liver, menopause and various other medical factors could cause a person to gain weight. I do know that my father, Shirley's brother had Type O blood, so that much holds true. And my dad was 79 when he passed away and he looked very similar to this morgue photo of this woman, so who's to say as she got older she and her brother may have grown to look similar?[/B] Or am I reading too much into this? Was this woman small boned?

    (deleted section of the mail.....don't find it relevant for ID'ing her)

    I'm going to send my Mom and my sister these photos so that they can see any similarities or family resemblance. I'll let you know if we should proceed.
    Yay Masnitram... glad you are making some headway... I hope they get back to you soon. I feel for all these families that have missing loved ones. I hope this family gets closure soon. (If this is her, then they will have a homicide case on their hands also)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaddylex View Post
    Yay Masnitram... glad you are making some headway... I hope they get back to you soon. I feel for all these families that have missing loved ones. I hope this family gets closure soon. (If this is her, then they will have a homicide case on their hands also)
    Shirley's niece is in the process of passing along the information to some of her other family members. One declined, which I can respect honestly...maybe more peace for some in not knowing...while I'm not wired that way I do understand.

    Latest email:

    "I'm going to talk to my husband about this and see what he sees in the photo. I talked with my sister tonight to see if she wanted me to forward the morgue photos so she could see if she recognizes anything, but she decided she didn't want to see the photos.

    You have a great weekend too and thank you for what you do to try to find people."

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    Honestly though, if it was a morgue photo of a sibling of mine and I had never seen morgue photos... that would be freaky to me. You just never know how gruesome the person looks, even now, it is really gross and I can't imagine KNOWING the person let alone being their relative!

    Good work on the progress, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danaya View Post
    Honestly though, if it was a morgue photo of a sibling of mine and I had never seen morgue photos... that would be freaky to me. You just never know how gruesome the person looks, even now, it is really gross and I can't imagine KNOWING the person let alone being their relative!

    Good work on the progress, though.
    In hindsight I really shouldn't have even gone there with the photos. (Rereading the forum rules would have been a good start). "Rookie" mistake...but moving forward I am going to sell this to the LE in Vernon County and where Shirley disappeared; at least to smack them up and make them take a look. I don't like making the initial call; I'll send an email and if they call great; I will certainly talk to them. (Mensch, if you read this I bet that sounds familiar ;-) ) I have gotten nowhere with Vernon County as of yet, but I should learn to be a bit more patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masnitram View Post
    In hindsight I really shouldn't have even gone there with the photos. (Rereading the forum rules would have been a good start). "Rookie" mistake...but moving forward I am going to sell this to the LE in Vernon County and where Shirley disappeared; at least to smack them up and make them take a look. I don't like making the initial call; I'll send an email and if they call great; I will certainly talk to them. (Mensch, if you read this I bet that sounds familiar ;-) ) I have gotten nowhere with Vernon County as of yet, but I should learn to be a bit more patient.
    BBM
    Yeppers! I know what ya mean. But since Le does not generally post a contact email (rare anyway) on their website, I can get away with ":stupid and cheerful". I find the Coroner's office in the county where the deceased case is and contact them. Actually, they are more interested in clearing their books and are certainly easier on the nerves. I send them an introductory email, kinda serves as a cover letter. I send a cc to some other agency in the county such as a sheriff or dps and let them know I cannot contact the originating agency. They do call back. Each wants a piece of the pie so to speak especially if it is a high-porfile case. Meanwhile the coroner, examiner or anthropologist is busy with real work!
    Sorry is this does not make sense.I just left another Chanukah party and I swear I never ate so many donuts in all my years on the force!
    Carry on Masnitram...great work!


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    OT, but Mensch, were you a police officer?

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    Yes, Danaya. I would not trade anything for the experience but would not take a million $ to do it again or more than that to recommend it to anyone.

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    Really... I've thought about it before, but I'm going to school for something entirely different and don't think I could handle the stress and working with a bunch of "alphamales". Why do you say that you wouldn't recommend it?

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    TBH it seems pretty good as long shot matches go. I see some resemblance allowing for 15 years' alcohol abuse, menopause, etc. Height is wrong - approx 4" seems quite a bit to be out, especially when the UID is taller than the misper.

    I've also done an SSDI search and there aren't any matches for Shirleys with that DOB that match. It'd be good to know, for data mining etc., where Shirley's SSN was issued so that we could look at partial matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymro View Post
    TBH it seems pretty good as long shot matches go. I see some resemblance allowing for 15 years' alcohol abuse, menopause, etc. Height is wrong - approx 4" seems quite a bit to be out, especially when the UID is taller than the misper.

    I've also done an SSDI search and there aren't any matches for Shirleys with that DOB that match. It'd be good to know, for data mining etc., where Shirley's SSN was issued so that we could look at partial matches.
    There is a photo of Shirley on the blog where she is at least a "human head" taller then the other ladies in the photo. Unless they're all 4'7" or 12 years of age (considering the photo it is safe to say they're not kids)...I'm guessing she is taller then they think. Also consider that the blog really spells out they don't much about her...even though she IS a relative.

    I'm having a really busy day so I'm not clear but...check the blog, I believe she was born in Montana....I could be wrong, but that is what is coming to mind.

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