1203 users online (220 members and 983 guests)  



Websleuths News


Page 1 of 48 1 2 3 11 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 717
  1. #1

    VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #4

    Last edited by KateB; 05-23-2015 at 01:47 AM. Reason: repair url tags.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Emerald City
    Posts
    6,476
    In cases like this where a teen supposedly left *willingly* (at least in some peoples eyes) with a suspect do the cops that work the prostitute beats get their data? Seems like if you had a chance to catch a girl working the streets your best shot is when they are new, scared and not street savvy.

    With this case and Jean Marie's I just worry about "men" with no assets, no money, and no way to secure a job traveling with young girls..... it just seems like the obvious place they are going to surface.

    And then to compound the issue, the people who would see these girls are not likely to be calling a tip line to say they were soliciting sex with underage girls and think they recogonize the girl from a flyer.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    8
    I don't understand the term going willingly when it comes to a 12 year old. Yes, a lot of girls are growing up faster than most of us did, but mentally they are still 12.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Emerald City
    Posts
    6,476
    Quote Originally Posted by nannyjd View Post
    I don't understand the term going willingly when it comes to a 12 year old. Yes, a lot of girls are growing up faster than most of us did, but mentally they are still 12.
    I totally agree. I posted in the last thread CBS running a headline that says Brittany involved with murdered mom's beau? like it was some torrid love triangle.

    But for the ones that are manipulated into going and quickly find themselves in over their head on the run with a violent man with no money, seems like they are likely to end up being forced to trade sex for money.

    I was wondering how aware the vice cops are with the newly missing girls, and if reward money is heavily advertised among the sex trade workers who are the most likely to see them and the least likely to invite LE into their own lives.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    180
    Quote Originally Posted by nannyjd View Post
    I don't understand the term going willingly when it comes to a 12 year old. Yes, a lot of girls are growing up faster than most of us did, but mentally they are still 12.
    Her own family has come out and said they believe she went willingly...so there must be something indicating that she "wanted" to go with him. We don't know all of the details of the relationship between JE and BS. I'm sure manipulation and control was a large part of it, but this could be something that makes people...her own family included...think she wanted to go with him. Then obviously if she knew about/witnessed her mother's murder, she was probably incredibly scared and after he told her God knows what, she decided she'd go with him. I agree with you that most 12 year olds wouldn't just up and say they wanted to go away with a 32 year old man, but most 12 year olds don't even have any sort of non-familial relationship with a 32 year old man. I'm not trying to blame her for everything, but I feel that this situation could have been prevented but a lot of variables kept that from happening. JMO.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    8
    Very good question. Is there even a reward for info on Brittany? If so I've not read it anywhere.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    5,151
    Quote Originally Posted by nannyjd View Post
    I don't understand the term going willingly when it comes to a 12 year old. Yes, a lot of girls are growing up faster than most of us did, but mentally they are still 12.
    I totally get what you are saying and agree with you on it. However I think maybe where some people are coming from is that yes 12 year olds are children but not all of them innocent in what they do to either. I've said this before and will say it again. I know of six children aged from 12 to 15 that have snuck out of their parents home to be with older boys. I know that you probably wonder where the parents are and I can assure you if that if they were aware of what the kids were doing that those kids would be in trouble! You would not believe how rebellious and sneaky these kids have become today just to get what they want.

    I can tell you one of those kids between that age range is 13 years old left with an 18 year old boy to go racing when she was supposed to be babysitting her brother & did not get home until 6AM. Her 15 year old sister took over for her. When their mother found out about it she got her cell phone taken away from her & was grounded for like 3 weeks over it. Her sister is out of control too sneaking off and lying. I'm just saying that kids these days some of them are out of control and if they can't get what they want will sneak around etc just to get what they want. I've babysat both those girls so I know how they are.

    Another situation that involved a 12 year old girl who was sneaking was shocking to me! OMG i was so SHOCKED when her friend told me last weekend that this girl was sneaking out to meet boys that lived down the street from her. I babysat her and her siblings in the past and I know that first hand the parental figure(her grandmother) would be absolutely LIVID if she knew about it. I was shocked when I found out because I didn't know how the hell she'd get away with it!

    There was also a case where a 14 year old girl was going to sneak out to meet a junior boy to have sex with him but she ended up getting caught/grounded for it.

    All I am saying is that kids these days if they don't get what they want or if their parents are to strict they SNEAK around just to get what they want or do what they want. I don't know if it was like this with Brittany but if she did go with this guy willingly(regardless of the fact that it is still a crime) that to me anyways it is not that far off simply because I know of the cases of around here.
    Last edited by WillenFan21; 12-10-2010 at 02:31 AM.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    8
    Willen, I total know what you are saying. Just last week we woke to the neighbor and her 15 year old in a screaming match. She has climbed out her window and was trying to get back in before her Mom woke. She had left to meet up with a 20 year old who was leaving for basic training. I know their bodies may look like they are grown, but mentally they are still just children. I do think there was some kind of sick relationship between BS and JE. As I read through their MS stats I was like WTH. I just do not see how this was missed by others in her life.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    5,151
    Quote Originally Posted by illeKllaH View Post
    Her own family has come out and said they believe she went willingly...so there must be something indicating that she "wanted" to go with him. We don't know all of the details of the relationship between JE and BS. I'm sure manipulation and control was a large part of it, but this could be something that makes people...her own family included...think she wanted to go with him. Then obviously if she knew about/witnessed her mother's murder, she was probably incredibly scared and after he told her God knows what, she decided she'd go with him. I agree with you that most 12 year olds wouldn't just up and say they wanted to go away with a 32 year old man, but most 12 year olds don't even have any sort of non-familial relationship with a 32 year old man. I'm not trying to blame her for everything, but I feel that this situation could have been prevented but a lot of variables kept that from happening. JMO.

    I totally agree with you! I think this could quite possibly be a case where this girl wanted to have a relationship with him & the mother(rightfully so) was completely against it causing the child to rebel against her. Obviously we'd be thinking the opposite but this scenario shouldn't be ruled out at all in my opinion.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    56
    Quote Originally Posted by nannyjd View Post
    I don't understand the term going willingly when it comes to a 12 year old. Yes, a lot of girls are growing up faster than most of us did, but mentally they are still 12.
    From the time we draw breath we have a will...we do not always make the correct/best choices but whatever choices we make we do it willingly or willfully. A 12 year old can not be trusted to make the best choices but that does not prevent them from making them. I prefer to believe that JE managed to intimidate, bully, persuade, coerce or cajole BS to accompany him in his flight, blissfully unaware her mother lay dead in the family home. BUT I have toyed with the possiblity that BS was perfectly aware of her mother's demise and made a conscious decision to leave with JE. I have even entertained the possiblity that it was she who may have caused her mother harm and JE swept her away to protect her. I have wondered if the two of them committed this act together and ran like the wind. None of these are out of the realm of possiblities... a 14 year old boy in Naples, FL killed both his parents today as they lay in their bed...that said - I still think JE should be hung by the testicles when caught and he WILL be caught. BS will be...no, already is, a casualty. Whether it is physical, mental or emotional remains to be seen.


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    180
    Quote Originally Posted by nannyjd View Post
    Willen, I total know what you are saying. Just last week we woke to the neighbor and her 15 year old in a screaming match. She has climbed out her window and was trying to get back in before her Mom woke. She had left to meet up with a 20 year old who was leaving for basic training. I know their bodies may look like they are grown, but mentally they are still just children. I do think there was some kind of sick relationship between BS and JE. As I read through their MS stats I was like WTH. I just do not see how this was missed by others in her life.
    BBM. I think most would absolutely agree that it's insane that it was missed or nothing was done about it. I have to believe that if the extended family was able to pick up on it while in the presence of JE for the first time and for, more than likely, a few hours for Thanksgiving, then others HAD to see it. I've seen it before where mothers and daughters will, in essence, compete for the same guy (sick thought in this case) and whichever doesn't get the guy...well, there's a lot of animosity. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case. Was the mom so overcome with grief over the loss of her son that she overlooked what was taking place? Do we know what the relationship was like between TS and BS was like since the brother died...and more recently since JE moved in? All of the different MS posts have me utterly confused as to who did and said what. As others said, I'm not so sure I buy the friend's story that BS contacted her a week ago telling her she was scared of this happening. I also have some concern as to what BS meant in her last MS message on the 2nd.
    Last edited by illeKllaH; 12-10-2010 at 03:00 AM.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    5,151
    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmorose View Post
    From the time we draw breath we have a will...we do not always make the correct/best choices but whatever choices we make we do it willingly or willfully. A 12 year old can not be trusted to make the best choices but that does not prevent them from making them. I prefer to believe that JE managed to intimidate, bully, persuade, coerce or cajole BS to accompany him in his flight, blissfully unaware her mother lay dead in the family home. BUT I have toyed with the possiblity that BS was perfectly aware of her mother's demise and made a conscious decision to leave with JE. I have even entertained the possiblity that it was she who may have caused her mother harm and JE swept her away to protect her. I have wondered if the two of them committed this act together and ran like the wind. None of these are out of the realm of possiblities... a 14 year old boy in Naples, FL killed both his parents today as they lay in their bed...that said - I still think JE should be hung by the testicles when caught and he WILL be caught. BS will be...no, already is, a casualty. Whether it is physical, mental or emotional remains to be seen.
    I totally agree with you!! My theory is that Brittany could have possibly wanted to have a relationship with JE and that her mom was completely against it. I think that JE and BS came up with the plan to leave town & that either BS was unaware that JE planned to murder her mom or that BS helped with the crime. IDK.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    8
    I put a link in the other thread, before it was closed ,that shows he doesn't care to harm himself to get what he wants. It just sickens me to think of what he has put this family through for his own sick gratification. My daughter is 23 with two babies of her own and to her 32 is still very old. IMO a child that is rebelling only see what they want to see.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    5,151
    Oh I have been meaning to post about something you guys might find interesting but I keep forgetting. I was babysitting for my neighbor tonight and I siwtched the TV onto Nancy Grace just to see the beginning if there was any new leads on this case. One of the kids that I was babysitting is a 12 year old girl & when the people on Nancy Grace were talking about Brittany it got her attention. They were showing pics of BS on TV and the girl I was babysitting was looking at the pictures. She looked at me and was like "She does not look 12 years old. She looks like she is 16." I just thought that was interesting coming from a 12 year old! I had thought the same thing that BS didn't look 12! lol

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    8
    I seen a dramatic change in her appearance from the photos from before her brothers death till the ones I seen after. She did seem more around the age of 16 in the later photos. I know it has been a year since he past, but she seems to have change even in the way she dressed. In no way am I blaming this child, but I too pray she had no idea what was going to happen to her mother.

Page 1 of 48 1 2 3 11 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. GUILTY VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #8
    By imamaze in forum Recently Sentenced and Beyond
    Replies: 388
    Last Post: 08-13-2012, 08:16 PM
  2. GUILTY VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #7
    By imamaze in forum Recently Sentenced and Beyond
    Replies: 510
    Last Post: 12-17-2010, 01:39 PM
  3. GUILTY VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #5
    By imamaze in forum Recently Sentenced and Beyond
    Replies: 573
    Last Post: 12-12-2010, 01:46 PM
  4. GUILTY VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #2
    By KaylynnCouture in forum Recently Sentenced and Beyond
    Replies: 726
    Last Post: 12-09-2010, 02:12 AM
  5. GUILTY VA - Tina Smith, 41, slain, 12yo daughter abducted, Salem, 2 Dec 2010 - #1
    By LLLindsayy in forum Recently Sentenced and Beyond
    Replies: 559
    Last Post: 12-07-2010, 10:50 PM

Tags for this Thread