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    Too many clues

    I am always trying to find something new in the RN.
    It just hit me.....an intruder,a pedo,a SFF,a profi,etc,etc.....would never leave so many clues about him unless it's about THE MESSAGE which makes no sense in this murder.

    Just look how much "they" tell us AND LE about them

    -we are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction
    -we respect your business
    -we don't respect the country that it serves
    -we monitor you
    -there are two gentlemen watching over you
    -the two gentlemen don't like you
    -we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics
    -you and your family are under (OUR) constant scrutiny as well as the authorities.
    -i am or i am working for another fat cat



    Why would a pedo make up all this stuff?
    Why would a SFF leave so many clues,unless they want to be caught but then what's the point of it,no money,nothing,just the message delivered and if that was the point why did they stop after JB?


    Why did LE never search for a person who matches all these characteristics?The Ramsey team profile didn't include anything the RN mentions,why?

    Here you have this RN and so many clues (true OR false) in it but nobody bothers?Weird,both LE and the Ramsey team were SO sure these are all lies?Based on what?And I mean those first days when they had no fibers,no DNA,nothing.

    Nevermind,I guess what I actually wanted to point out is no criminal leaves so many clues about himself unless he wants to deliver a message or wants to mislead LE.

    Which makes me narrow it down to

    RDI and the RN is BS,cheap fantasy.
    IDI and all these clues were meant for JR,clues he GOT but never said anything.
    The rice is already cooked...

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    Thank you Madeline and I agree, the RN is crazy!
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    In my opinion, the GOOD thing about the RN is that because the author was so intent on writing a rambling load of garbage to confuse Police and other investigators, they completely overlooked the fact that they were providing so many examples of letters and words.

    I believe the thinking process went like this.
    1. I must disguise my writing - result? Use opposite hand
    2. I need to throw in as many wild goose chase options as possible - result? Use every cliche in the book.
    3. I need to make some ***** up - result? foreign faction, S.B.T.C., Victory!

    Inexperienced fraudsters, or murderers in this case, aren't perfect. They have time to think a few steps ahead but not MANY steps ahead.

    I believe at the time the note was written, despite in reality having enough time to write it and construct the deception, the author was so intent in creating a 'fake story' that they didn't understand that more words means more to compare.

    Just evidence that the work is that of an amateur.

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    Now look, you made me post when I wasn't really ready to.


    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post

    It just hit me.....an intruder,a pedo,a SFF,a profi,etc,etc.....would never leave so many clues about him unless it's about THE MESSAGE which makes no sense in this murder.
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    Just look how much "they" tell us AND LE about them
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    Nevermind,I guess what I actually wanted to point out is no criminal leaves so many clues about himself unless he wants to deliver a message or wants to mislead LE.
    Yes, this is one thing that keeps me strapped on top of the fence post.
    Why would anyone use every letter of the alphabet in a ransom note? Why the excessiveness? I certainly think the rambling was purposely done.

    I'm mostly a sideliner (although I've always got questions, maybe you could ask Dave to start an 'Insane questions for SuperDave' thread for me?), but since it was brought up, I wanted to add my thoughts.

    Thanks (I think).

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    I haven't been around much since I started out on the fence but I'm now 99.99999999% sure that thing was written by Patsy.
    The more I read about her ,the more I am convinced.
    The only thing where my opinion differs from most RDI's ,I believe Patsy wrote this before she killed JB.

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    That's interesting cladicici as it changes it from an accidental death with a cover up to a pre-meditated event.

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    Welcome, M.James and thanks for your thoughts. Ready or not, you have to jump in someplace and here's as good as any, although you should check out the "where are you from" thread and let us know just a little about yourself, that would be cool.
    Personally, I think the writer wasn't thinking at all about the handwriting as they believed it looked totally different than their writing with their other hand. As for all that info, I think they just threw in everything but the kitchen sink to point the finger anywhere but at themselves. Kinda like, the more they wrote, the more they had to write.
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    I second the welcome M. James! I like the idea of your thread also!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderllama View Post
    In my opinion, the GOOD thing about the RN is that because the author was so intent on writing a rambling load of garbage to confuse Police and other investigators, they completely overlooked the fact that they were providing so many examples of letters and words.

    I believe the thinking process went like this.
    1. I must disguise my writing - result? Use opposite hand
    2. I need to throw in as many wild goose chase options as possible - result? Use every cliche in the book.
    3. I need to make some ***** up - result? foreign faction, S.B.T.C., Victory!

    Inexperienced fraudsters, or murderers in this case, aren't perfect. They have time to think a few steps ahead but not MANY steps ahead.

    I believe at the time the note was written, despite in reality having enough time to write it and construct the deception, the author was so intent in creating a 'fake story' that they didn't understand that more words means more to compare.

    Just evidence that the work is that of an amateur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderllama View Post
    That's interesting cladicici as it changes it from an accidental death with a cover up to a pre-meditated event.
    yes,I now believe it was pre-meditated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claudicici View Post
    yes,I now believe it was pre-meditated.
    Can you expand on this? What makes you think that? I am very curious. What do you believe the motive was? Why would Patsy want to get rid of her "trophy child"? I've gone over the possibility that maybe JBR's murder was planned to get her in(famous) but one of the reasons I am skeptical of that is most of the murders that happened before JBR, it was the murderer that got the fame, not the victim: OJ Simpson, Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, Zodiac. They are household names; not their victims, except for Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman but OJ was the real "star" of that case. It wasn't until the 2000's with cases like Danielle Van Dam, Samantha Runnion, Caylee Anthony, and Elizabeth Smart in which the child victims were the ones who were known to the public and the ones who were shown on the news, not the killers. That's the one thing that pulls me back from thinking JBR's murder was planned to make her a star---What murder was Patsy basing that off of? I know OJ had just ended but in that murder, it was the defendant that really became the star. Maybe the murder wasn't intended to make JBR famous, but to make Patsy famous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderllama View Post
    In my opinion, the GOOD thing about the RN is that because the author was so intent on writing a rambling load of garbage to confuse Police and other investigators, they completely overlooked the fact that they were providing so many examples of letters and words.

    I believe the thinking process went like this.
    1. I must disguise my writing - result? Use opposite hand
    2. I need to throw in as many wild goose chase options as possible - result? Use every cliche in the book.
    3. I need to make some ***** up - result? foreign faction, S.B.T.C., Victory!

    Inexperienced fraudsters, or murderers in this case, aren't perfect. They have time to think a few steps ahead but not MANY steps ahead.

    I believe at the time the note was written, despite in reality having enough time to write it and construct the deception, the author was so intent in creating a 'fake story' that they didn't understand that more words means more to compare.

    Just evidence that the work is that of an amateur.
    WL: Flawless logic. What else can I say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by otg View Post
    WL: Flawless logic. What else can I say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I am always trying to find something new in the RN.
    It just hit me.....an intruder,a pedo,a SFF,a profi,etc,etc.....would never leave so many clues about him unless it's about THE MESSAGE which makes no sense in this murder.

    Just look how much "they" tell us AND LE about them

    -we are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction

    We are a group of ex-employees of Access Graphics that had lunch at Pasta Jay's with Son of a Bi@@h Tom Carson.

    -we respect your business

    Because it was with our help u got your bussiness together.


    -we don't respect the country that it serves

    ...We don't respect King Ramsey of Access Graphics.


    -we monitor you

    ...Me, John Ramsey and Don Paugh.


    -there are two gentlemen watching over you

    John Ramsey and Don Paugh.


    -the two gentlemen don't like you

    ...You got that right.


    -we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics

    Especially John...Mr. Navy.


    -you and your family are under (OUR) constant scrutiny as well as the authorities.

    We at Access Graphics are watching you SB Tom Carson!


    -i am or i am working for another fat cat

    Yeah John, I am Tom Carson the Fat Cat!



    Why would a pedo make up all this stuff?
    Why would a SFF leave so many clues,unless they want to be caught but then what's the point of it,no money,nothing,just the message delivered and if that was the point why did they stop after JB?


    Why did LE never search for a person who matches all these characteristics?The Ramsey team profile didn't include anything the RN mentions,why?

    Here you have this RN and so many clues (true OR false) in it but nobody bothers?Weird,both LE and the Ramsey team were SO sure these are all lies?Based on what?And I mean those first days when they had no fibers,no DNA,nothing.

    Nevermind,I guess what I actually wanted to point out is no criminal leaves so many clues about himself unless he wants to deliver a message or wants to mislead LE.

    Which makes me narrow it down to

    RDI and the RN is BS,cheap fantasy.
    IDI and all these clues were meant for JR,clues he GOT but never said anything.
    To quote Jodie Foster:

    Doctor Lecter...your anagrams are showing.
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98

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    A big clue to me was the fact the Ramsey's totally ignored the ransom note's warnings, in fact went in the opposite direction. I think PR wrote it, I am not 100% sure about JR's involvement in the note, but I think PR thought she was so clever and had written an excellent ransom note. I think the ransom note was the major reason JR made sure they lawyered up quickly and had seperate lawyers, he would have thrown her under the bus if the hand writing analysis had come back 100% certain it was Patsy.
    If it turns out the Ramsey's didn't write this note my guess would be a highly educated meth addict, there is no way this ransom note was serious.

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