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    this sounds like something Joel Rifkin would do although he was only 17 y.o. in 1976.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    something doesn't make sense here with the suitcases, the handles and the dump site.

    I've been on Route 80 and while I suppose anything is possible, I'm trying to see how someone could pull over the shoulder of a major interstate, right before or after crossing a river on an overpass/bridge, then remove not one, but three suitcases (without handles) and throw them over the side unnoticed. it was assumed the killer thought they'd go in the river and be washed away but they all were found on land.

    if the killer wanted to dump them, then having handles surely would have made the dump easier. also, if he wanted to make sure they went in the water, then stopping mid-bridge would do it.

    is anyone aware of any pictures of the actual dump site? I'm thinking that he dumped them not from Route 80 but from some cliff-like elevation where he tossed them down and then left the scene.

    one last thing about the newspaper, the Doe page says "New York Sunday News" which I assume is the Sunday version of the NY Daily News, a tabloid like rag and not the NY Times.
    Since I started following these cases, I've noticed when I'm driving -- there are a LOT of cars and other vehicles that pull over to the side of the road beside busy highways, and people pay very little attention.

    I think if I saw a car beside the road with a couple of suitcases on the ground beside it, I would assume they had a flat tire and had to move the contents of the trunk to get to the spare.

    I put the little Google walking man on the highway and took a look -- it appears to be right at the start of the ramp for the next exit.
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    let me state it this way - someone might pull over to the side of an interstate and throw pieces of luggage containing body parts, but having gone through all that effort of dismembering a body, etc, it seems like an awful risk to take at the last moment of the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    let me state it this way - someone might pull over to the side of an interstate and throw pieces of luggage containing body parts, but having gone through all that effort of dismembering a body, etc, it seems like an awful risk to take at the last moment of the process.
    Well, yeah. It would not be what you or I would do -- but then you or I would not have just brutally murdered and dismembered somebody, either. Clearly this person does not share our mental processes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    let me state it this way - someone might pull over to the side of an interstate and throw pieces of luggage containing body parts, but having gone through all that effort of dismembering a body, etc, it seems like an awful risk to take at the last moment of the process.
    I think it's a safe bet to assume the suitcases were thrown sometime overnight Dec 19-20th. Where they were thrown may actually have been unplanned..with maybe a bit of serendipity for the killer. He's driving along I-80WB, it's late and there's probably not a lot of traffic when he sees this sign:



    so he pulls over. As carbuff said, any passing cars seeing him remove suitcases from the vehicle may just assume a flat tire. And the suitcases won't raise suspicion since it was 5 days before Christmas. He would've just looked like a typical traveler on his way to family for the Holidays who ran into a little bad luck. The sign on the side of the road has alerted him that there's a river below but again, it's night and dark AND, December 20, 1976 just happened to be a New Moon,
    http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/...1976&country=1
    so there was no moonlight shining on to the river. All he had was the sign and the sound of the water below to guide him. Must've been a little frustrating for him - 3 throws, 3 misses - not a single splash.

    I'd bet he got off I-80WB at the next exit, turned around and got on I-80EB and high-tailed it back to where he came from, probably, hopefully, panic-stricken.

    And I wonder how long it took for him to get a little cocky, knowing that somehow he actually got away with it.

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    I still don't get the removal of the handles. to remove/prevent fingerprints? there are easier ways to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    I still don't get the removal of the handles. to remove/prevent fingerprints? there are easier ways to do that.
    McAndrew said the suitcases, which had the handles removed, were also thoroughly investigated.

    “The handles on the suitcases were cut off,” he said. “With people saying the handles were cut off because of fingerprints, the person would still have to handle other parts of the suitcase.”

    McAndrew said investigators learned that a specific suitcase manufacturer discarded flawed suitcases by removing the handles.

    http://archives.timesleader.com/2011...ved_-news.html

    As someone who has worked in retail for years (and years), I know a bit about discarded merchandise. It could be defective, recalled (think lead, for instance, in toys) or just discontinued. When the product is disposed of, it is often rendered unusable, i.e. cut up or broken, bleach poured all over it, whatever it takes to make it useless. There are a lot of dumpster divers out there who will scavenge for items either for their own use or to sell (which could be downright dangerous in recalled items) or to take back to a store to try to refund for $$$.

    That's retail, but manufacturers will also take those steps when discarding defective/rejected merchandise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCJD View Post
    I think it's a safe bet to assume the suitcases were thrown sometime overnight Dec 19-20th. Where they were thrown may actually have been unplanned..with maybe a bit of serendipity for the killer. He's driving along I-80WB, it's late and there's probably not a lot of traffic when he sees this sign:



    so he pulls over. As carbuff said, any passing cars seeing him remove suitcases from the vehicle may just assume a flat tire. And the suitcases won't raise suspicion since it was 5 days before Christmas. He would've just looked like a typical traveler on his way to family for the Holidays who ran into a little bad luck. The sign on the side of the road has alerted him that there's a river below but again, it's night and dark AND, December 20, 1976 just happened to be a New Moon,
    http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/...1976&country=1
    so there was no moonlight shining on to the river. All he had was the sign and the sound of the water below to guide him. Must've been a little frustrating for him - 3 throws, 3 misses - not a single splash.

    I'd bet he got off I-80WB at the next exit, turned around and got on I-80EB and high-tailed it back to where he came from, probably, hopefully, panic-stricken.

    And I wonder how long it took for him to get a little cocky, knowing that somehow he actually got away with it.
    I pretty much agree with this scenario. I only drove this way once -- was surprised that with such a wide tall bridge went over what's really quite a small river. And it's damned dark at the best of times on the Pennsylvania highways away from the urban areas; with a new moon, it must have been totally black.

    What's about an hour's drive east down I-80? Does that take you into New Jersey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermute View Post
    I think that the ink would last 8 to 12 hours on a living person who is actively rubbing against their clothing and washing themselves. Ink on a deceased person would probably last much longer if the body remained dry.
    I can only think of two reasons for the writing on her hand:

    * She needed to write a note to herself, probably about directions for where she was going, probably because she had pen but no paper. Though I did know one woman who routinely wrote important notes on her palm so she wouldn't forget.

    * When she realized she was in danger, she wrote something that she thought might identify her killer
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I can only think of two reasons for the writing on her hand:

    * She needed to write a note to herself, probably about directions for where she was going, probably because she had pen but no paper. Though I did know one woman who routinely wrote important notes on her palm so she wouldn't forget.

    * When she realized she was in danger, she wrote something that she thought might identify her killer
    I've always thought the notations were directions (I may have said so way earlier in this thread, I don't really remember). It's the only thing, IMO, that really makes sense. I still do that and this case made me realize just how often I do it. I always have a pen, but not always paper so I write on my hand. It's almost second nature to do so.

    I don't think the notations have anything to do with a clue to the killer's ID. Too cryptic, for one. If she had presence of mind to leave a clue, I think it would be plainer. Again, jmho.


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    what is strange about the writing on her skin is that I would tend to think she was writing a license plate. it is highly improbably she was writing her killer's initial (why not write his whole name if she knew all three initials)?

    what is really odd to me is that he butchered the poor woman and would have seen her whole body. you would think he would have seen the writing and said "oh s--t, I better get rid of that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCJD View Post
    I've always thought the notations were directions (I may have said so way earlier in this thread, I don't really remember). It's the only thing, IMO, that really makes sense. I still do that and this case made me realize just how often I do it. I always have a pen, but not always paper so I write on my hand. It's almost second nature to do so.

    I don't think the notations have anything to do with a clue to the killer's ID. Too cryptic, for one. If she had presence of mind to leave a clue, I think it would be plainer. Again, jmho.
    Directions seem much more likely, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    what is really odd to me is that he butchered the poor woman and would have seen her whole body. you would think he would have seen the writing and said "oh s--t, I better get rid of that".
    Too much blood, butchered is exactly what he did. I imagine her arms and hands were spattered in it. If he did think of the notations, he may have thought the blood would wash them away or he knew they wouldn't lead to him.

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    I wonder if the writing could be the combination to a lock of some sort?
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    WARNING GROSSNESS ALERT

    Anyone read the report on NamUS that said that the nose and breasts were not recovered? Don't some middle eastern cultures cut noses off? Honor killing, maybe?

    What database was the dna put into? If I read right, more than one.

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