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    Out of place items in Ramsey home

    Lets take a look at the following items that were out of place in the Ramsey home. Maybe we can come up with a new timeline or perhaps even a new theory. If anyone wants to add any items I have forgotten, feel free to do so.

    Second floor: Paring knife & Pull-ups in the laundry area. Soiled pants & balled up turtleneck found in JB's bathroom.

    First Floor: Flashlite on kitchen counter, bowl of pineapple, glass of tea, kleenex in breakfast room, pillow in the kitchen. Sippy cup & Johns bathrobe in the den.

    Basement: Swiss army knife in boiler room counter, broken paintbrush in boiler room. Barbie dolls, barbie nitegown, JonBenet's blanket & JonBenet's body in the wine cellar.

    These items alone can one make a theory of what happened.

    Anyone have a theory using these out-of-place items?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec View Post
    Lets take a look at the following items that were out of place in the Ramsey home. Maybe we can come up with a new timeline or perhaps even a new theory. If anyone wants to add any items I have forgotten, feel free to do so.

    Second floor: Paring knife & Pull-ups in the laundry area. Soiled pants & balled up turtleneck found in JB's bathroom.

    First Floor: Flashlite on kitchen counter, bowl of pineapple, glass of tea, kleenex in breakfast room, pillow in the kitchen. Sippy cup & Johns bathrobe in the den.

    Basement: Swiss army knife in boiler room counter, broken paintbrush in boiler room. Barbie dolls, barbie nitegown, JonBenet's blanket & JonBenet's body in the wine cellar.

    These items alone can one make a theory of what happened.

    Anyone have a theory using these out-of-place items?
    Toltec,
    Sure do. Same old, same old. Someone at a late stage recognized the current staging included a resident as a potential suspect in a sexual assault, hence a revision of the staging was required. Which must have been quite late, since some elements of the prior staging were left behind, not unless you reckon there was no prior staging?

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    Toltec...

    Excellent post and new idea. I need to think about it, but the order in which you listed then, well, I think it tells you where it started, where it went and where it ended. Now to think about the individual items..

    Again excellent post..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec View Post
    Lets take a look at the following items that were out of place in the Ramsey home. Maybe we can come up with a new timeline or perhaps even a new theory. If anyone wants to add any items I have forgotten, feel free to do so.

    Second floor: Paring knife & Pull-ups in the laundry area. Soiled pants & balled up turtleneck found in JB's bathroom.

    First Floor: Flashlite on kitchen counter, bowl of pineapple, glass of tea, kleenex in breakfast room, pillow in the kitchen. Sippy cup & Johns bathrobe in the den.

    Basement: Swiss army knife in boiler room counter, broken paintbrush in boiler room. Barbie dolls, barbie nitegown, JonBenet's blanket & JonBenet's body in the wine cellar.

    These items alone can one make a theory of what happened.

    Anyone have a theory using these out-of-place items?
    Before we try to recreate anything based on these items, maybe we should consider that some of them have other explanations for being out of place? For example, perhaps John's bathrobe is in the den because he got a new robe for Christmas, took this one off, put on the new one and left the old one just lying there?

    [Sippy cup? Who in the heck in this family still drank out of a sippy cup? Kids outgrow sippy cups well before the age of six! Had JBR reverted to sippy cups like she'd reverted to pre-potty-trained days?]

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    Quote Originally Posted by my_tee_mouse View Post
    Before we try to recreate anything based on these items, maybe we should consider that some of them have other explanations for being out of place? For example, perhaps John's bathrobe is in the den because he got a new robe for Christmas, took this one off, put on the new one and left the old one just lying there?

    [Sippy cup? Who in the heck in this family still drank out of a sippy cup? Kids outgrow sippy cups well before the age of six! Had JBR reverted to sippy cups like she'd reverted to pre-potty-trained days?]
    Good point about the sippy cup, mtm. I have a question about one of the items. The pillow found in the kitchen, this is the first time I've heard this.
    I also agree that you can take the items listed, in the way they are listed, and come up with a theory and a timeline. MOO

    One more thing, the bathrobe being in the den might explain why John read the rn in his underwear (I hate even typing that) Maybe he forgot where he left it the night before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeskidbeck View Post
    Good point about the sippy cup, mtm. I have a question about one of the items. The pillow found in the kitchen, this is the first time I've heard this.
    I also agree that you can take the items listed, in the way they are listed, and come up with a theory and a timeline. MOO

    One more thing, the bathrobe being in the den might explain why John read the rn in his underwear (I hate even typing that) Maybe he forgot where he left it the night before?
    John was the neat freak in the family...he would have never left his bathrobe downstairs...unless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec View Post
    John was the neat freak in the family...he would have never left his bathrobe downstairs...unless...
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    John might have left his robe in the den that morning, Christmas due to having to get up really early for the kids to open presents. The only thing that seems out of place to me is the paring knife and pillow in the kitchen, but I thought the cleaning lady said she hid one of the knives in the cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by my_tee_mouse View Post

    [Sippy cup? Who in the heck in this family still drank out of a sippy cup? Kids outgrow sippy cups well before the age of six! Had JBR reverted to sippy cups like she'd reverted to pre-potty-trained days?]
    Yes, my_tee_mouse, you would think so, wouldn't you?
    Perhaps JB didn't use one at the table or in the kitchen, but someone who was worried about stains (RED or Orange Koolaid or Grape Juice perhaps?) or (milk?)spills on a nice rug or some piece of expensive furniture gave it to her to drink in a room where spills would be frowned upon.

    Maybe JB loved that cup and resisted giving it up, some kids just like them. Was there a Barbie or such on the cup? Many of those cups are pretty gender specific. Is there a good description of the sippy cup?

    I've known people who break their kids from using them in the home but continue using them in the car for quite a while longer. Fill the cup, get the kid and rush to the car. No spills, a happy kid, and no GLASS to break in the car.

    Or what if someone filled that cup and took it with them when they went to get JB in order to quiet her while they carried her downstairs while wearing their robe? Did the R's say it was theirs or did they deny it? Were they both asked about it... separately? Was the cup tested for fingerprints and contents and the kitchen checked for the same beverage?

    How big was the robe? Did PR ever wear it? Some women like to wear their husbands robes. Was the robe tested? Anyone here know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    John might have left his robe in the den that morning, Christmas due to having to get up really early for the kids to open presents. The only thing that seems out of place to me is the paring knife and pillow in the kitchen, but I thought the cleaning lady said she hid one of the knives in the cabinet.
    I thought it was a Swiss Army Knife she said PR took away from BR and hid in the laundry cupboard and it was found under JB? Has this been confirmed?


    Thanks!
    Last edited by Steely; 12-09-2010 at 09:30 PM. Reason: My mistake, so sorry! Paring knife in LAUNDRY not kitchen!


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    What about the partially wrapped FAO Schwartz present seen in the crime scene photos? How would that fit in? I think that is really odd...here it was Christmas Day...but in the evening/night and there's a partially wrapped present by her lifeless body. What was in it? Who was it for? What did PR and JR say about THAT? Was it partially wrapped or partially UNWRAPPED? PR said she wrapped presents down in the basement. Did she only partially wrap them too? Was it an undelivered present being stored downstairs that one of the kids started to open but was caught red handed or interrupted by someone going into the basement? Was it a "secret" gift given when everyone else was sleeping by one parent which was a reward for keeping "their little secret"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely View Post
    What about the partially wrapped FAO Schwartz present seen in the crime scene photos? How would that fit in? I think that is really odd...here it was Christmas Day...but in the evening/night and there's a partially wrapped present by her lifeless body. What was in it? Who was it for? What did PR and JR say about THAT? Was it partially wrapped or partially UNWRAPPED? PR said she wrapped presents down in the basement. Did she only partially wrap them too? Was it an undelivered present being stored downstairs that one of the kids started to open but was caught red handed or interrupted by someone going into the basement? Was it a "secret" gift given when everyone else was sleeping by one parent which was a reward for keeping "their little secret"?
    Well, if you're RDI, the partially UNwrapped present (as opposed to partially wrapped) contained the package of the set of Bloomies day-of-the-week panties from which the size 12 Bloomies panties JB was wearing when her body was found came.
    The wooden latch on the WC door was there to keep the kids out of that room. It was high up at the top of the door, so high up that the first police officer on the scene to do down the basement did not see it, and failed to open that door, which, on the other side was JB's body and an UNcontaminated crime scene. The kids would not have been able to get in the room with the latch in place.
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    I forgot one more item....JonBenet's pink pajama bottoms. I recall reading somewhere in the Patsy Ramsey interrogation that she was asked why JonBenet's pink pajama bottoms were in Burke's bedroom.
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    Toltec,

    I did not know that. Why were her pj pants found in BR's room? I need to go and find that little piece of info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec View Post
    I forgot one more item....JonBenet's pink pajama bottoms. I recall reading somewhere in the Patsy Ramsey interrogation that she was asked why JonBenet's pink pajama bottoms were in Burke's bedroom.
    I know when they showed her the picture of the basement floor with the white blanket and the pink barbie nightgown she commented that (the pink nightgown) wasn't suppose to be there, could that be what you are thinking about?

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