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  1. #421
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    One thing that always comes to my mind when I think about things that could have caused Jennifer to leave her condo that night, is the DVD player. I think it could be possible that she may have decided on the spur of the moment to run out and bring it in. Or, maybe even in the morning, she thought she would take a minute to run it up to her condo, dropped her purse and briefcase in the front seat, and she was overcome by the abductor as she went to open the back car door and unstrap it?

    It doesn't offer any plausible reason for the perp to move her car, but I always ponder on this.

  2. #422
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    I too have never understood what could have lured Jennifer out of her condo that night.
    It is accepted that she was tucked up in bed when her phone call to boyfriend Rob concluded about 9:57 pm.
    It must have been a tiring day, even for a 24 year old.

    There may have been more than one perpetrator and they had a key to her condo.
    If she was abducted in the condo she must have been ordered to take her purse and I assume the missing car keys and ipod were in the purse.

    These thoughts are dependent upon the cell phones being powered off at 10:40pm.
    Mr Kesse has stated this happened.
    The only question I have regarding this is where did Mr Kesse get this information from? LE or another crime site?

    A morning abduction appeals as the more plausible scenario.

    I am simply thinking aloud here. This always has been a frustrating mystery where 2 + 2 seems to equal 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myserty64 View Post
    I too have never understood what could have lured Jennifer out of her condo that night.
    It is accepted that she was tucked up in bed when her phone call to boyfriend Rob concluded about 9:57 pm.
    It must have been a tiring day, even for a 24 year old.

    There may have been more than one perpetrator and they had a key to her condo.
    If she was abducted in the condo she must have been ordered to take her purse and I assume the missing car keys and ipod were in the purse.

    These thoughts are dependent upon the cell phones being powered off at 10:40pm.
    Mr Kesse has stated this happened.
    The only question I have regarding this is where did Mr Kesse get this information from? LE or another crime site?

    A morning abduction appeals as the more plausible scenario.

    I am simply thinking aloud here. This always has been a frustrating mystery where 2 + 2 seems to equal 5.
    More recently I've leaned toward an evening abduction. BUT there are parts of this that do fit a morning abduction. The wet shower and towel. Jennifer's clothes laid out on the bed. Her briefcase missing. And lastly, if someone was trying to lure Jennifer out of the condo that evening after 10PM at the end of a long day that as not a sure thing as waiting for her when she leaves the condo. And if the abduction occurred between her condo and her car, the suspect would likely have his own vehicle in the condo parking lot. Hence, the need to walk back to condo after parking her car at HOTG.

    In the morning? That had to be a quick, brazen attack. A blitz attack. Something to overpower her quickly. Even if the attacker threatened her with a gun, he would have to drive her through Orlando morning traffic and that is risky. No, I believe if it happened in the morning then when she was driven out of the lot she was likely incapacitated - probably from blunt force to the head. Still it would seem to be more risky than at night.
    Justice might be blind, but Karma has the vision of a hawk. ~ Connie Fletcher, crime author

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    I don't think she was abducted in that traditional sense at all - I think she voluntarily met up with someone and the foul play occurred after that. I mentioned once that if it were in the morning, I think someone she knew and trusted was walking outside, and she offered them a ride. Remember too that Jennifer was young, pretty tall, and fit - and I get the sense that she was a serious and determined woman; when I was in Law Enforcement a woman like her probably would have required myself and at least 1, if not 2 other male officers to take her down and get her under control had she decided to fight - and I just cannot see Jennifer qing along quietly with an abductor. I think she was deceived, and then surprised.
    I'm so afraid that no one will believe me until after I have taken the seat that I fear has been saved for me in the darkness.

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    Thanks for the sound info hec60504.

    Well that leaves two suspects for mine.

    I won't name them here but one is an ex-boyfriend who followed Jennifer to Orlando.
    The other is a workplace acquaintance.

    Of course it could be neither.
    It is quite possible there is someone else she knew lurking in the background. A person whose existence we are unaware of.

    With the two people I mentioned above I would have thought a tough interview by detectives would have cracked the case open.

    This is one tough case. No crime scene, no body, no witnesses.

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    The trouble with 'the person she knew' as the perpetrator theory is this:

    Where does the POI fit in? The POI obviously isn't one of the people she knew.

    If the POI was innocently parking the car as a favor why hasn't this person come forward?

    As a final thought just what do LE have in the murder book? There were at least seven folders overflowing with papers in a documentary I saw.

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    I've always thought that the POI who returned her car was an employee or acquaintance of the subject. I think the subject may have said something like, "hey, can you return my GF's car - but bring it to this other lot instead because her parents may be at her house and they would just kill me if they knew I was driving her car". I think the POI did not come forward because he may not have known that JK was the subject's GF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myserty64 View Post
    The trouble with 'the person she knew' as the perpetrator theory is this:

    Where does the POI fit in? The POI obviously isn't one of the people she knew.

    If the POI was innocently parking the car as a favor why hasn't this person come forward?

    As a final thought just what do LE have in the murder book? There were at least seven folders overflowing with papers in a documentary I saw.
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    I'm so afraid that no one will believe me until after I have taken the seat that I fear has been saved for me in the darkness.

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    A boyfriend who followed Jennifer to Orlando? That's pretty obsessive! I wonder if the police ever put the screws to him and turned them hard. When I went for my forensic interviewing training, I watched a video of a police detective who was questioning a man who they suspected killed his wife. The investigator kept asking the suspect, "you killed you wife because you didn't love her, right"? The suspect answered each time with a resounding, "NO!". Another investigator came in and asked the suspect, "let me guess; you loved your wife very very much - you guys got into an argument, it got heated, and you killed her". The suspect paused for a moment, and then said, "I loved my wife so much, and yeah I killed her". I've seen so many detectives just do terrible forensic interviews - I mean like they didn't even plan them out. Just look at when the detective interviews Burke Ramsey - watch that video. Burke controlled the entire interview; he was crawling all over the couch, etc. The detective never set any ground rules with him. Sometimes this kind of poor police work just makes me want to cry - a bad interview can spoil the entire case.


    Quote Originally Posted by Myserty64 View Post
    Thanks for the sound info hec60504.

    Well that leaves two suspects for mine.

    I won't name them here but one is an ex-boyfriend who followed Jennifer to Orlando.
    The other is a workplace acquaintance.

    Of course it could be neither.
    It is quite possible there is someone else she knew lurking in the background. A person whose existence we are unaware of.

    With the two people I mentioned above I would have thought a tough interview by detectives would have cracked the case open.

    This is one tough case. No crime scene, no body, no witnesses.
    I'm so afraid that no one will believe me until after I have taken the seat that I fear has been saved for me in the darkness.

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