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    Lt.Col 'Birther' who refused to deploy is convicted.

    A military jury has convicted an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions President Barack Obama's eligibility for office.

    Lt.Col Terrence Lakin had already pleaded guilty to another charge against him. All told, he now faces up to three and a half years in prison.

    http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132089...medium=twitter

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    Good. Colonel Lakin doesn't seem to understand how the military works. Inexcusable in someone of his rank.

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    I wonder if Obama decided to pardon him if he would except it.

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    do you have to show your birth certificate to join the army, like you do to get a driver's license?

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    I too have my doubts about Obama being born in the USA. I don't know that I am a "birther" though. I don't form my attitudes, opinions, etc. about Obama because of it.
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    And soldiers don't get to refuse to obey orders because of internet gossip.

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    God bless Col. Lakin. I have read this story in detail and what he has done is what everyone should do. This story is more than internet gossip and there is enough doubt to warrant an answer for all Americans. This is just my opinion and not intended to offend anyone.
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    He should have resigned his commission if there were any issues. You don't refuse an order without consequences, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PorcineGranny View Post
    God bless Col. Lakin. I have read this story in detail and what he has done is what everyone should do. This story is more than internet gossip and there is enough doubt to warrant an answer for all Americans. This is just my opinion and not intended to offend anyone.
    I stand corrected.

    I should written, "Soldiers don't get to refuse to obey orders because of your opinion."

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    I'm glad he got weeded out, he's obviously got some problems if he allowed himself to get caught up in the birther hysteria and propoganda. But what really concerns me is that he achieved such a high rank without his "eccentricities" being flagged at an earlier juncture. To have a high ranking military official take such a stance is not only an embarassment, but it's scary. Wonder what else lurks in his closet. Then again, maybe it's just plain old ignorance. Let's hope.


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    I really don't care what his issues are.

    Refusing a direct order to deploy would be enough for dismissal and a dishonorable discharged at least, imo.

    I suppose he forgot the contract that he made with the military.

    Now I do know that quite a few do not like Obama but they put those personal opinions aside and do their job duties as they swore to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie09 View Post
    do you have to show your birth certificate to join the army, like you do to get a driver's license?
    Absolutely, and a lot of other information that must be verified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie09 View Post
    do you have to show your birth certificate to join the army, like you do to get a driver's license?
    Okay, this is a weird one for me. I had a "Certificate of Live Birth" that my mom was given at the hospital when I was born. For years, I used this as my BC. It got me into public school, private school, driver's license, marriage license, etc. In 2006, when I tried to buy a Ford using their D-plan (for the siblings of Ford employees), it suddenly wasn't good enough. It turns out, we were SUPPOSED to turn the dumb thing in and receive a REAL BC in return back when I was born (bro. had the same thing). So before I could buy a car from Ford, I had to get a REAL BC, as did my brother. The craziness? The US Government accepted this thing for (muffled) years and FORD is the one that caught it! My BC now truly exists, but reads that it was issued in May 2006. Oh, and the Army accepted my brother's cert., in 1993 which we now know wasn't valid.

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    I have found in life that sometimes situations are a Catch 22. I feel certain that if it had been time for this Lt. Col to re-up he would not have re-uped. Naturally, you can't just quit the military and even if it had been his re-up time, the military could extend his time anyway. Once you are in the military they own your butt for life. You can be recalled at any time they need you after you have left the service. This happened to my oldest daughter's husband during the Gulf War and to a friend of mine, who is now deceased, during this Iraq War.

    With that said, this Lt. Col for whatever his problems may or may not be, and whatever his opinions are, didn't want to deploy back to Afghanistan. I'm sure with his years of service he was well aware of what they would do to him.

    Side note: One thing I do find interesting is that to the people (civilians) who are so pro military they forget the fact that these men and women are human beings with feelings and not robots. We are finding the just "suck it up and do it" days are not working so well, thus the need for continous redeployments due to few new recruits. When my middle daughter's husband, who is career Army, came back after his first deployment to Iraq, he was sent to NYC to do recruiting, he did not like it at all. Recruiters are treated like crapola, high stats set they can't possibly meet, because people don't enlist like they use to. After 2 more tours in Iraq they are counting the days til his retirement, but they are also aware the Army will always own him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora View Post
    Okay, this is a weird one for me. I had a "Certificate of Live Birth" that my mom was given at the hospital when I was born. For years, I used this as my BC. It got me into public school, private school, driver's license, marriage license, etc. In 2006, when I tried to buy a Ford using their D-plan (for the siblings of Ford employees), it suddenly wasn't good enough. It turns out, we were SUPPOSED to turn the dumb thing in and receive a REAL BC in return back when I was born (bro. had the same thing). So before I could buy a car from Ford, I had to get a REAL BC, as did my brother. The craziness? The US Government accepted this thing for (muffled) years and FORD is the one that caught it! My BC now truly exists, but reads that it was issued in May 2006. Oh, and the Army accepted my brother's cert., in 1993 which we now know wasn't valid.
    In California, when I go to the LA County Records department to get a copy of my birth certificate. It is in fact a "certificate of live birth" that is given to me.
    Even the original was a certificate of live birth...I can't imagine what you actually got that was any different.

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