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  1. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
    I meant there is no Mexican gang activity where she was found, to speak of.

    She was wearing a Lucky Star watch, and Lucky Star is a casino in Oklahoma. If I remember right, the logos were even similar.

    LE is just assuming she is from the SW, there is no concrete evidence of it.
    How do you know no gang activity exists in Indianna. I live in St.Louis and work for LE and read about gang activity all the time in police reports or when doing a background check using REJIS. Before working for LE and having access to what others don't I'd be of the same mind. Whats reported and what is, is not always the same. By the way while in college and on the debate team we debated a school in Indiana and had to go through Indianapolis. Every year we got lost in Indianapolis in the wrong part of town, way wrong, I personally thnk there is probably gang activity in Indiana.

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    I did not see any Namus link in this thread so here it is:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4861

    only one rule-out is listed, Janeth Rowe.

  3. #108
    Ok, please accept my apologies as you read this, but I am unable to get the doenetwork link on this woman's death / case number to work. And, can someone please post some information about when, exactly, this happened in 1999? This has Tommy Lynn Sells written all over it, IF the dates work out. In May of '99, he strangled Haley McHone in Lexington, KY, with her own shirt, spent the night in jail on a public intoxication charge, then hopped a freight and got off in Indiana; he broke into a small office, stole a truck, and headed north. (Still in Indiana) Then he ended up in Madison, Wisconsin, where he also spent some time time in the drunk tank and a few weeks more, thanks to a fight with an inmate. He got out of jail in Madison, WI on 6/24/99 and then headed back home to Del Rio, Texas. Does anyone know if these dates work out for the death of this unfortunate woman? It is true, I should add, that by this time TLS was tending towards younger and younger victims; but it is also said in a couple of sources that he had built up quite a bit of hostility towards his (hispanic) mother-in-law back in Texas, possibly in relation to Child Services investigating whether or not he had engaged in any abuse of his step-children (this investigation was dropped, by the way, and he was at least cleared of that). But: Sells was not one to pass up on an opportunity to vent his homicidal rage on a surrogate for whoever it was he deemed had "done him wrong." Just a thought.

  4. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still looking in MS View Post
    Ok, please accept my apologies as you read this, but I am unable to get the doenetwork link on this woman's death / case number to work. And, can someone please post some information about when, exactly, this happened in 1999? This has Tommy Lynn Sells written all over it, IF the dates work out. In May of '99, he strangled Haley McHone in Lexington, KY, with her own shirt, spent the night in jail on a public intoxication charge, then hopped a freight and got off in Indiana; he broke into a small office, stole a truck, and headed north. (Still in Indiana) Then he ended up in Madison, Wisconsin, where he also spent some time time in the drunk tank and a few weeks more, thanks to a fight with an inmate. He got out of jail in Madison, WI on 6/24/99 and then headed back home to Del Rio, Texas. Does anyone know if these dates work out for the death of this unfortunate woman? It is true, I should add, that by this time TLS was tending towards younger and younger victims; but it is also said in a couple of sources that he had built up quite a bit of hostility towards his (hispanic) mother-in-law back in Texas, possibly in relation to Child Services investigating whether or not he had engaged in any abuse of his step-children (this investigation was dropped, by the way, and he was at least cleared of that). But: Sells was not one to pass up on an opportunity to vent his homicidal rage on a surrogate for whoever it was he deemed had "done him wrong." Just a thought.
    Hi, this is the Doe Network link http://doenetwork.org/cases/180ufin.html

  5. #110
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    Jo Sendejas

    The date is off...allegedly missing since Dec 24, 1999...Not sure how flexible that date is..Sometimes people wait about reporting then feel guilty and don't give the right date of missing...Everything else seems to fit pretty good...Bad dental, Curly hair, Height within estimation, hoop earrings, a silver ring (pinkie), 40 yrs old...Nose, overbite, Hispanic...

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9053/0/

    Classito

  6. #111
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    yes, it is usually on the hand

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
    Actually, a local TV crew went to the FBI office when they did this, and said that their recreations are amazingly close to what they did look like! (based on cases that had been solved as a result.) So I think it may be reasonably close.

    Interesting info on the tattoo, thanks! I agree that it is most likely that no one is looking for her.

    There was a LOT of interest in her watch and possibly the other jewelery, but not real sure why. Any ideas?

    Thanks, again, for the help!!

    PS: I just a bit more research on the pachuco cross tattoo, and the hispanic gang members that wear it are supposed to tattoo it in the web of their hands between their finger and thumb, and hers was on her upper arm. And as you said, she was supposed to be white.

  7. #112
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    the tattoo doesnt link her necessarily to tx in my opinion. they are common in ca too, and translate to "mi vida loca".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Bump.

    I've read all three pages. I looked at the doenetwork webpage for her and I looked at the items found with her individually and then as a whole (context).

    gatetrekker44 talked about the ring above. It is handmade surely I agree. It is of poor quality and although not mass produce probably was rather inexpensive (IMHO).

    The watch I disagree on the value. It was probably a mass produced import. From WS member Marie http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9.../LUCKYSTAR.jpg

    A quick google search lead me to an Asian company that produces such items. Although they might have a following that collect them now? I don't know.

    The tattoo.

    In context two of those items lead me to believe that this Jane Doe was from the area in which I now reside (until next month). El Paso area of Texas (which can include Southern NM, and Juarez Mexico).

    El Chuco. El Paso is still called by the nickname "El Chuco" but the meaning has been lost over the years. Now it's just a nickname. In fact, some people I have talked to say it translates to "the dirty". Meaning EP is dirty.

    She had a tattoo that was representative of El Chuco on her shoulder. I would take that to mean that she was probably from this area or spent time in this area that was significant to her. She could easily have had that tattoo without any gang affliations. IMHO. Easily.

    When I look at the context of the items found with her it gives me the idea that she was more than likely living below the line of poverty (teeth included too) and more than likely came from this area or the surrounding areas.

    If you look at a map of where EP is, it shares a border with NM and Mexico. When I say it shares a border with NM, I could leave my home right now and travel over the Franklin Mnts (transmountain hwy) and be in NM in less than 25 mins.

    I do agree with the above poster who suggested that perhaps even though she was identified as Caucasian that her race be looked at again because Hispanic is not a race, it is an ethnicity and almost every hispanic in EP will tell you that they are caucasian of hispanic descent. I have seen hispanics that looked as caucasian as any european I have seen. JMHO.

    I do think she was a transient in IN from this area possibly. I will nose around the local LE's and see if they have anything posted on their websites for a missing person that might match her description.

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    They're pretty common in New England, where they aren't necessarily on the hand and tend to be related more to Catholic identity than to any particular ethnicity.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

  9. #114
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    Ruleouts https://identifyus.org/cases/4861

    Tina D'Ambrosio 1961 Arizona
    Parley Pate 1959 North Carolina
    Janeth Rowe 1947 Virginia
    Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
    Tiffany Sessions 1968 Florida
    Charlene Villinger 1958 Virginia
    Karen Wells 1970 Pennsylvania
    Billie Willard 1941 North Carolina

    She has dentals and DNA, and there's a mention of a congenital skeletal deformity that might be visible on chest x-rays.

    They also indicate the ring was made by jewelry maker Fred Henry.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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