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    http://www.fox9.com/news/investigators/221475167-story

    Stearns County investigators are taking a new look at one of Minnesota's most notorious murder mysteries, the unsolved case of two St. Cloud girls killed 42 years ago...

    Chief Deputy of the Stearns County Sheriff's office, Bruce Bechtold said they are looking at the case like it is brand new. "We haven't done any DNA analysis on any of the evidence we have for six, seven years," said Bechtold.

    Among the items to be re-tested at the stateís crime lab are the clothes of Mary and Sue.

    Stearns County is also putting additional investigators on the case.

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    Notch worked at Zayre Shopper City, where the Reker girls were last seen, which was located in the Plaza West Shopping Center. He also lived near the shopping center in the 200 block of 1st Ave North as seen in the Google map below.

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    I'm not sure I agree with you regarding Notch's residence in 1974. My information is that he lived in the rural Luxemburg area, about 2 miles from where the girls' grandparents lived - the place where Mary stayed over a lot in the weeks just prior to the murders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilynilpa View Post
    I find it odd that 12 year old Susanne was stabbed 13 times, over twice as many wounds as Mary. From what I can tell, Susanne's body was clothed, and she was found in tall grass near the edge of the rock quarry.

    15 year old Mary, who wrote in her diary that she had reason to fear for her life, was found nude
    40 feet below the water and was nude. She had been stabbed 6 times.

    I wonder if any of Sussnne's wounds were shallow, as if the killer had to work up the "courage" to inflict a fatal wound or wounds? And were Mary's wounds deeper and more deadly, making it unnecessary to stab her so many times? And was there any sign of sexual assault re: either girl?

    I also wonder if the condition of the bodies indicated that the two girls had been there from the day of their abduction? If so, did LE have evidence that the girls were killed at the quarry, or could this have just been a dump site?

    I need to read all of the posts on this thread to see if these questions have been addressed. It has been quite a while when I first posted on here.
    I agree on the difference in the number of stab wounds - it's quite interesting. The wounds were made with a small, double-edged knife.

    Another interesting factor is the lack of defensive wounds on the bodies. Although I discount that somewhat in Susie's case, since her body was badly decomposed.

    There was no obvious signs of sexual assault, but due to decomposition investigators could not be certain of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELOCsoul View Post
    I agree on the difference in the number of stab wounds - it's quite interesting. The wounds were made with a small, double-edged knife.

    Another interesting factor is the lack of defensive wounds on the bodies. Although I discount that somewhat in Susie's case, since her body was badly decomposed.

    There was no obvious signs of sexual assault, but due to decomposition investigators could not be certain of that.
    So sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilynilpa View Post
    I find it odd that 12 year old Susanne was stabbed 13 times, over twice as many wounds as Mary. From what I can tell, Susanne's body was clothed, and she was found in tall grass near the edge of the rock quarry.

    15 year old Mary, who wrote in her diary that she had reason to fear for her life, was found nude
    40 feet below the water and was nude. She had been stabbed 6 times.

    I wonder if any of Sussnne's wounds were shallow, as if the killer had to work up the "courage" to inflict a fatal wound or wounds? And were Mary's wounds deeper and more deadly, making it unnecessary to stab her so many times? And was there any sign of sexual assault re: either girl?

    I also wonder if the condition of the bodies indicated that the two girls had been there from the day of their abduction? If so, did LE have evidence that the girls were killed at the quarry, or could this have just been a dump site?

    I need to read all of the posts on this thread to see if these questions have been addressed. It has been quite a while when I first posted on here.
    I wonder if the father had something to do with this. Because she wrote in her diary about being fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasestandby View Post
    <snip> It would be interesting to know what type of school supplies were so urgently needed on a non-school-day holiday that they convinced a reluctant parent to let them go or whether that was just an excuse to go meet someone. <snip>
    I read the mom's quote a bit differently - not that she was particularly reluctant to let them go, but just that she was not the one who wanted them to go. There doesn't seem to be any reason she would have been reluctant to allow it; from what I've read, they don't mention anything the girls would have been missing anything by going or that it was the first time they were allowed to walk to the center.

    It's just worded a bit oddly, and of course every parent thinks, if only they hadn't gone.

    I do think the school supplies were likely an excuse, I just don't think they had to convince their parents to let them go.

    From the link: “I didn’t want them to go very badly but they needed some school supplies. They were going to be back quickly.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasestandby View Post
    <snip> It would be interesting to know what type of school supplies were so urgently needed on a non-school-day holiday that they convinced a reluctant parent to let them go or whether that was just an excuse to go meet someone. <snip>

    Sorry I could not locate the original post that asked this question...but the answer is...a protractor and a compass. Mary also wanted to look at winter coats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomeroreo View Post
    I wonder if the father had something to do with this. Because she wrote in her diary about being fear.

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    No, the father, Fred Reker, was cleared. He and Rita both took a lie detector test a year after the murders. The girls were seen by several people at the store and elsewhere. I think answers are close, I hope so anyway.

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    "...Stearns County investigators are taking a new look at one of Minnesota's most notorious murder mysteries, the unsolved case of two St. Cloud girls killed 42 years ago...

    Chief Deputy of the Stearns County Sheriff's office, Bruce Bechtold said they are looking at the case like it is brand new. "We haven't done any DNA analysis on any of the evidence we have for six, seven years," said Bechtold.

    Among the items to be re-tested at the state’s crime lab are the clothes of Mary and Sue."



    A long time ago, the similarities of this case and the Lyon Sisters case from March, 1975 in Wheaton, MD struck me. However, I could not find anything to put Lloyd Lee Welch Jr. in St Cloud, MN in this time frame of Sept. 2, 1974. I mean, why would he be there in MN? He grew up in Hyattsville, MD. Seriously what were the chances that he would be in St. Cloud, MN, like, 10 million to one? But of all the places, all the miles, all the times, and all the infinite possibilities, he WAS there.

    According to the list of persons who will give testimony in the Lyon Sisters murder trial of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr this April in Virginia, there is a woman named G. D. She says she was assaulted on August 30, 1974 in St. Cloud Minnesota at knifepoint by LLW2, before she was able to break free and run away from him.

    So we know LLW2 was in St. Cloud MN on Friday. August 30 of 1974, and he had a knife.

    Three days later on Monday / Labor Day, September, 2, 1974, two SISTERS Mary and Susanne Reker, ages 15 and 12 left their house around 11:15am and walked about a mile from their house to a local shopping center Zayre's store to go shopping for school supplies. They supposedly were seen talking to a creepy male, and the younger sister was overheard saying to the older sister, "I don't want to go with that man, I don't like him, let's not."

    Around 6pm when they had not returned home, their parents went to the police. 26 days later their bodies were found stabbed in an abandoned quarry. Mary's clothing had been cut up into pieces.

    Six months later, the Lyon Sisters disappeared from Wheaton Plaza in MD and were never seen again.

    I'm having a hard time thinking this is all just a coincidence that LLW2 happened to be in St. Cloud, Minnesota, with a knife at the same time two young sisters disappeared after walking from their home to a shopping center.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zensiert View Post
    "...Stearns County investigators are taking a new look at one of Minnesota's most notorious murder mysteries, the unsolved case of two St. Cloud girls killed 42 years ago...

    Chief Deputy of the Stearns County Sheriff's office, Bruce Bechtold said they are looking at the case like it is brand new. "We haven't done any DNA analysis on any of the evidence we have for six, seven years," said Bechtold.

    Among the items to be re-tested at the state’s crime lab are the clothes of Mary and Sue."



    A long time ago, the similarities of this case and the Lyon Sisters case from March, 1975 in Wheaton, MD struck me. However, I could not find anything to put Lloyd Lee Welch Jr. in St Cloud, MN in this time frame of Sept. 2, 1974. I mean, why would he be there in MN? He grew up in Hyattsville, MD. Seriously what were the chances that he would be in St. Cloud, MN, like, 10 million to one? But of all the places, all the miles, all the times, and all the infinite possibilities, he WAS there.

    According to the list of persons who will give testimony in the Lyon Sisters murder trial of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr this April in Virginia, there is a woman named G. D. She says she was assaulted on August 30, 1974 in St. Cloud Minnesota at knifepoint by LLW2, before she was able to break free and run away from him.

    So we know LLW2 was in St. Cloud MN on Friday. August 30 of 1974, and he had a knife.

    Three days later on Monday / Labor Day, September, 2, 1974, two SISTERS Mary and Susanne Reker, ages 15 and 12 left their house around 11:15am and walked about a mile from their house to a local shopping center Zayre's store to go shopping for school supplies. They supposedly were seen talking to a creepy male, and the younger sister was overheard saying to the older sister, "I don't want to go with that man, I don't like him, let's not."

    Around 6pm when they had not returned home, their parents went to the police. 26 days later their bodies were found stabbed in an abandoned quarry. Mary's clothing had been cut up into pieces.

    Six months later, the Lyon Sisters disappeared from Wheaton Plaza in MD and were never seen again.

    I'm having a hard time thinking this is all just a coincidence that LLW2 happened to be in St. Cloud, Minnesota, with a knife at the same time two young sisters disappeared after walking from their home to a shopping center.
    WOW, great connecting of the dots!!! I sure hope Stearns County is aware of this connection!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zensiert View Post
    "...Stearns County investigators are taking a new look at one of Minnesota's most notorious murder mysteries, the unsolved case of two St. Cloud girls killed 42 years ago...

    Chief Deputy of the Stearns County Sheriff's office, Bruce Bechtold said they are looking at the case like it is brand new. "We haven't done any DNA analysis on any of the evidence we have for six, seven years," said Bechtold.

    Among the items to be re-tested at the stateís crime lab are the clothes of Mary and Sue."



    A long time ago, the similarities of this case and the Lyon Sisters case from March, 1975 in Wheaton, MD struck me. However, I could not find anything to put Lloyd Lee Welch Jr. in St Cloud, MN in this time frame of Sept. 2, 1974. I mean, why would he be there in MN? He grew up in Hyattsville, MD. Seriously what were the chances that he would be in St. Cloud, MN, like, 10 million to one? But of all the places, all the miles, all the times, and all the infinite possibilities, he WAS there.

    According to the list of persons who will give testimony in the Lyon Sisters murder trial of Lloyd Lee Welch Jr this April in Virginia, there is a woman named G. D. She says she was assaulted on August 30, 1974 in St. Cloud Minnesota at knifepoint by LLW2, before she was able to break free and run away from him.

    So we know LLW2 was in St. Cloud MN on Friday. August 30 of 1974, and he had a knife.

    Three days later on Monday / Labor Day, September, 2, 1974, two SISTERS Mary and Susanne Reker, ages 15 and 12 left their house around 11:15am and walked about a mile from their house to a local shopping center Zayre's store to go shopping for school supplies. They supposedly were seen talking to a creepy male, and the younger sister was overheard saying to the older sister, "I don't want to go with that man, I don't like him, let's not."

    Around 6pm when they had not returned home, their parents went to the police. 26 days later their bodies were found stabbed in an abandoned quarry. Mary's clothing had been cut up into pieces.

    Six months later, the Lyon Sisters disappeared from Wheaton Plaza in MD and were never seen again.

    I'm having a hard time thinking this is all just a coincidence that LLW2 happened to be in St. Cloud, Minnesota, with a knife at the same time two young sisters disappeared after walking from their home to a shopping center.
    LE may be aware of the connection but then again maybe they haven't stumbled upon it. What a connection you've made! I'm thinking passing this info on might not be a bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damarna View Post
    LE may be aware of the connection but then again maybe they haven't stumbled upon it. What a connection you've made! I'm thinking passing this info on might not be a bad idea?

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    Agreed. I sent the details to the Chief Deputy. Awaiting response...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zensiert View Post
    Agreed. I sent the details to the Chief Deputy. Awaiting response...


    ...and still waiting for a response one week later from the Stearns County Sherriff's office...

    I will take their "no reply" as an implicit "yes, we do know that Lloyd Lee Welch Jr. was in St Cloud, MN the same Labor Day weekend the Reker sisters disappeared, but we don't want to acknowledge or discuss it."
    I won't bother calling them on their 1-800 phone number.

    I'll will speculate that LE investigators from Montgomery County, MD, Bedford County, VA and Stearns County, MN are already on a first name basis with each other.


    Moving along; two questions for other sleuthers to consider. First; out of all the places in the entire U.S., why was 17 year old Lloyd Lee Welch Jr. in St. Cloud, MN for Labor Day Weekend 1974? Does anybody remember the carnival being in town at the time? LLW2 worked for a traveling carnival around 1974-1975.
    Secondly; what was the connection on Labor Day weekend 1974 between 17 year old traveling carny, Lloyd Lee Welch Jr., and 15 year old Zayre employee Herbert Daniel Notch? I mean, besides the obvious here.

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    ELOC when does your book come out? Will it be on Amazon?

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