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    My thought.....the killer knew her and planned this out. He removed certain features and dismembered her body to make identification difficult...
    Three, painted black, suitcases for camoflauge which im sure he didnt expect all 3 to be found mking it hard to put a body together. Handles removed since they were thrown into a waterway where branches, fishing line, and boat propellars could snag.
    Bottom line, i feel the way to id beth is through her killer.

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    I think that you have to accept my friend request for me to PM YOU? Although I just resnt the pm to you.

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    Could the killer be a married man she was seeing or a well known figure in the community who did not want this child? Poss DR or hunter with surgical skills..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetluv View Post
    My thought.....the killer knew her and planned this out. He removed certain features and dismembered her body to make identification difficult...
    Three, painted black, suitcases for camoflauge which im sure he didnt expect all 3 to be found mking it hard to put a body together. Handles removed since they were thrown into a waterway where branches, fishing line, and boat propellars could snag.
    Bottom line, i feel the way to id beth is through her killer.
    rbbm.
    Removing the ears and nose to prevent identification seems like something someone would do if the victim's identity would lead right to the perp. but the mutilation of her chest area , does not make sense unless Beth had a tattooed chest or other anomaly, imo.
    Or the perp was really, really angry and jealous.
    If this was a sexually motivated crime by a stranger, the removal of chest area might be part of the nastiness.
    imo, speculation.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/169ufpa.html
    She had been strangled, then shot in the neck and then dismembered with a fine, serrated tool. Her killer had removed her nose, ears, and breasts.
    Last edited by dotr; 03-20-2017 at 12:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotr View Post
    rbbm.
    Removing the ears and nose to prevent identification seems like something someone would do if the victim's identity would lead right to the perp. but the mutilation of her chest area , does not make sense unless Beth had a tattooed chest or other anomaly, imo.
    Or the perp was really, really angry and jealous.
    If this was a sexually motivated crime by a stranger, the removal of chest area might be part of the nastiness.
    imo, speculation.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/169ufpa.html
    I think you're right, Dot. The mutilation was either due to someone trying to prevent the victim from being identified, a horrible rage or some sort of sick penchant. Her breasts would have been enlarged and possibly leaking collostrum at that stage of pregnancy, which could have added to them being targeted.
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    I came across this guy, its just a fragment of the whole story, http://murderpedia.org/male.E/e/einhorn-ira.htm well known person, killed his former girlfriend in 1977, when she returned after leaving him, to pick up her belongings, was violent against her and other girlfriends before and what about the trunk story....foam, newspapers....hmmm. He was from German descent and fled to France and married again. I didn't have time to dig out, the complete time line...could Beth Doe have run into him...while his girlfriend (for 5 years) had left him and stayed in New York. Maybe we could investigate the name Ben Moore, or his real name.....or his French name...and find any connection with Beth? Just a brainwave.... Still no explanation for cutting of nose, ears and breasts...

    Peace, Love and Murder: The Ira EinhornStory
    By Juan Hann Ng -CrimeandInvestigation.co.uk
    For two decades, guru Ira Einhorn was onthe run as a fugitive. Nicknamed 'The Unicorn', he brutally murdered his loverHolly Maddux.
    Ira Samuel Einhorn, nicknamed the‘Unicorn’ as his surname translates to ‘one horn’ in German, spent 16 years onthe run after murdering his girlfriend Helen ‘Holly’ Maddux in 1977 inPhiladelphia, America. Einhorn’s case is unique in that while his crime was agrisly one, it is often overshadowed by the events leading up to hisimprisonment, and is regularly cited as an example of the conceptualdifferences between the American and continental European legal systems. TheAmerican murderer became a cause celebre for human rights in France where hewas initially arrested.
    Profile
    Einhorn was born into a middle-classJewish family but developed into a bona fide left wing radical by thetime he was in his twenties. He was a symbol and a prominent figurehead of theyouth-driven movement in the sixties that stood in opposition to America’sinvolvement in the Vietnam War. Instantly recognisable as ‘Philadelphia’s headhippie’, he was a large burly man with electric blue eyes and an unkempt beard,and he seldom washed or bathed.
    However, he was a master of rhetoric andhe had networking skills that drew many important and famous people to thecause of freedom and peace that he preached. The self-styled ‘Prince of FlowerPower’ and ‘Guru of Peace and Love’ was revered and admired by many of theleading intellectuals of Philadelphia and America. A brilliant student at theUniversity of Pennsylvania, he counted as friends many of the authors of theBeat generation, such as Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac; he hobnobbed withcelebrities including Isaac Asimov, Peter Gabriel and Uri Geller; and hung outwith the Yippie (Youth International Party) crowd, including their foundersAbbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin. Pot-smoking, LSD-popping, free-loving Einhornwas the toast of Philadelphia.
    Strangely, he also endeared himself to thecorporate set, who were entranced by his convincing predictions of futuretrends of anything from computer science to quantum physics to New Agemanagement. He was intelligent, a voracious reader and his ability to influencepeople was magnetic. He sold blueprints of the future to Fortune 500 companyCEOs, convincing them that their money could save the world through ecologicalawareness. He was a speaker at the inaugural 1970 Earth Day rally in Philadelphiaand was reportedly its creator, although its organisers disputed this claim. In1977, he even held a fellowship at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.
    Einhorn had been going out with HollyMaddux, his beautiful and gracefully delicate girlfriend, for five years whenshe disappeared in 1977. Originally from Tyler, Texas, Maddux was a blue-eyedformer cheerleader, had been a brilliant student at Bryn Mawr College and hadthen turned her energies to the women’s liberation movement. She was drawn to Einhornas one of the political icons of their day. However, although an advocate of peace andnon-violence, the hulking Einhorn treated her poorly, as he had with previousgirlfriends. His behaviour extended to physical abuse, smashing a soft drinkbottle on one girlfriend’s head and even attempting to strangle another.
    Tiring of his violence, Maddux moved toNew York where she began a relationship with a kind and gentle man named SaulLapidus. She called Einhorn from New York to sever their relationship. He flewinto a temper and commanded her to return to Philadelphia to collect herbelongings, which he threatened to throw out into the street. Maddux left forPhiladelphia on 9th September 1977 and was never seen alive again.
    The crimes
    It is speculated that Maddux was murdered on or around the9th or 10th of September 1977, when she returned to the apartment sheshared with Einhorn on Race Street. No one except her family noticed Maddux’sabsence and they became apprehensive at her continued silence. Her mother’sbirthday had come and gone without a call from Maddux, who was normally aconsiderate and attentive daughter.
    The family notified the police. Einhornwas cursorily questioned but upon his claims of ignorance, was left alone.Dissatisfied with the police’s efforts, the Maddux family hired two privatedetectives to investigate the girl’s disappearance. In the meantime, Einhorncontinued with his life, embarking on speaking tours and taking a semester-longfellowship at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.
    However by 1979, the private investigatorshad pieced together enough circumstantial evidence to give the police enoughprobable cause to obtain a search warrant for Einhorn’s apartment. The evidenceincluded the fact that Einhorn had requested help from friends to dispose of atrunk containing what he said were “secret documents”; there had been Einhorn’snon-cooperation with police investigators; and a putrid and rancid brown liquidhad been leaking through Einhorn’s floorboards into the kitchen of theneighbours below.
    The arrest
    Detective Mike Chitwood led the search ofEinhorn’s apartment on 28th March 1979, almost 20 months after Maddux had gonemissing. In a wardrobe, Chitwood found Maddux’s suitcase, handbag, driver’slicence and social security card. In the same wardrobe, he also found Maddux’s body in a trunk, packedin styrofoam, air fresheners and newspapers. Her decomposing body waspartially mummified and the remains weighed only 37 pounds.
    A post-mortem revealed that Maddux hadsuffered trauma to the head and her skull was smashed in several places as aresult. However, the position of the body and size of the trunk meant that shehad actually been alive and semi-conscious when placed in the trunk and haddied trying to claw her way out. Upon his arrest, Einhorn reportedly shruggedindifferently and said, “You found what you found”. He was charged with murder,as Pennsylvania has no degrees of murder
    Einhorn was represented by the notoriousdefence attorney Arlen Specter. Later a Senator, he served on the infamousWarren Commission and was the author of the ‘single assassin/crazy bullettheory’ used to explain the assassination of John F Kennedy. Specter arguedsuccessfully at the bail hearing on 3rd April 1979 for bail to be set at the strangelylow sum of $40 000, of which only 10% had to be paid in cash to secure therelease of the bailor.
    The bail hearing in itself was abnormal,as it was unheard of for bail to be granted in murder cases. While Einhorn’sfriends in high places might not have influenced the bail hearing or the amountof bail itself, they certainly did put up the money for his release. BarbaraBronfman, a Montreal socialite who had married into a wealthy distilleryfamily, paid Einhorn’s bail.
    Still vociferously protesting hisinnocence, Einhorn was released onto the streets. He told anyone and everyonethat he would clear his name, claiming it was a conspiracy by the CIA or FBI,who wanted to discredit him and halt his political activities. Then, on 21stJanuary 1981, Einhorn skipped bail on the eve of the pre-trial hearing anddisappeared, probably to Europe. Thus began the most determined internationalpursuit of a fugitive since the Israeli Mossad’s hunt, capture and cross-borderkidnapping of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann.
    Conducting the manhunt was AssistantDistrict Attorney Richard DiBenedetto, who, through Einhorn’s 60 handwrittenjournals, knew his prey better than anyone else. In 1985, Einhorn was traced toDublin, Ireland, where he was living under the name of Ben Moore. However,there were no extradition papers in effect and Einhorn fled Dublin after thealert. From there, he probably travelled throughout the United Kingdom,crossing the English Channel at some point, to enter continental Europe. In1993, the unprecedented step, in Philadelphia at least, was taken to tryEinhorn in absentia, a hugely significant development that would laterbe exploited by Einhorn. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to lifeimprisonment.
    Circa 1994, DiBenedetto learned thatEinhorn’s benefactor, Barbara Bronfman, had been financing his flight from hishunters. However she had a change of heart, to one in the belief in Einhorn’sguilt, and she provided DiBenedetto with the Stockholm address where Einhornwas residing. The address turned up one Annika Flodin, who disclaimed allknowledge of Einhorn, saying that she knew him as Ben Moore, and that she hadno idea where he was. When Flodin subsequently disappeared, investigators ranher name through Interpol and found that she had relocated to France andmarried Einhorn, who was then known under the moniker of Eugene Mallon.
    On 13th June 1997, DiBenedetto and his menarrested Einhorn in a converted millhouse outside Champagne-Mouton, a beautifulvillage in the French countryside near Cognac.
    Last edited by Bit of hope; 03-20-2017 at 02:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotr View Post
    rbbm.
    Removing the ears and nose to prevent identification seems like something someone would do if the victim's identity would lead right to the perp. but the mutilation of her chest area , does not make sense unless Beth had a tattooed chest or other anomaly, imo.
    Or the perp was really, really angry and jealous.
    If this was a sexually motivated crime by a stranger, the removal of chest area might be part of the nastiness.
    imo, speculation.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/169ufpa.html
    Some serial killers take body parts as souvenirs So it might not even be for identification.
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    I noticed a post above said nj was 12 hours from white haven. It was only a few hours. I lived near there in 1976 and just recently took my mom there to visit the areas she grew up in. Not far from the poconos. Lots of young people made their way there to work at the ski resorts. Also, lots of truck stops up that way. I believe nj plates did have 6 numbers. Plates were an off white with black.numbers I'll try to find a pic of a PA plate from that time. I believe they were navy blue with orange and said keystone state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Orlando View Post
    I'll try to find a pic of a PA plate from that time. I believe they were navy blue with orange and said keystone state.
    https://www.ricksplates.com/pennsylv...ss1.htm#pass71

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    The newspaper found in one of the suitcases was from new york..which neighbors PA. Maybe she was from there.
    I wonder if the WSR has any significance to NY?


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    Re: the possible connection to Bethlehem

    In the 1970's Bethlehem wasn't the somewhat sleepy academic town it is today. It was a busy bustling steel town with a large immigrant population working in the mills.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    The killer went to great lengths to hide her identity which leads me to believe she is easy to identify. Im just wondering without her actual ears and nose, how easy it is to reconstruct what she actually looked like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetluv View Post
    The killer went to great lengths to hide her identity which leads me to believe she is easy to identify. Im just wondering without her actual ears and nose, how easy it is to reconstruct what she actually looked like.
    I wonder if she had multiple ear piercings? A nose ring?

    I know this has been brought up before, but what about a rhinoplasty? Would her killer cut off her nose to hide the fact that she had had a nose job done?

    I also wonder if she had a birthmark and/or scar on her ears/nose.
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    Strange quest..but does anyone know if the wsr and series of numbers were ever photographed? I would be curious to see it. I think its a valuable piece of the puzzle, esp since the estimated time was hrs prior to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetluv View Post
    Strange quest..but does anyone know if the wsr and series of numbers were ever photographed? I would be curious to see it. I think its a valuable piece of the puzzle, esp since the estimated time was hrs prior to death.
    This question was addressed in the first Beth Doe thread. (October 2005) I am very sure that photos were taken of the notations but when I first approached PSP about them years ago, there were no such photos in her file. I have my own thoughts on where they went, based on the research I've done but to state my thoughts really would be only speculation.

    Here's the link to the subject in the first thread but I'll copy and paste my response here. To answer the unasked question - yes, I do have a photo of her hand.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...Dec-76-1/page4

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    Wow, a response already!! But, not great news. As follows:


    Dear Lisa:

    Unfortunately, there is no photo of Carbon County Jane Doe's hand (with the writing intact) in her case file. The one photo of her hand that exists is of very good quality, excellent resolution, to the point where the grooves and whorls of her palm are clearly evident. The fingers are smudged with black from where they took her fingerprints, which tells me that the photo was taken after her arm/hand were cleaned, erasing all traces of the notations. I haven't posted the photo on my web site since there just isn't anything there that would help in trying to identify her.

    I wish there were, since I also think that the writing could be key. I also think that they are some kind of shorthand for a destination. Route 437 is just west of White Haven. Travel 11 miles north and you get to PA-309 N / WILKES BARRE-HAZELTON HWY. Could WSR actually be WSB? Short for Wilkes-Barre?

    I've been reading the thread on Websleuths. With the 29th Anniversary of Jane Doe's murder quickly approaching, I'm truly grateful for the renewed interest in her case. While so many are caught up in the Christmas rush, there will be a lot of us remembering the young mother and her child that most of the world has forgotten.

    Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. But keep trying. The more eyes looking, the better chance we have of finding out who she is.

    Best wishes for a happy and safe Holiday Season.

    Nancy Monahan
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    www.pennsylvaniamissing.com
    Last edited by CCJD; 04-05-2017 at 11:54 PM. Reason: Add OP name

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