View Poll Results: Did Patsy write the ransom note?

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    Letter by letter, the Ramseys' 1996 Christmas letter, can be jumbled and reconstituted into the SFF rn, quite nicely.

    A cut and paste word jumble, would account for the odd terminology and sentence strusture within the rn.

    The pratice 'titles', pages left within PR's pad, suggests, or was meant to suggest, that the pad contained PR's rough draft of her 1996 Christmas letter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRK SCHILLER View Post
    ames,your great!
    I was wondering if they had some internal phones or intercomunnicators, maybe he was talking to her on the phone from downstairs, thats why "listen carefully" ? anyone knows ? it is possible because the house is too big
    Sorry, I´m writing like a child,I´ve learned english long time ago :-(
    Mrs Schiller, your English is just fine. Not sure how many of you saw this, but Mrs. Schiller is Dirks Mom and he has been missing since childhood. The picture of himis age enhanced. She is Dirks Mom. Hope you don't mind me butting in here Mrs. Schiller.


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    I just read up what I could find on Mrs. Schiller's son Dirk.

    Firstly let me say I applaud your becoming involved in a site like this after what you have been through over the last 31 years. It can't be easy opening yourself up to hundreds of other stories similar to your own.

    Having said that, I simply want to make a few observations on the RN comparisons. Mostly just writing down what my brain is telling me at this moment......so be gentle.

    I believe that the ONLY way this murder will be solved is to definitively link the RN to Patsy Ramsey, and yet I see the date on this comparison...8 years ago!

    Cina Wong says on her website "it is a mistaken belief that one can identify gender from a person's handwriting" and I must say, I tend to agree.

    In my opinion, much over-analysis of the note has taken place whereby people have attempted to prove that the note shows "motherly care" and the like.

    While I believe the note is bogus and was created to muddy the waters, I don't believe a line by line analysis can be used to assess character traits of the author. Most of the analyses shown here have the suspect in mind...they are sifting the candidates through the sifter and seeing who remains.

    It's awkward to explain, but as a RDI kinda guy, and in particular PR, you must accept that she was deceptive in the following 10 years after the murder (up until her own death). Someone who can maintain that level of deception over such a period of time must surely be capable of deception when authoring a ransom note. This is the main reason I don't believe attempting to garnish details of personality are useful.

    It is the same as us saying "Well, I wouldn't have sat down and waited, I would have searched all over the house...I'd have been in a frenzy". That's an opinion and I whilst probably accurate in an observational sense, it's irrelevant if we're trying to find the author.

    Anything I hear the defense saying "I object" to because it is an opinion or a 'feeling', I am dismissing.

    So, we have the note. We have consistent matches with PR's own hand-writing from other letters. We have it on her pad with her pen....of course, anyone could have used that. We have practice note imprints visible. That's a fact, so we can use that. That gets us into how comfortable the person was....we know all that part.

    The practice notes are a little different to the actual note which tells me that the person knew what they wanted to say, but wasn't so sure how to begin.
    Remember, a good beginning and you'll hook your audience.

    But I want scientific consistency in order for me to bother connecting the further dots surrounding the note.

    What would have been nice would have been getting PR to write the note after various emotional stimuli. After all, at the time the note was written, it's safe to assume whoever wrote it was highly emotional one way or the other. Alas....

    I guess the point of my rambling post is that for those of us who are RDI proponents, we need to scientifically connect PR to the note WITHOUT the "it was written by a lady" type analysis as that is too easy to dismiss as guesswork or opinion. This thread and others examining the basics of the notes are where we should be focussing our attention in my books.

    Perhaps doing it a different way.
    Ubowski said 24 of PR's 26 alphabet letters matched the note.
    Statistically speaking....the odds of matching 24 of the 26 letters is 1 : 16,777,216 (I'm saying 50/50 chance of a match on each letter to the power of 24).
    Just less than one in 17 million...and that's letter matches alone.
    Word matches and phrasing adds to that. I would also add variations like the é in attaché.

    I know this still leaves room for someone to say "There are over 6 billion people in the world.", however, we weren't all in the area on the night in question. Pretty sure a massive chunk of the world has an alibi.


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    Wonder,

    I think your brilliant!
    There are things that we don't want to happen but have to accept, things we don't want to know but have to learn, and people we can't live without but have to let go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agatha_C View Post
    Wonder,

    I think your brilliant!
    Ditto!
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

    This post is my constitutionally-protected opinion. Please do not copy or take it anywhere else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderllama View Post
    I just read up what I could find on Mrs. Schiller's son Dirk.

    Firstly let me say I applaud your becoming involved in a site like this after what you have been through over the last 31 years. It can't be easy opening yourself up to hundreds of other stories similar to your own.

    Having said that, I simply want to make a few observations on the RN comparisons. Mostly just writing down what my brain is telling me at this moment......so be gentle.

    I believe that the ONLY way this murder will be solved is to definitively link the RN to Patsy Ramsey, and yet I see the date on this comparison...8 years ago!

    Cina Wong says on her website "it is a mistaken belief that one can identify gender from a person's handwriting" and I must say, I tend to agree.

    In my opinion, much over-analysis of the note has taken place whereby people have attempted to prove that the note shows "motherly care" and the like.

    While I believe the note is bogus and was created to muddy the waters, I don't believe a line by line analysis can be used to assess character traits of the author. Most of the analyses shown here have the suspect in mind...they are sifting the candidates through the sifter and seeing who remains.

    It's awkward to explain, but as a RDI kinda guy, and in particular PR, you must accept that she was deceptive in the following 10 years after the murder (up until her own death). Someone who can maintain that level of deception over such a period of time must surely be capable of deception when authoring a ransom note. This is the main reason I don't believe attempting to garnish details of personality are useful.

    It is the same as us saying "Well, I wouldn't have sat down and waited, I would have searched all over the house...I'd have been in a frenzy". That's an opinion and I whilst probably accurate in an observational sense, it's irrelevant if we're trying to find the author.

    Anything I hear the defense saying "I object" to because it is an opinion or a 'feeling', I am dismissing.

    So, we have the note. We have consistent matches with PR's own hand-writing from other letters. We have it on her pad with her pen....of course, anyone could have used that. We have practice note imprints visible. That's a fact, so we can use that. That gets us into how comfortable the person was....we know all that part.

    The practice notes are a little different to the actual note which tells me that the person knew what they wanted to say, but wasn't so sure how to begin.
    Remember, a good beginning and you'll hook your audience.

    But I want scientific consistency in order for me to bother connecting the further dots surrounding the note.

    What would have been nice would have been getting PR to write the note after various emotional stimuli. After all, at the time the note was written, it's safe to assume whoever wrote it was highly emotional one way or the other. Alas....

    I guess the point of my rambling post is that for those of us who are RDI proponents, we need to scientifically connect PR to the note WITHOUT the "it was written by a lady" type analysis as that is too easy to dismiss as guesswork or opinion. This thread and others examining the basics of the notes are where we should be focussing our attention in my books.

    Perhaps doing it a different way.
    Ubowski said 24 of PR's 26 alphabet letters matched the note.
    Statistically speaking....the odds of matching 24 of the 26 letters is 1 : 16,777,216 (I'm saying 50/50 chance of a match on each letter to the power of 24).
    Just less than one in 17 million...and that's letter matches alone.
    Word matches and phrasing adds to that. I would also add variations like the é in attaché.

    I know this still leaves room for someone to say "There are over 6 billion people in the world.", however, we weren't all in the area on the night in question. Pretty sure a massive chunk of the world has an alibi.
    And have her write it with the SAME EXACT sharpie that the RN "author" used. That one was taken into evidence. Sharpies are the same as magic markers...the more they are used...the more the tip spreads out. They are not all going to write the same way, depending on how often they have been used.
    "This time we get it right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agatha_C View Post
    Wonder,

    I think your brilliant!
    I second that!
    Vae Victus! (May the conquered suffer!)
    Celerem vindictam manu! (Swift hand of vengeance!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    And have her write it with the SAME EXACT sharpie that the RN "author" used. That one was taken into evidence. Sharpies are the same as magic markers...the more they are used...the more the tip spreads out. They are not all going to write the same way, depending on how often they have been used.
    I think you were the first to point that out, weren't you, Ames.
    Vae Victus! (May the conquered suffer!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    I think you were the first to point that out, weren't you, Ames.
    Yes I was SD...and I have been harping on it for years!! LOL
    "This time we get it right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Yes I was SD...and I have been harping on it for years!! LOL
    Good. People should remember it.
    Vae Victus! (May the conquered suffer!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    Good. People should remember it.
    I think that it's possible that there could be even MORE consistancies between Patsy's handwriting, and the RN authors...IF the same Sharpie pen had of been used. But now...we will never know. What a shame!!!
    "This time we get it right."


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    Following on from my post on friday...

    Aside from the excellent letter by letter matches for PR, what other 'evidence' exists for the RN.

    Did we get fingerprints?
    Did we get any DNA?
    It was on the floor (allegedly), so what floor materials were found on it?
    What exactly was written on the practice notes (or the imprints of them)?

    Re: the practice note, I see it began "Mr & Mrs" and yet the actual note is simply addressed to "Mr Ramsey". Ampersand is another awkward letter to write, do we have a comparison of that with PR?

    Speculation time of course, but what would change the kidnapper's mind about including Mrs Ramsey in the note I wonder?

    What of the rest of the notepad and pen? Same thing...DNA? Fingerprints?

    Just wondering aloud...how were the pages torn? Neatly? How much noise is made when tearing those pages from the pad or screwing up a page from a practice effort?
    Do ransomers edit? Do they say "Oh darn, I didn't want to include that person, I'll use another bit of paper" or would they simply scribble it out, like the part scribbled on the 3rd line or the second page?

    When I read the note, I can't help thinking of that fantastic scene at the end of 'The Usual Suspects' when Agent Kujan turns and realises the entire story he just heard was garnished from everything posted on the wall behind him. I wonder what was on the walls in the kitchen or basement area of the Ramsey's house....


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeskidbeck View Post
    Regardless of who killed JonBenet. I firmly believe that Patsy wrote the note, nothing will ever change my mind on that. The writing is identical.
    Absolutely, there can be dueling experts, but seeing is believing.
    “It saddens me that 20 years after my sister Nicole’s murder, we are still seeing the same crimes, just different names, over and over again.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    Cynic, I have to ask: where did you get them?
    Well, I am sharing with you all a bit of an early Christmas present which I received, Michelle Dresbold’s book, Sex, Lies and Handwriting (with Cina Wong’s analysis.)
    “It saddens me that 20 years after my sister Nicole’s murder, we are still seeing the same crimes, just different names, over and over again.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Heck yeah, she wrote the RN. The letters are all written the same, Patsy and the rn "author" make their q's look like 8's...and if you look closely (Enlarge it and you can REALLY see)...they both put little "hooks" at the end of their letters that have a tail....for example Y.
    No doubt in my mind.
    Last edited by cynic; 01-04-2013 at 03:14 AM. Reason: Cina Wong's copyrighted work removed by request
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